Visitor visa for my father refused

[billyalhaddad]

My father applied for a visitor visa from Abu dhabi, UAE submitted online. Aapplication refused twice now for the same reason.

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary
resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your travel history.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary
resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and
in your country of residence.

My father is a business owner and his visit wont be longer than 2 weeks as he needs to return back and manage his business. We have provided the documentation from the UAE government that he is the sole proprietorship of his business. I live with my wife and 2 kids and submitted a letter of invitation with his visa application stating that he will be staying with us and I guarantee his return back to UAE. My mother has an active Visa still and an approved PR sponsorship by federal and provincial through me. And in the sponsorship we stated we are not including my father as he has a business to run and its not the right time for him. Although for my mother she wants to be with her grandchildren right now. I also have a single brother in the same city as me. I can u understand the ties to Canada could be strong but I dont comprehend what is more needed to prove that he has no intentions to just leave his business behind. and we stated in the letter of invitation he is visiting to see his grandchildren. Specially due to my wife and I employment schedule and lack of public daycares we use our vacation to accomadate the daycare vacation and sick days so we dont have much days left in order for us to go visit my father.

if anyone has had the experience or knows of an escalation process we can follow please let us know.

thank you

 

[canuck78]

My father applied for a visitor visa from Abu dhabi, UAE submitted online. Aapplication refused twice now for the same reason.

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary
resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your travel history.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary
resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and
in your country of residence.

My father is a business owner and his visit wont be longer than 2 weeks as he needs to return back and manage his business. We have provided the documentation from the UAE government that he is the sole proprietorship of his business. I live with my wife and 2 kids and submitted a letter of invitation with his visa application stating that he will be staying with us and I guarantee his return back to UAE. My mother has an active Visa still and an approved PR sponsorship by federal and provincial through me. And in the sponsorship we stated we are not including my father as he has a business to run and its not the right time for him. Although for my mother she wants to be with her grandchildren right now. I also have a single brother in the same city as me. I can u understand the ties to Canada could be strong but I dont comprehend what is more needed to prove that he has no intentions to just leave his business behind. and we stated in the letter of invitation he is visiting to see his grandchildren. Specially due to my wife and I employment schedule and lack of public daycares we use our vacation to accomadate the daycare vacation and sick days so we dont have much days left in order for us to go visit my father.

if anyone has had the experience or knows of an escalation process we can follow please let us know.

thank you

The fact that your mother has PR has created stronger ties to Canada versus the UAE. The fear is he will enter Canada and your mother will apply to sponsor him inland.

 

[billyalhaddad]

The fact that your mother has PR has created stronger ties to Canada versus the UAE. The fear is he will enter Canada and your mother will apply to sponsor him inland.

Thanks for your reply.

That's what I assumed as well. We are planning to reapply again as he wants to see his grandchildren. He has no intention to stay at this time. What other proves can we provide that shows a stronger tie to UAE. His business lease agreement, apartment lease.... ??


I'm also waiting for the interest of sponsorship to open again and will submit it as well, but that process alone is almost 2 years.

 

[scylla]

Thanks for your reply.

That's what I assumed as well. We are planning to reapply again as he wants to see his grandchildren. He has no intention to stay at this time. What other proves can we provide that shows a stronger tie to UAE. His business lease agreement, apartment lease.... ??


I'm also waiting for the interest of sponsorship to open again and will submit it as well, but that process alone is almost 2 years.

If your mother / his wife is a PR and living in Canada - she can simply sponsor him through spousal sponsorship. No need to wait for anything to open.

 

[billyalhaddad]

If your mother / his wife is a PR and living in Canada - she can simply sponsor him through spousal sponsorship. No need to wait for anything to open.

Her application is accepted but we still waiting for the PR in order for her to come. so shes not living in Canada yet.

I actually called cic and the agent said the same thing, spousal sponsorship is easier to be approved than parent sponsoring.

 

[scylla]

Her application is accepted but we still waiting for the PR in order for her to come. so shes not living in Canada yet.

I actually called cic and the agent said the same thing, spousal sponsorship is easier to be approved than parent sponsoring.

In that case you can change the status of your father in the application from non-accompanying to accompanying.

 

[billyalhaddad]

In that case you can change the status of your father in the application from non-accompanying to accompanying.

That would have worked if we did it before the decision for my mother sponsorship was given as approved. That was my understanding when I spoke to the cic. Unless there is another process we can follow now.

 

[Kush.k19]

Hello Members, I have a case of a Tourist Visa rejected for my Father and my brother in June 2019. We are Indians and they were planning to travel from India.
I am a Permanent Resident and moved to Canada in Feb 2018. I work in IT for one of the 5 Canadian Banks for more than over a year now.

The reasons for rejections are as below -
1. I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence. - My mother in deceased and I have my father(working with a Bank) and brother(working in IT for last year and a half) only in my family. Thus, I believe that as I applied for both of them, this became a reason for rejection.
2. I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit. - I mentioned the purpose of visit as 3-4 weeks trip to visit Family/Friends.
3. I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status. - I mentioned funds equaling ~19000 CAD for the both of them, I also mentioned that they are dependent on me for support.

I wish to re-apply and only for my father this time and I have started preparing the documents. If someone could assist me with the below then would be extremely grateful -

1. In order to prove my father's ties to home country, I am providing a bonafide employment letter from his employer(signed by his manager) mentioning his service for last 39 years and that he would need to re-join the service after his short visit to Canada. In addition to this, I am providing documents specific to the property he owns in the home country. - Is this a good way to go about it or you suggest to add something more to it ?

2. For the funds, I am planning to mention that he is not dependent on me and that just while his visit to Canada, I would be hosting him at my place and would be paying for his expenses in Canada. Also, I will be showing his liquid assets to be close to 24000 CAD. Is this a good enough or I need to improvise ?

3. For the purpose of visit, I am still keeping it as Visit Family/Friends - Do I need to change it to Tourism ?

4. As we are using his same(previous login) to create this new application, should I advice him to use his previous UCI to be mentioned on the IMM forms OR should it be left blank only again this time ? If should be left blank, then how is the biometric going to link with the new application as I have mentioned that the biometric is already done ?

5. To add, none of them have have travelled outside of India. Thus, no travel history. Is this an issue? If yes, then how to handle this ?

In addition to the above, I would like to mention that I am just not considering the rejection reasons to modify the application this time but ensuring the complete application as a whole new package and ensuring checks on the minutest detail.

Kindly, advice.

Thanks in anticipation,
Kush Kawale

 

[canuck78]

Hello Members, I have a case of a Tourist Visa rejected for my Father and my brother in June 2019. We are Indians and they were planning to travel from India.
I am a Permanent Resident and moved to Canada in Feb 2018. I work in IT for one of the 5 Canadian Banks for more than over a year now.

The reasons for rejections are as below -
1. I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence. - My mother in deceased and I have my father(working with a Bank) and brother(working in IT for last year and a half) only in my family. Thus, I believe that as I applied for both of them, this became a reason for rejection.

Yes your brother will have a much harder time getting a visa versus your father. Would suggest your father apply alone.

2. I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit. - I mentioned the purpose of visit as 3-4 weeks trip to visit Family/Friends.

As a first visit you should have asked for 2-3 weeks.

3. I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status. - I mentioned funds equaling ~19000 CAD for the both of them, I also mentioned that they are dependent on me for support.

Did they earn that income? If not it will be discounted as you propping up their savings so they show more liquid funds. Yes it was a bad idea seating you support them. It shows that their jobs are not good enough to support them so more incentive for them to try and remain in Canada. This is especially true for your brother. TRV approval is dependent on the proof that they can pay for the visit without using a good proportion of their liquid savings.

I wish to re-apply and only for my father this time and I have started preparing the documents. If someone could assist me with the below then would be extremely grateful -

1. In order to prove my father's ties to home country, I am providing a bonafide employment letter from his employer(signed by his manager) mentioning his service for last 39 years and that he would need to re-join the service after his short visit to Canada. In addition to this, I am providing documents specific to the property he owns in the home country. - Is this a good way to go about it or you suggest to add something more to it ?


Yes. Bank savings info as well.

2. For the funds, I am planning to mention that he is not dependent on me and that just while his visit to Canada, I would be hosting him at my place and would be paying for his expenses in Canada. Also, I will be showing his liquid assets to be close to 24000 CAD. Is this a good enough or I need to improvise ?

The statement should only include money that they have saved from their job since last time. If the 5k is only coming from you that will not help.

3. For the purpose of visit, I am still keeping it as Visit Family/Friends - Do I need to change it to Tourism ?

Keep it consistent since previous application will be referenced. Make sure to declare this refusal.

4. As we are using his same(previous login) to create this new application, should I advice him to use his previous UCI to be mentioned on the IMM forms OR should it be left blank only again this time ? If should be left blank, then how is the biometric going to link with the new application as I have mentioned that the biometric is already done ?

5. To add, none of them have have travelled outside of India. Thus, no travel history. Is this an issue? If yes, then how to handle this ?

In addition to the above, I would like to mention that I am just not considering the rejection reasons to modify the application this time but ensuring the complete application as a whole new package and ensuring checks on the minutest detail.

Kindly, advice.

Thanks in anticipation,
Kush Kawale

 

[Kush.k19]

Thanks a lot for the quick response.

1. So, I will modify the itinerary to show only 2-3 weeks of travel this time.
2. The entire CAD 24000 is my father's earnings and nothing is from me. I will be able to show that with his savings and job salary over the last 39 years. So, no help from my side on that part.

Could you please assist on the point number 4 and 5 in my previous post as well ?

I would have the doubts answered with that for now.

Thanks in anticipation,
Kush Kawale

 

[canuck78]

4. Yes same UCI

5. Not much you can do about travel history unless they want to travel to somewhere like the US, Australia, UK, etc. first.

How did both your brother and your father have combined savings of 19k and then 6 months later it is 24k for just your father. You also stated that they are dependent on you for support. As long as the additional savings shows that it is coming from regular salary deposits it should be fine.

 

[Kush.k19]

4. Yes same UCI

5. Not much you can do about travel history unless they want to travel to somewhere like the US, Australia, UK, etc. first.

How did both your brother and your father have combined savings of 19k and then 6 months later it is 24k for just your father. You also stated that they are dependent on you for support. As long as the additional savings shows that it is coming from regular salary deposits it should be fine.

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Previously, I did not show the entire amount from my father's side and also incorrectly filled that they are dependent on me.
I can continue to show CAD 19k only if changing the amount would be an issue here. And yes his bank statements and account details can prove that all the amount I am planning to show are his savings and have come from the salary he has been earning for last 39 years.

Is this okay ?

Thanks in anticipation,
Kush Kawale

 

[canuck78]

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Previously, I did not show the entire amount from my father's side and also incorrectly filled that they are dependent on me.
I can continue to show CAD 19k only if changing the amount would be an issue here. And yes his bank statements and account details can prove that all the amount I am planning to show are his savings and have come from the salary he has been earning for last 39 years.

Is this okay ?

Thanks in anticipation,
Kush Kawale

The fact that you misrepresented their situation will create problems for you. Saying they were dependent on you and then changing your mind creates concern. You will have to explain why you didn’t include all his funds before and said they were dependent on you. Still no guarantee of approval.

 

[Kush.k19]

The fact that you misrepresented their situation will create problems for you. Saying they were dependent on you and then changing your mind creates concern. You will have to explain why you didn’t include all his funds before and said they were dependent on you. Still no guarantee of approval.

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Understood. I will provide the explanation along with all the documents. Another question please, my father has 100+ year old ancestral property on his name(where he is living currently). He has to take care of it and I believe this would be a good thing to show in the application. However, the registration document of the property is in HIndi. So, to convert it to English, will certified translators like http://www.lyriclabs.in/index.html OR https://www.crystalhues.com/ be accepted ? Or I will have to take another route for it ?

Thanks,
Kush Kawale