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vishal128901

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Nov 21, 2017
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Mr. Vishal,
Job letter is one of the leading causes of rejection.
Bur RELAX, I have a good news for you.. You are not getting rejected anytime soon.

First what you need to do is to check your job letters, and why they don't match to 2173.. mind sharing here?

Also, do remember this, if one or two lines of your overall job duties match to 2173 then its ok. Its not 70-80% match. One of my friend who got PR last year had just one line that matched to 2172.. he was actually a web developer... but cic doesn't know which duty is your main one.. you can have 10 duties, but one of them could be the main one, right..

so just share your duties here and let us help you..

If you don't wanna share then do this, ask a colleague to send you a new letter with duties matching to 2173 completely..
also attach their current business card copy/employee card copy also.
then raise a webform and request for replacing existing documents.
When u raised GCMS.... I ordered mine 2 months before but doesn’t get any reply till now
It took a month for me.
 
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vishal128901

Star Member
Nov 21, 2017
82
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Don't try to overcompensate... try another colleague and say in letter of explanation that this was a person I worked more closely.
if using the same colleague for a new letter I am not sure how you would explain the difference.. if you can draft an amazing story in a few words then great.. else they would think you are a crook. I would not do...

Notary.......it will give you a good feeling.... thats all....

for God sake don't copy duties from 2173.. don't try to replace a few words with synonyms.. don't assume cic guys to be dumb, but they are not detectives.. make it simpler for them..

I fu...d up my application by adding soooo many details,.. and now I am in review required..
therefore...keep things as simple as you can... don't create a doubt in their mind..

Now before you take a hasty decision I think it would be in your benefit to show some details from gcms, loop in a brilliant guy called legalfalcon... he is a good man... he will help..
@thomas3456
Here are the experience letters I submitted. Experience letter 1 is for my last job (1.8 yrs) while experience letter 2 is for my job before that (6 yrs).

Also tagging @legalfalcon and @overnight if they have time
Exp1

Exp2

I would be really obliged if you can give me some pointers.
I have mentioned both jobs as 2173.
GCMS says for both experience: "Job description consistent with lead statement and main duties of declared NOC: No"
 
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Ctv92

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Jul 11, 2019
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@thomas3456
Here are the experience letters I submitted. Experience letter 1 is for my last job (1.8 yrs) while experience letter 2 is for my job before that (6 yrs).

Also tagging @legalfalcon and @overnight if they have time
Exp1

Exp2

I would be really obliged if you can give me some pointers.
I have mentioned both jobs as 2173.
GCMS says for both experience: "Job description consistent with lead statement and main duties of declared NOC: No"
Did a quick glimpse. I’ll look at box specific roles but Noticed no salary, one didn’t have hours/week either. That stuff to can be reason they don’t accept. See below:

Proof of work experience
Purpose
To prove each work experience claim and to validate that the applicant meets program requirements
Document requirements
  • The personalized document checklist in applicants’ online account prompts the applicant with an upload field for each work experience declared.
  • At the completeness check, the processing office determines only whether the required documents are included. The validity or fraudulence of the information is assessed only if and when the application is placed into processing.
The following documents are mandatory for each work experience declared:
  • a reference or experience letter from the employer, which
    • should be an official document printed on company letterhead (must include the applicant’s name, the company’s contact information [address, telephone number and email address], and the name, title and signature of the immediate supervisor or personnel officer at the company),
    • should indicate all positions held while employed at the company and must include the following details: job title, duties and responsibilities, job status (if current job), dates worked for the company, number of work hours per week and annual salary plus benefits; and
  • if the applicant is self-employed, articles of incorporation or other evidence of business ownership, evidence of self-employment income and documentation from third-party individuals indicating the service provided along with payment details (self-declared main duties or affidavits are not acceptable proof of self-employed work experience).
If the work experience is in Canada, proof may include copies of T4 tax information slips and notices of assessment issued by the Canada Revenue Agency (the time period for these documents should reflect the work experience timeframe [e.g., work experience from 2006 to 2008 requires only documents from those calendar years]).
Individuals who must submit this documentation
  • The principal applicant
  • Their spouse or common-law partner (if work experience in Canada is claimed)
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/express-entry/applications-received-on-after-january-1-2016-completeness-check.html#s04
 

vishal128901

Star Member
Nov 21, 2017
82
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Did a quick glimpse. I’ll look at box specific roles but Noticed no salary, one didn’t have hours/week either. That stuff to can be reason they don’t accept. See below:

Proof of work experience
Purpose
To prove each work experience claim and to validate that the applicant meets program requirements
Document requirements
  • The personalized document checklist in applicants’ online account prompts the applicant with an upload field for each work experience declared.
  • At the completeness check, the processing office determines only whether the required documents are included. The validity or fraudulence of the information is assessed only if and when the application is placed into processing.
The following documents are mandatory for each work experience declared:
  • a reference or experience letter from the employer, which
    • should be an official document printed on company letterhead (must include the applicant’s name, the company’s contact information [address, telephone number and email address], and the name, title and signature of the immediate supervisor or personnel officer at the company),
    • should indicate all positions held while employed at the company and must include the following details: job title, duties and responsibilities, job status (if current job), dates worked for the company, number of work hours per week and annual salary plus benefits; and
  • if the applicant is self-employed, articles of incorporation or other evidence of business ownership, evidence of self-employment income and documentation from third-party individuals indicating the service provided along with payment details (self-declared main duties or affidavits are not acceptable proof of self-employed work experience).
If the work experience is in Canada, proof may include copies of T4 tax information slips and notices of assessment issued by the Canada Revenue Agency (the time period for these documents should reflect the work experience timeframe [e.g., work experience from 2006 to 2008 requires only documents from those calendar years]).
Individuals who must submit this documentation
  • The principal applicant
  • Their spouse or common-law partner (if work experience in Canada is claimed)
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/express-entry/applications-received-on-after-january-1-2016-completeness-check.html#s04
Thanks for taking a look and sorry I should have mentioned this earlier - these letters were submitted along with paystubs, offer letter, experience letter on company letterhead head that just described the start and end dates and the salary.
 

thomas3456

Star Member
Mar 6, 2020
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Toronto
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Montreal
NOC Code......
2174
App. Filed.......
02-10-2019
AOR Received.
02-10-2019
Thanks for taking a look and sorry I should have mentioned this earlier - these letters were submitted along with paystubs, offer letter, experience letter on company letterhead head that just described the start and end dates and the salary.
Vishal its very hard to tell you what is wrong with the job letters.
Just think from CIC analyst's perspective. you had two postings in the same company. 2 different roles.. with no dates to specify which role started when.
Then the 2 job duties look so different... I am talking about the 6 year exp.

As per my experience the lower level CIC analysts focus a lot on the job duties letters... your other proofs are marked under review required and are passed to a senior.. This then takes 3-4 months additional... if you want to make it quick, ask another colleague to give you a job letter with exactly what cic needs..
Your case is probably now in the hands of a senior immigration officer..
 

vishal128901

Star Member
Nov 21, 2017
82
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Vishal its very hard to tell you what is wrong with the job letters.
Just think from CIC analyst's perspective. you had two postings in the same company. 2 different roles.. with no dates to specify which role started when.
Then the 2 job duties look so different... I am talking about the 6 year exp.

As per my experience the lower level CIC analysts focus a lot on the job duties letters... your other proofs are marked under review required and are passed to a senior.. This then takes 3-4 months additional... if you want to make it quick, ask another colleague to give you a job letter with exactly what cic needs..
Your case is probably now in the hands of a senior immigration officer..
thanks. I plan on getting a new letter from a colleague that still works there. Can I share with you that experience letter?
 

Ctv92

Hero Member
Jul 11, 2019
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thanks. I plan on getting a new letter from a colleague that still works there. Can I share with you that experience letter?
If you do that, make it readable for a layman. And make sure it has all the PT’s outlined in their completeness check I posted above. Good luck!
 

Sai Santhosh

Full Member
Jan 5, 2020
33
3
Hi ,

my aor september 19th, CEC Inland - Edmonton VISA office. Medical passed Oct 10 No updates since then. It already crossed 6 months. So, I raised a webform few days back, got a below response from IRCC. Is it helpful to get to know status by following information ?


Thank you for contacting Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC).

We verified the information you provided and can confirm that your application is still in process.

Due to the ongoing situation related to the novel coronavirus (COVID-19), some IRCC offices are currently operating with reduced or critical staff only.

We are working on processing applications as quickly as possible; however, processing times are affected and any disruptions caused by COVID-19 may not be reflected accurately on our website. We will make all the necessary efforts to finalize your application as soon as possible.

Rest assured that you will be informed as soon as a decision is reached or if additional information is needed.

We hope the information provided is helpful in assisting you with your enquiry.

We would also like to suggest the following online services that might be helpful to you with any immigration, refugee and/or citizenship future requests:

 

manasvi_022

Star Member
Mar 2, 2020
104
54
32
Canada
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
Edmonton
NOC Code......
6221
Job Offer........
Yes
App. Filed.......
18-09-2019
Hi ,

my aor september 19th, CEC Inland - Edmonton VISA office. Medical passed Oct 10 No updates since then. It already crossed 6 months. So, I raised a webform few days back, got a below response from IRCC. Is it helpful to get to know status by following information ?


Thank you for contacting Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC).

We verified the information you provided and can confirm that your application is still in process.

Due to the ongoing situation related to the novel coronavirus (COVID-19), some IRCC offices are currently operating with reduced or critical staff only.

We are working on processing applications as quickly as possible; however, processing times are affected and any disruptions caused by COVID-19 may not be reflected accurately on our website. We will make all the necessary efforts to finalize your application as soon as possible.

Rest assured that you will be informed as soon as a decision is reached or if additional information is needed.

We hope the information provided is helpful in assisting you with your enquiry.

We would also like to suggest the following online services that might be helpful to you with any immigration, refugee and/or citizenship future requests:


Hey buddy. Mine is same timeline, same visa office and same CEC inland. I ordered GCMS notes and it says eligibility not started, background check not started and security in process. Not sure what’s your status is. Am assuming it will be delayed by at least 3 more months now.
 

Sai Santhosh

Full Member
Jan 5, 2020
33
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Hey buddy. Mine is same timeline, same visa office and same CEC inland. I ordered GCMS notes and it says eligibility not started, background check not started and security in process. Not sure what’s your status is. Am assuming it will be delayed by at least 3 more months now.
May I know when you applied GCMS notes ? How long it takes for you to get GCMS update?
 

manasvi_022

Star Member
Mar 2, 2020
104
54
32
Canada
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
Edmonton
NOC Code......
6221
Job Offer........
Yes
App. Filed.......
18-09-2019
May I know when you applied GCMS notes ? How long it takes for you to get GCMS update?
I applied Feb. 18th and got it on March 27th. Cuz you’re CEC inland so it should not be too long. Keeping COVID situation in mind, maybe 2 months for you.
 

manasvi_022

Star Member
Mar 2, 2020
104
54
32
Canada
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
Edmonton
NOC Code......
6221
Job Offer........
Yes
App. Filed.......
18-09-2019
I applied on March 10th by help of https://www.applygcms.com . But, they are not giving proper response to me about GCMS update. Lets see..Thanks.
They’ll not give you any answer right away. Just wait for 20-25 more days and you’ll see a ATIP kind of weird email in your inbox with a PDF file
 
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nur_amirkhan

Star Member
Jun 11, 2019
51
9
Kazakhstan
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
AOR Received.
17th Sep 2019
Hi everyone! FSW, AOR- 17th Sep 2019, Just received my GCMS notes.

When my file was at CIO, Eligibility is - Not Met, however when the file was transferred to CPC Ottawa, Case analyst put eligibility as recommended pass. My file is now awaiting officer review. I assume eligibility " not met" is due to the fact that I've changed my NOC code after ITA.

Can you help me understand what does this status mean and if I need to provide clarification to IRCC or take any action right now?

Thanks in advance!