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Some eligibility period time I was in my home country before moving to Canada.

Das67

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Hello everyone,

I am using the online calculator to confirm if I am eligible to apply for citizenship which I am now. My eligibility period is 02 May 2015-02 May 2020, I landed in Canada on 19 March 2016 and become a protected person on 23 June 2016 then PR on 13 March 2018. I am confused on one point and would like some opinions just to make sure I am not doing anything wrong, on the question did you travel outside Canada during your eligibility period ( 02 may 2015-02 May 2020) on the online calculator I said no. Since 19 March 2016, I did not travel outside Canada and from 02 May 2015 to 18 March 2016, I was in my home country before I directly travel and live in Canada until today. The calculator is showing me that time spent outside is zero. My question is, am I doing this correctly? I also tried to change my answer to Yes and put time spent outside Canada ( 2 May 2015-18 March 2016 ) the calculator still showing me total time spent outside is zero.
What do you guys think?

Thank you!
 

hawk39

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I believe the eligibility period for citizenship begins on the day you acquire PR status (which would be March 13, 2018), and since the residency obligation is 1095 days or 3 years, I don't think you are eligible for citizenship until March 13, 2021, assuming that you have not left Canada since become a PR, or can count days outside of Canada under one of the exceptions.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/application-canadian-citizenship-adults.html

"To be eligible under 5(1), since becoming a permanent resident, you must have:
  1. been physically in Canada for at least 1,095 days in the five years before you apply
  2. filed income taxes (if required by the Income Tax Act) for any three taxation years that are fully or partially within the five years before you apply"
 

Das67

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I believe the eligibility period for citizenship begins on the day you acquire PR status (which would be March 13, 2018), and since the residency obligation is 1095 days or 3 years, I don't think you are eligible for citizenship until March 13, 2021, assuming that you have not left Canada since become a PR, or can count days outside of Canada under one of the exceptions.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/application-canadian-citizenship-adults.html

"To be eligible under 5(1), since becoming a permanent resident, you must have:
  1. been physically in Canada for at least 1,095 days in the five years before you apply
  2. filed income taxes (if required by the Income Tax Act) for any three taxation years that are fully or partially within the five years before you apply"
You are wrong on one point "since becoming a permanent resident, you must have " 1095 days is your temporary resident plus your PR time or just PR time depend on the case. I am eligible, it's also said you can count the day you spent in Canada as a temporary resident as half. Since being a protected person is counted as a temporary resident started from 23 Jun 2016 to 12 March 2018 gave me 314 days in Canada. I checked the online calculator today I have 1095 days. 314 days as a temporary resident and the rest as a permanent resident.
 

Das67

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You are wrong on one point "since becoming a permanent resident, you must have " 1095 days is your temporary resident plus your PR time or just PR time depend on the case. I am eligible, it's also said you can count the day you spent in Canada as a temporary resident as half. Since being a protected person is counted as a temporary resident started from 23 Jun 2016 to 12 March 2018 gave me 314 days in Canada. I checked the online calculator today I have 1095 days. 314 days as a temporary resident and the rest as a permanent resident.
One more thing eligibility does not start from the date you acquire your PR, the eligibility period is 5 years back from the date your suppose to apply, let say if I want to apply today my eligibility period will be 2may-2015/2may-2020. during this time I was a temporary resident from 23 june 2016 to 12 march 2018, then PR for the rest of time.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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Hello everyone,

I am using the online calculator to confirm if I am eligible to apply for citizenship which I am now. My eligibility period is 02 May 2015-02 May 2020, I landed in Canada on 19 March 2016 and become a protected person on 23 June 2016 then PR on 13 March 2018. I am confused on one point and would like some opinions just to make sure I am not doing anything wrong, on the question did you travel outside Canada during your eligibility period ( 02 may 2015-02 May 2020) on the online calculator I said no. Since 19 March 2016, I did not travel outside Canada and from 02 May 2015 to 18 March 2016, I was in my home country before I directly travel and live in Canada until today. The calculator is showing me that time spent outside is zero. My question is, am I doing this correctly? I also tried to change my answer to Yes and put time spent outside Canada ( 2 May 2015-18 March 2016 ) the calculator still showing me total time spent outside is zero.
What do you guys think?

Thank you!
You are correct about the response posted by @hawk39 . . . no need to wander into the weeds regarding this.

In particular, nonetheless, you are correct that the eligibility period is the five years preceding the date you sign the application, which should correspond to the date you complete the online presence calculation. And of course this means you need to account, in the application, for things like work and address history covering the full five year eligibility period.

Terminology clarification: In this forum, and in most discussions related to Canadian immigration, the term "landed" is used to specifically refer to the final step in becoming a Permanent Resident. Thus, the date you "landed" in Canada would be 13 March 2018. This is, of course, a very important date for many purposes. The terminology is not important, in itself, but it helps to avoid confusion.

I am not sure what is going on with how you fill in the information in the online physical presence calculator. I suspect it has to do with how you have gone about entering the "trip" outside Canada information for the period prior to the date of your first arrival (which you refer to as the date you "landed") in Canada, 19 March 2016.

Apart from the output of the presence calculation, referencing the number of days present and days absent, does the list of absences in the printout show you outside Canada 2 May 2015 to 18 March 2016? (Note: if you actually arrived in Canada 19 March 2016, the dates for the trip should be entered 2 May 2015 to 19 March 2016, not "to 18 March 2016." The from and to dates are date of exit and date of return/arrival, not just dates "absent." The online calculator automatically counts the date of arrival/return as a day IN Canada, not a day absent.)

If your print output shows the time outside Canada, prior to your arrival in Canada, in the list of absences, you for sure should be OK even if in the output it does not show a number of days absent (so long as there is a proper number of days present showing). Even if the calculator print output does not show either the absence itself (in list of absences) or any days "absent" in the calculation, as long as it is showing the correct totals for half-day credits (for days between becoming a protected person and the date you landed as a PR) plus the correct total of full-day credits (for days after you landed, that is after you became a PR), you should be OK.

In particular, it has been awhile since I ran some hypothetical scenarios through the online presence calculator, BUT as I recall, many if not most forum participants suggest NOT trying to force the calculator to include days prior to the applicant's FIRST ARRIVAL in Canada even though they are within the five year eligibility period, since the calculator requires a date of exit (last I tried) for the output to include a time period outside Canada.

The MOST important thing is to be sure the calculator is properly identifying the dates you have been present in Canada. And in doing so, is properly showing those after the date of landing (date you became a PR) and those during which you had protected person status prior to landing.

You are otherwise providing all the relevant information, including your address and activity history going back the full five years, and including the time period between the date of your first arrival in Canada and the date you obtained protected person status (for which, if properly done, the presence calculator should show ZERO credit toward days present in Canada). So the fact that the calculator output does not list days "absent" is not particularly significant . . . again, so long as it is properly showing dates present.

To be sure, you can do a completely separate calculation using the online calculator. Should be easy for you since you have no trips outside Canada to report, other than being outside Canada prior to your first arrival in March 2016.

In any event, probably no reason to worry at all if the calculator output does not reference an absence prior to your first arrival. Again, so long as it properly references the dates for which you get the half-day credit (June 2016 to March 2018) and for which you get the full-day credit (March 2018 to date of application).

NOTE: Probably prudent to wait to apply for about another month. Waiting longer to apply can often lead to actually taking the oath sooner. Especially given recent events and the almost certain slowdown in citizenship application processing that is likely to continue for some time. A solid buffer over the minimum will not guarantee you avoid non-routine processing, but in many cases it can make the difference. And, in the coming year or two, the difference in timelines for applications routinely processed versus those involving non-routine processing is likely to be much bigger than it usually is. That is, a solid buffer (having 1125 plus days credit) is a good idea in the best of times, but is likely to be an even bigger factor for the next year or two.
 

Das67

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Oct 19, 2019
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You are correct about the response posted by @hawk39 . . . no need to wander into the weeds regarding this.

In particular, nonetheless, you are correct that the eligibility period is the five years preceding the date you sign the application, which should correspond to the date you complete the online presence calculation. And of course this means you need to account, in the application, for things like work and address history covering the full five year eligibility period.

Terminology clarification: In this forum, and in most discussions related to Canadian immigration, the term "landed" is used to specifically refer to the final step in becoming a Permanent Resident. Thus, the date you "landed" in Canada would be 13 March 2018. This is, of course, a very important date for many purposes. The terminology is not important, in itself, but it helps to avoid confusion.

I am not sure what is going on with how you fill in the information in the online physical presence calculator. I suspect it has to do with how you have gone about entering the "trip" outside Canada information for the period prior to the date of your first arrival (which you refer to as the date you "landed") in Canada, 19 March 2016.

Apart from the output of the presence calculation, referencing the number of days present and days absent, does the list of absences in the printout show you outside Canada 2 May 2015 to 18 March 2016? (Note: if you actually arrived in Canada 19 March 2016, the dates for the trip should be entered 2 May 2015 to 19 March 2016, not "to 18 March 2016." The from and to dates are date of exit and date of return/arrival, not just dates "absent." The online calculator automatically counts the date of arrival/return as a day IN Canada, not a day absent.)

If your print output shows the time outside Canada, prior to your arrival in Canada, in the list of absences, you for sure should be OK even if in the output it does not show a number of days absent (so long as there is a proper number of days present showing). Even if the calculator print output does not show either the absence itself (in list of absences) or any days "absent" in the calculation, as long as it is showing the correct totals for half-day credits (for days between becoming a protected person and the date you landed as a PR) plus the correct total of full-day credits (for days after you landed, that is after you became a PR), you should be OK.

In particular, it has been awhile since I ran some hypothetical scenarios through the online presence calculator, BUT as I recall, many if not most forum participants suggest NOT trying to force the calculator to include days prior to the applicant's FIRST ARRIVAL in Canada even though they are within the five year eligibility period, since the calculator requires a date of exit (last I tried) for the output to include a time period outside Canada.

The MOST important thing is to be sure the calculator is properly identifying the dates you have been present in Canada. And in doing so, is properly showing those after the date of landing (date you became a PR) and those during which you had protected person status prior to landing.

You are otherwise providing all the relevant information, including your address and activity history going back the full five years, and including the time period between the date of your first arrival in Canada and the date you obtained protected person status (for which, if properly done, the presence calculator should show ZERO credit toward days present in Canada). So the fact that the calculator output does not list days "absent" is not particularly significant . . . again, so long as it is properly showing dates present.

To be sure, you can do a completely separate calculation using the online calculator. Should be easy for you since you have no trips outside Canada to report, other than being outside Canada prior to your first arrival in March 2016.

In any event, probably no reason to worry at all if the calculator output does not reference an absence prior to your first arrival. Again, so long as it properly references the dates for which you get the half-day credit (June 2016 to March 2018) and for which you get the full-day credit (March 2018 to date of application).

NOTE: Probably prudent to wait to apply for about another month. Waiting longer to apply can often lead to actually taking the oath sooner. Especially given recent events and the almost certain slowdown in citizenship application processing that is likely to continue for some time. A solid buffer over the minimum will not guarantee you avoid non-routine processing, but in many cases, it can make the difference. And, in the coming year or two, the difference in timelines for applications routinely processed versus those involving non-routine processing is likely to be much bigger than it usually is. That is, a solid buffer (having 1125 plus days credit) is a good idea in the best of times, but is likely to be an even bigger factor for the next year or two.
Thank you for your reply, yes I will wait for one more month before I apply to be in the safe part. This is what I did :
Date to apply :
2020-05-02
date obtained PR :
2018-03-13
date as a protected person ( temporary status):
2016-06-23 to 2018-03-12
time spent outside :
none ( I did not put the time before arriving in Canada, may2015-march2016 as time spent outside).
The calculator shows that I have 1095 days in Canada during my eligibility period ( May 2015-May2020)

Do you think the way I used the calculator is ok?

Thank you again!
 

Das67

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Oct 19, 2019
967
560
You are correct about the response posted by @hawk39 . . . no need to wander into the weeds regarding this.

In particular, nonetheless, you are correct that the eligibility period is the five years preceding the date you sign the application, which should correspond to the date you complete the online presence calculation. And of course this means you need to account, in the application, for things like work and address history covering the full five year eligibility period.

Terminology clarification: In this forum, and in most discussions related to Canadian immigration, the term "landed" is used to specifically refer to the final step in becoming a Permanent Resident. Thus, the date you "landed" in Canada would be 13 March 2018. This is, of course, a very important date for many purposes. The terminology is not important, in itself, but it helps to avoid confusion.

I am not sure what is going on with how you fill in the information in the online physical presence calculator. I suspect it has to do with how you have gone about entering the "trip" outside Canada information for the period prior to the date of your first arrival (which you refer to as the date you "landed") in Canada, 19 March 2016.

Apart from the output of the presence calculation, referencing the number of days present and days absent, does the list of absences in the printout show you outside Canada 2 May 2015 to 18 March 2016? (Note: if you actually arrived in Canada 19 March 2016, the dates for the trip should be entered 2 May 2015 to 19 March 2016, not "to 18 March 2016." The from and to dates are date of exit and date of return/arrival, not just dates "absent." The online calculator automatically counts the date of arrival/return as a day IN Canada, not a day absent.)

If your print output shows the time outside Canada, prior to your arrival in Canada, in the list of absences, you for sure should be OK even if in the output it does not show a number of days absent (so long as there is a proper number of days present showing). Even if the calculator print output does not show either the absence itself (in list of absences) or any days "absent" in the calculation, as long as it is showing the correct totals for half-day credits (for days between becoming a protected person and the date you landed as a PR) plus the correct total of full-day credits (for days after you landed, that is after you became a PR), you should be OK.

In particular, it has been awhile since I ran some hypothetical scenarios through the online presence calculator, BUT as I recall, many if not most forum participants suggest NOT trying to force the calculator to include days prior to the applicant's FIRST ARRIVAL in Canada even though they are within the five year eligibility period, since the calculator requires a date of exit (last I tried) for the output to include a time period outside Canada.

The MOST important thing is to be sure the calculator is properly identifying the dates you have been present in Canada. And in doing so, is properly showing those after the date of landing (date you became a PR) and those during which you had protected person status prior to landing.

You are otherwise providing all the relevant information, including your address and activity history going back the full five years, and including the time period between the date of your first arrival in Canada and the date you obtained protected person status (for which, if properly done, the presence calculator should show ZERO credit toward days present in Canada). So the fact that the calculator output does not list days "absent" is not particularly significant . . . again, so long as it is properly showing dates present.

To be sure, you can do a completely separate calculation using the online calculator. Should be easy for you since you have no trips outside Canada to report, other than being outside Canada prior to your first arrival in March 2016.

In any event, probably no reason to worry at all if the calculator output does not reference an absence prior to your first arrival. Again, so long as it properly references the dates for which you get the half-day credit (June 2016 to March 2018) and for which you get the full-day credit (March 2018 to date of application).

NOTE: Probably prudent to wait to apply for about another month. Waiting longer to apply can often lead to actually taking the oath sooner. Especially given recent events and the almost certain slowdown in citizenship application processing that is likely to continue for some time. A solid buffer over the minimum will not guarantee you avoid non-routine processing, but in many cases it can make the difference. And, in the coming year or two, the difference in timelines for applications routinely processed versus those involving non-routine processing is likely to be much bigger than it usually is. That is, a solid buffer (having 1125 plus days credit) is a good idea in the best of times, but is likely to be an even bigger factor for the next year or two.
does the list of absences in the printout show you outside Canada 2 May 2015 to 18 March 2016? (Note: if you actually arrived in Canada 19 March 2016, the dates for the trip should be entered 2 May 2015 to 19 March 2016, not "to 18 March 2016." The from and to dates are the date of exit and date of return/arrival, not just dates "absent." The online calculator automatically counts the date of arrival/return as a day IN Canada, not a day absent.)
To answer your question I ran a different simulation and used the dates you mentioned above and my absence in the printout show zero.
 

dpenabill

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You might want to check back here later to see if anyone else, such as someone who has been running hypothetical scenarios in the calculator, has an explanation. It can sometimes take a day or three to get a response.

If you follow the instructions as best you can, entering the proper information accurately, and as noted before the output CORRECTLY shows you present in Canada the dates (and only the dates) you have actually been in Canada, thus showing a number of days credit for the period you were a protected person, and a number of days credit for the period since you became a PR, and those totals are as accurate as you can discern, that should be OK.

I did a hypothetical/simulation. The question about absences specifically asks "did you leave . . . " and in your case this is easy, since you never left. So "no" is the correct response. The output looks good.

As I mentioned before, this is consistent with what many forum participants have suggested; that is, NOT including trip information for the time prior to first date in Canada with status (for you that would be 23 June 2016). And if that was the only time outside Canada, to respond "no" to the question about leaving Canada. And, of course you did not "leave" Canada. And again, the output looks good.

I also ran a hypothetical using your dates, entering one absence, entering a "exit date" as 02 May 2015 (even though technically you did not actually exit Canada that day) and return date as 19 March 2016, and the output did list the trip but listed it as zero days. This just confirms the way the calculator works and simply does not count days prior to the applicant's first day with status in Canada.

The main thing, again, is that it listed the correct totals for days in Canada, 628 days for 314 days credit as a protected person, and 781 days as a PR; total 1095. Wait a month. Do it again and apply.
 
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rajkamalmohanram

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The dates you must enter are the actual dates you entered and exited the country. If you exited Canada on 18 July 2019 and re-entered on 12 September 2019, you must enter the SAME dates (18 July and 12 September) in the physical presence calculator. (NOT 17th or 19th JULY and NOT 11th or 13th September)

The physical presence calculator is programmed to automatically include the day you exited and the day you entered into Canada. If you enter a date other than the exact date you entered or exited, you'll end up with an incorrect number of days for physical presence.