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Ray of Hope - 146th Draw - PNP

Sandhu8857

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FSW candidates spend lot of time and money too, IELTS and ECA are not free and now we are banned from a system that set up different rules originally. in other words: A FRAUD. Besides, many CEC are working holiday lucky ones that are never ever better educated than FSW profiles , they can go to Canada without a peny and after being supervisor for 1 year in a Bar they get 450 points . Anyways, IRCC can do with their country whatever they want hahaha. But, the better immigration system? I dont think so....
Personally telling you, i have spent around $60,000 on my studies and all my expenses in canada in these two years, i have masters from india, i have scored 8.5,8,7.5,6.5 and working as a manager from last 1 year, after this much, i was able to score 472 points. And you MR? Your ECA and IELTS Costs $60,000? I think being a CEC, i am also not exempt from ECA or ielts. I think we being in Canada have sacrificed much more as compared to FSW candidates, have to leave everyone behind, our families, Friends, spend a whole lot of money and you are saying something against CEC assuming that CEC candidates wont say a word?
 

maplemom

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It's unfortunate that some of you here are still propagating this CEC vs FSW argument. What's so difficult to understand that in life you make your choices and live with it?

God knows that I am truly happy for the CEC applicants who are receiving their ITAs because a lot of them have been sidelined as a result of high cut-off scores but it's conceited for any CEC applicant to think that they deserve that ITA better than FSW because they have spent money getting a Canadian education and all that. No one forced you to get a Canadian education, you chose your path so stop shoving it down our throats. Some of us have education from top schools in the world and have worked with blue Chip organisations but we are not shoving it down your throats.

Take for instance, I am A FSW applicant, 32, Masters degree, 2nd year into my Ph.D, IELTS LRSW 9987 on first attempt, CRS score 462. The only reason I am on 462 is because I lost 10 points due to age and you say that I am a low quality applicant? That a CEC applicant with a lower score deserves it better than me? I got where I am without any Canadian advantage, now Imagine what my score would be if I were to go get a Canadian education and gather just a year of work experience. Anyways I am heading to 500+ because once I write my French exam and make at least a B2 across board, i will get nothing less than 42 extra points added to my CRS which will put me at 504. Take note that I started learning french from scratch(A0).

My point is, we work hard to qualify, you too work hard to qualify. To each his own, just live and let live.

As a side note, If I were to be IRCC, I would conduct draws differently for each of the streams so that no one is sidelined or forgotten. I infact believe that that's the fairest thing to do but then, it is not my call to make.
 

Aysherman

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I have a quick question.
I have worked as an English teacher for 5 years and have been paid in cash with no tax. In mu country English teachers are paid hourly and no benefits and no tax.
but I have my contract and a valid reference letter.
Is it countes as foreign experience for FSW or CEC?
 

maplemom

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I have a quick question.
I have worked as an English teacher for 5 years and have been paid in cash with no tax. In mu country English teachers are paid hourly and no benefits and no tax.
but I have my contract and a valid reference letter.
Is it countes as foreign experience for FSW or CEC?
I think it should.
 
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ZAtoCD

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Yet again a thread turns into an FSW vs CEC debate. It always amazes me how in times of stress, everyone turns against each other. Instead of supporting one another, there's just jealousy and derision. Maybe we all deserve what's happening to us across the world right now, if that's the kind of people living in this world.

Canada has maintained a mix of CEC, FSW, FST, PNP, etc. candidates since 2015 for a reason. Everyone is valuable in their own way, both to the Canadian economy, and its cultural makeup. Try not to put someone else down for the sake of pushing yourself up. That's not the kind of attitude that Canada prides itself on, so I don't think it's the kind of immigrants it wants to attract.

I am wishing the CEC applicants well, and am glad they have been drawn. At the same time, I am hoping that FSW draws resume soon.

Maybe this strategy will work: be nice, and constructive, or just don't say anything.
 

jrossi

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Personally telling you, i have spent around $60,000 on my studies and all my expenses in canada in these two years, i have masters from india, i have scored 8.5,8,7.5,6.5 and working as a manager from last 1 year, after this much, i was able to score 472 points. And you MR? Your ECA and IELTS Costs $60,000? I think being a CEC, i am also not exempt from ECA or ielts. I think we being in Canada have sacrificed much more as compared to FSW candidates, have to leave everyone behind, our families, Friends, spend a whole lot of money and you are saying something against CEC assuming that CEC candidates wont say a word?
Based on your profile, you're skilled. You got the right for an ITA not because you paid 60,000, but because you got enough points, aka 470+, therefore you're skilled.
 
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Leaving this here:

IRCC has been tweeting this response for a while now: “Hi. Recent CEC-only and PNP-only draws were meant to benefit candidates who are already in Canada with a temporary status. Processing of permanent resident applications is continuing, though it has been affected by the COVID-19 situation. We aren’t going to speculate on future rounds.”

I know this tweet is a generic response but I think this the closest to an “official” statement we’ll ever going to get.

also this: https://moving2canada.com/express-entry-draw/
“We have confirmed with a trusted legal source, who spoke directly with key staff at IRCC and the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), that IRCC is intentionally limiting Express Entry draws to CEC and PNP candidates in response to the health crisis.“
 
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jrossi

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Do FSW candidates spend $40,000 just on studies?
Students spent it because they wouldn't receive in invitation through FSW with their CRS, so they tried the expensive route to improve their score. You're implying that EE should be a program about who pays more to get their ITAs, not about who's more skilled.
 
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seadrag0n

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The best thing Canada can do right now in response to the pandemic is shut down Express Entry, give PR to PGWP holders and they would have fulfilled their immigration needs in a day. There are 500k students going to Canada to study every year and some of them must be working on work permit, just make them immigrants, problem solved. Why go through all the headache of bringing people from outside.
 
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lone_ranger

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Let's pray that we all get ITA real soon and all the people in this thread fulfill their journey of Canadian Immigration, whether it is CEC or FSW.

My heart says once this pandemic is over soon, and all of us will get ITA Insha Allah, we will be laughing how we stressed out on one another at times :)
 

bambisp

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The best thing Canada can do right now in response to the pandemic is shut down Express Entry, give PR to PGWP holders and they would have fulfilled their immigration needs in a day. There are 500k students going to Canada to study every year and some of them must be working on work permit, just make them immigrants, problem solved. Why go through all the headache of bringing people from outside.
i agree when it comes to shutting down express entry altogether and processing the pending applications rather than only inviting CEC applicants for the mere sake of fairness!
 
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jrossi

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Take for instance, I am A FSW applicant, 32, Masters degree, 2nd year into my Ph.D, IELTS LRSW 9987 on first attempt, CRS score 462. The only reason I am on 462 is because I lost 10 points due to age and you say that I am a low quality applicant? That a CEC applicant with a lower score deserves it better than me? I got where I am without any Canadian advantage, now Imagine what my score would be if I were to go get a Canadian education and gather just a year of work experience. Anyways I am heading to 500+ because once I write my French exam and make at least a B2 across board, i will get nothing less than 42 extra points added to my CRS which will put me at 504. Take note that I started learning french from scratch(A0).
I'm on the same boat as you are. If I can give you an advice: have you thought about trying to attempt TCF/TEF to get "just enough points"? I mean, you might not need a B2 in all skills. Most people achieve C1 on CO and CE before they achieve B2 on EO/EE.
Take my example:

30 yrs old, 2 Engineer Degrees, IELTS (9, 8.5, 7.5, 7.5) on first attempt as well, and 6-yrs of professional experience: 469 (would be 474 if I had 29 yr).
Around December I started learning french as well... On March 9th I did my TCF Canada test, and got 505 for CO & 502 for CE (which means CLB8 for both skills), which gave me 6+ extra points. That's what happened with less than 4 months of studies!
That TCF result was just enough to increase my CRS to 475. If I had got 525/524 on CE/CO, I would got CLB9, and would have 481 right now! Now, notice: I got Z-E-R-O points for EO/EE. Zero.

If it wouldn't be for the COVID-19, I would have my ITA now.
And... on June 6th I'll lose 5 points (birthday), and will go back to 470 (which I don't think will be enough for FSW once the regular draws are brought back). But, I'm not scared. I continue to study french every single day, and I'll attempt TCF again once the test returns to its normal schedule. I'll get CLB9 in both CE/CO and possibly a CLB5 on EO, which will allow me to return do 477.
Also, achieving a high level of french might be a great way to start a career within the Canadian Government. Outside of Quebec, less than 16% of Canadians speak both English and French, if you can do it, I believe employers will value that.
 

maplemom

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LOL, you already got a degree in exchange for those $60,000. You and all the other CEC applicants should stop arguing that Canada or anyone else owes you something in return for the amount of money you have spent on your studies. You already got what you paid for, everything else is a bonus and not a right.

PS: That's not particularly directed at you, but going by this forum that is how most CEC candidates think. And a lot of FSW applicants as well. Just because we've spent a lot of money doesn't mean we deserve anything in return. That's not how this system works. It's called a "draw" for a reason.



Now there is someone who deserves her invitation. Young, smart and most importantly, determined, Canada would be lucky if every applicant were as gifted as you. Your post makes me wish that IRCC would require B2 in French in addition to the current requirements in English, just to weed out the lazy applicants. Even for CEC, you paid 100k for a Canadian degree, so what? Learn French from scratch to prove you really want to come to Canada and didn't just choose it because it's easier than immigrating to the US and has public healthcare
Thanks for the compliments @fsw_hk. one thing I believe is that if you really want something, you go all out to get it. I am really thankful that I took that leap to learn french, I am enjoying it thoroughly and it has opened up a whole new world of opportunities for me. If it so happens that I get ITA when FSW draws resume, I will still continue learning it.
 
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Aysherman

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Hi friends. I was once rejected under FSW for incompleteness missing police certificate.
My manager for the experience I had in my home country wants to make some changes to my letter of reference.
My question is does the officer check mu previous work letter for my old rejected file and see the differences?