Ray of Hope - 145th Draw - CEC

[Timbuktu_14]

So, there are people with 92 CRS in the pool? Because PNP gives you 600 points on top of what you've got.

Interesting times.

 

[taurus22]

so how are those CEC guys unqualified, I never implied it was about money, i was pointing out that equality isnt fairness. the additional points isnt an advantage, its common sense.

CEC guys are getting double benefits at this time and It should be either one of those things:
1. Additional points for Canadian experience, OR
2. CEC-only draws with lower thresh holds

It's not just about investing money in Canada for education, as IRCC is not selling ITAs here to those who invested the most. Even if it were the case, people with higher education, more work experience (and higher points) will likely earn more and eventually pay more taxes and benefit the economy for a much longer period.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

CEC guys are getting double benefits at this time and It should be either one of those things:
1. Additional points for Canadian experience, OR
2. CEC-only draws with lower thresh holds

It's not just about investing money in Canada for education, as IRCC is not selling ITAs here to those who invested the most. Even if it were the case, people with higher education, more work experience (and higher points) will likely earn more and eventually pay more taxes and benefit the economy for a much longer period.

i like how FSWs think they are more economically valuable to the Canadian economy when it's that smugness that keeps them unemployed for 3 months when they finally realize their expectations of getting employed in their prior field isn't going to work out and that they need to take survival jobs. Wake up and smell the coffee. Your degrees and experience doesn't count for much.

 

[Murtuza90]

i like how FSWs think they are more economically valuable to the Canadian economy when it's that smugness that keeps them unemployed for 3 months when they finally realize their expectations of getting employed in their prior field isn't going to work out and that they need to take survival jobs. Wake up and smell the coffee. Your degrees and experience doesn't count for much.

Bang on...

 

[Dami90]

CEC guys are getting double benefits at this time and It should be either one of those things:
1. Additional points for Canadian experience, OR
2. CEC-only draws with lower thresh holds

It's not just about investing money in Canada for education, as IRCC is not selling ITAs here to those who invested the most. Even if it were the case, people with higher education, more work experience (and higher points) will likely earn more and eventually pay more taxes and benefit the economy for a much longer period.

It sincerely saddens me to see some people enjoying others' pain and shattered dreams. Reading comments like "suck it up FSWs", or "these FSWs will cry more", wonder what kind of people is IRCC inviting. Education is not just about points, it's also about morals and ethics, which a lot of people here clearly lack. What a shame!

No one is enjoying anyone's pain, you are obviously missing the point, there is a pandemic, IRCC is doing the best they can, no one can question them if they decide to suspend immigration, so stop this they are against you mentality, Once things normalize, regular draws will begin, People are dying, quit been selfish,Be patient. No one is been favored, If you cant see that, then am sorry. Life happens sometimes.n I never said its about money, sorry if you cant comprehend my posts.

 

[Islander216]

so what about integration? CEC means you are already integrated in Canada so its common sense you get preference over newcomers, we use this in our daily lives, we give preferential treatments to friends and family in a case where ALL IS QUALIFIED. I never implied it was about money, i was pointing out that equality isnt fairness. the additional points isnt an advantage, its common sense. For example, the person with the best qualification doesnt always get the job, other factors come into play, so having more experience and higher points doesnt make you superior to those with less, there are other factors to consider

I agree, i do. But like anything else it's about balance, both inland and outland applicants have to receive their chance to compete for a place, and ideally immigration should be comprised of both types. When you have CEC only draws, it just means you're not letting people who should be allowed to compete a chance to qualify as well. I think it's the same if there were FSW only draws as well.

You do receive an advantage in terms of additional points you get for Canadian education and work experience, significant bonuses which give CECs a leg up over people with the same level of foreign qualifications and work experience. I don't think it should mean CECs get preference over FSWs who have higher qualifications and more experience.

I think there are enough places for both, i just don't believe in segregating the pool and only allowing draws for one type of applicant, unless it is offset by doing the same for others. Let everyone compete.

 

[Murtuza90]

CEC guys are getting double benefits at this time and It should be either one of those things:
1. Additional points for Canadian experience, OR
2. CEC-only draws with lower thresh holds

It's not just about investing money in Canada for education, as IRCC is not selling ITAs here to those who invested the most. Even if it were the case, people with higher education, more work experience (and higher points) will likely earn more and eventually pay more taxes and benefit the economy for a much longer period.

Just imagine how Much pain it was for us to see high score and scattered our dreams

 

[taurus22]

i like how FSWs think they are more economically valuable to the Canadian economy when it's that smugness that keeps them unemployed for 3 months when they finally realize their expectations of getting employed in their prior field isn't going to work out and that they need to take survival jobs. Wake up and smell the coffee. Your degrees and experience doesn't count for much.

Nobody said FSWs are more economically valuable. I said people with higher points are more valuable in the long run, that's why IRCC gives them higher points. But If you equate higher point candidates to FSWs in your mind, then you have a serious inferiority complex.

A merit based system is what is needed, doesn't matter if its CEC or FSW candidates. Sure, Canadian integration is important but 1) CEC candidates already get points for integration / local experience. If you think thats not enough, maybe IRCC should increase the points awarded for Canadian experience 2) The foreigners will also be equally integrated in 1 or 2 years after arriving. 3) Some people are already from very similar cultures to Canada and are probably more aligned to the local culture than the ones who've spent 2 years in the country and act like they are the custodians on Canadian culture.

 

[Dami90]

I agree, i do. But like anything else it's about balance, both inland and outland applicants have to receive their chance to compete for a place, and ideally immigration should be comprised of both types. When you have CEC only draws, it just means you're not letting people who should be allowed to compete a chance to qualify as well. I think it's the same if there were FSW only draws as well.

You do receive an advantage in terms of additional points you get for Canadian education and work experience, significant bonuses which give CECs a leg up over people with the same level of foreign qualifications and work experience. I don't think it should mean CECs get preference over FSWs who have higher qualifications and more experience.

I think there are enough places for both, i just don't believe segregating the pool and only allowing draws for one type of applicant, unless it is offset by doing the same for others. Let everyone compete.

but there is a reason for the CEC and PNP only draws and there is a reason IRCC chose to do it this way, do you think they wouldn't have met to discuss their options. They decide what is best for them, not YOU or ME

 

[Dami90]

I agree, i do. But like anything else it's about balance, both inland and outland applicants have to receive their chance to compete for a place, and ideally immigration should be comprised of both types. When you have CEC only draws, it just means you're not letting people who should be allowed to compete a chance to qualify as well. I think it's the same if there were FSW only draws as well.

You do receive an advantage in terms of additional points you get for Canadian education and work experience, significant bonuses which give CECs a leg up over people with the same level of foreign qualifications and work experience. I don't think it should mean CECs get preference over FSWs who have higher qualifications and more experience.

I think there are enough places for both, i just don't believe segregating the pool and only allowing draws for one type of applicant, unless it is offset by doing the same for others. Let everyone compete.

Again the additional points is basic common sense. equality and equity are two different things. no one in their right mind treat everyone the same, you treat people according to their worth

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

To be honest, I don't why we are talking about this. It's not like our discussion here is going to have an impact on what actually happens with IRCC. My advice is stop wasting your time here and be more productive with your time, which I am also guilty of not doing. Good day, ladies and gents.

 

[Dami90]

Nobody said FSWs are more economically valuable. I said people with higher points are more valuable in the long run, that's why IRCC gives them higher points. But If you equate higher point candidates to FSWs in your mind, then you have a serious inferiority complex.

A merit based system is what is needed, doesn't matter if its CEC or FSW candidates. Sure, Canadian integration is important but 1) CEC candidates already get points for integration / local experience. If you think thats not enough, maybe IRCC should increase the points awarded for Canadian experience 2) The foreigners will also be equally integrated in 1 or 2 years after arriving. 3) Some people are already from very similar cultures to Canada and are probably more aligned to the local culture than the ones who've spent 2 years in the country and act like they are the custodians on Canadian culture.

Again, there is a pandemic, no one is saying one stream is better, this is ircc way of responding to an unsual situation. I have no interest in the general debate, I am only saying we are in an abnormal time, so there will be abnormal changes

 

[Islander216]

but there is a reason for the CEC and PNP only draws and there is a reason IRCC chose to do it this way, do you think they wouldn't have met to discuss their options. They decide what is best for them, not YOU or ME

Sure, but it's pretty clear that it's because of the pandemic and they are waiting for lockdowns to lift in key countries where people will receive most ITAs for FSWs.

 

[indianstudent96]

This discussion is useless. CEC and PNP draws are happening only due to the pandemic. It does not mean IRCC prefers CEC and PNP over FSW. They are slowly lifting restrictions in a few provinces and as other countries follow the suit, IRCC will be able to do FSW draws. FSW applications are processed in country-specific visa offices. With most visa offices closed, they technically can't do a draw because it will just generate a huge backlog which might increase the processing time to more than a year.

 

[Igethope]

Calm down guys no need to argue. You are all valuable, FSW turn will soon come. I feel that once CEC Crs gets to 450, they will stop and start general draw or when things ease down a bit. After all they can delay their applications till Dec-January. I honestly feel bad for those loosing points due to age. Imagine 474 back 469, 472 back 467. Hold on and be strong guys