Substantial number of duties, "Other" NOCs Help

[eiden03]

I'm having some problems concerning my NOC due to to its complexity.

CIC states one must perform the actions described in the lead statement and a substantial number of the main duties. Some people in this forum state one should match at least 50% of duties, others 60, 70, etc; the point being the more the better.

For most NOCs this is straightforward as they relate to a single or few occupations. They provide the lead statement and mention a list of 6-10 (sometimes more) main duties. However, some NOCs are a bit more nuanced and cover a lot more ground.

For example, I have devised that the correct NOC for experience is 1114 (Other Financial Officers). The thing is 1114 covers an extensive unit group of professions not classified anywhere else. All "Other NOCs" do roughly the same thing. As a result of this, the main duties are few and segregated between distinct professions.

In the case of 1114, there are 13 main duties listed distributed between 6 professions:

Financial planner: 5 main duties
Financial examiners and inspector: 1 main duty
Financial investigators: 1 main duty
Financial underwriters: 2 main duties
Trust officers: 2 main duties
Mortgage brokers: 2 main duties

In my case, my job was 100% a mix of financial investigator and financial examiner. I have around 10 duties and responsibilities listed in my experience letter by my employer which are all clearly associated to examiners and investigators. I would think this is fine because NOC 1114 is a bit particular in and of itself due to the fact that it covers many different financial positions, but I am still worried because due to the nature of this NOC I am only matching 2 main duties, while everything and everybody says I ought of to match the highest number of duties possible.

I am 99.9% sure this is the correct NOC for my experience. Furthermore it would be practically impossible for anybody to match 60-70% of the duties listed in 1114. E.g. A trust officer or mortgage broker is not going to perform the duties of a financial planner, these positions are all different and unique.

Has anybody experienced the same thing? Should I be worried about only matching the duties concerning examiners and investigators (only 2 duties total)? Any suggestions?

 

[gta88]

Hi @eiden03 ,
Can you share what happened later?
Thanks

 

[eiden03]

Hi @eiden03 ,
Can you share what happened later?
Thanks

Hi @gta88

My application was approved (no problem whatsoever with NOC 1114). Even though at the time I wasn't 100% sure, it was just as I figured, when it comes to NOCs that detail the main duties of multiple roles (such as NOC 1114), you only have to match the ones corresponding to your experience. In my case, as an AML/Compliance Analyst, my job fell under "Financial examiners and inspectors" of NOC 1114, which only has 1 main duty. Most of my duties in my experience/job letter could be traced to that 1 corresponding main duty.

If you have any questions, let me know!

 

[gta88]

Hi @gta88

My application was approved (no problem whatsoever with NOC 1114). Even though at the time I wasn't 100% sure, it was just as I figured, when it comes to NOCs that detail the main duties of multiple roles (such as NOC 1114), you only have to match the ones corresponding to your experience. In my case, as an AML/Compliance Analyst, my job fell under "Financial examiners and inspectors" of NOC 1114, which only has 1 main duty. Most of my duties in my experience/job letter could be traced to that 1 corresponding main duty.

If you have any questions, let me know!

Hi @eiden03
Thanks for replying.
So are you saying that in your case, the only relevant duty was just ONE duty from Noc 1114? or did you have to explain everything in an explanation letter to justify why you did not have a substantial number of duties matching?
Thanks

 

[eiden03]

Hi @eiden03
Thanks for replying.
So are you saying that in your case, the only relevant duty was just ONE duty from Noc 1114? or did you have to explain everything in an explanation letter to justify why you did not have a substantial number of duties matching?
Thanks

Exactly, I only had 1 relevant duty from NOC 1114 that I had to match:

"Financial examiners and inspectors perform some or all of the following duties:

• Review and examine banks, trust companies, credit unions, caisses populaires, credit companies, real estate companies, insurance companies, pension funds, securities brokers and other financial services and institutions to ensure compliance with governing legislation and regulations"

I did not explain it in the LOE (nonetheless, you could and I'd also advise you to do it just for peace of mind). My job letter had about 10 duties, and out of those, around 8 were drafted "redundantly" so that each and everyone of them could be matched with the 1 and only duty I had from NOC 1114. Did it this way because I was concerned and I wanted to make sure that the case officer who would review my file knew without a doubt that all my duties fell under the 1 duty described in "financial examiners and inspectors".

So, for example, let's say your job falls under Financial Planners of NOC 1114, you would have 5 main duties and you'd have to ensure your job letter matches most of them. In my case I only had 1, so I had to make it a clear as possible that I was 100% performing that duty.

 

[gta88]

Exactly, I only had 1 relevant duty from NOC 1114 that I had to match:

"Financial examiners and inspectors perform some or all of the following duties:

• Review and examine banks, trust companies, credit unions, caisses populaires, credit companies, real estate companies, insurance companies, pension funds, securities brokers and other financial services and institutions to ensure compliance with governing legislation and regulations"

I did not explain it in the LOE (nonetheless, you could and I'd also advise you to do it just for peace of mind). My job letter had about 10 duties, and out of those, around 8 were drafted "redundantly" so that each and everyone of them could be matched with the 1 and only duty I had from NOC 1114. Did it this way because I was concerned and I wanted to make sure that the case officer who would review my file knew without a doubt that all my duties fell under the 1 duty described in "financial examiners and inspectors".

So, for example, let's say your job falls under Financial Planners of NOC 1114, you would have 5 main duties and you'd have to ensure your job letter matches most of them. In my case I only had 1, so I had to make it a clear as possible that I was 100% performing that duty.

That's very comforting to know.
Congratulations on your PR

 

[wuyitongXX]

Exactly, I only had 1 relevant duty from NOC 1114 that I had to match:

"Financial examiners and inspectors perform some or all of the following duties:

• Review and examine banks, trust companies, credit unions, caisses populaires, credit companies, real estate companies, insurance companies, pension funds, securities brokers and other financial services and institutions to ensure compliance with governing legislation and regulations"

I did not explain it in the LOE (nonetheless, you could and I'd also advise you to do it just for peace of mind). My job letter had about 10 duties, and out of those, around 8 were drafted "redundantly" so that each and everyone of them could be matched with the 1 and only duty I had from NOC 1114. Did it this way because I was concerned and I wanted to make sure that the case officer who would review my file knew without a doubt that all my duties fell under the 1 duty described in "financial examiners and inspectors".

So, for example, let's say your job falls under Financial Planners of NOC 1114, you would have 5 main duties and you'd have to ensure your job letter matches most of them. In my case I only had 1, so I had to make it a clear as possible that I was 100% performing that duty.

did you trick the officer by splitting your duty into 8 bullet points? or the officer knows what you are doing?

 

[wuyitongXX]

I need some help with this topic as well.

My previous jobs were part-time (14 hours/week), which doesn't cover a whole lot of duties of the NOC list, which about 4 out 11.

I am 100% sure that I fall into the right category, but I am worried the reviewer might think it is not substantial enough.