PGP 2020

[canuck78]

In reality everyone used to complain about the backlog but that was the best thing. Because you knew at one point or another you will be processed.

Other than the backlog and accept everyone all processes will be unfair.

There a few things they could do in order to try to remove duplicates and candidates that actually don't meet the LICO or other requirements like:
-Charging upfront fee and if application for same candidate is submitted twice then charge twice and take the last spot so double penalization.
-Asking for SIN number mandatory so no screwing around with the income and LICO stuff, or if there is problem with SIN number you must submitt your last 3 years taxes at the time of application

Just my thoughts.

Unfortunately people would start discovering 10k in cash work they forgot to declare or cash out RRSPs a bit earlier. Do think an application fee may eliminate those not doing any research. The issue will always be that demand outpaces supply and the reality is that Canada actually doesn’t need any extra seniors. The system is already overwhelmed. There should also be a much more detailed list of potential expenses. Think many are unaware of very large potential expenses which will be difficult to cover for many families since their parents won’t have access to much of a pension, if any, for the first 10 years.

 

[canuck78]

So you would be good going back to processing times of 7 to 10+ years?

Think there needs to be a submission of everyone interested and include days lived or worked in Canada. Those who have been in Canada the longest get priority. They accept an extra 5-10k so if some don’t qualify they have back-up application. Then they accept those applicants and tell others they are on the waitlist but they don’t keep a list for the next year. Next year starts fresh.

 

[Dainik]

So you would be good going back to processing times of 7 to 10+ years?

Yes, I agre with @AG1ez on this.
Atleast everyone will get a chance. And IRCC can line up the Applications with the amount of time sponsors has worked and paid taxes. Longest time working people will get the first priority. Another thing I want to add here is that IRCC should allow only the Canadian Citizens to sponsors. No Permanent residents.

 

[AG1ez]

So you would be good going back to processing times of 7 to 10+ years?

Yes. The problem is that there are 100K people trying to sponsor their parents therefore any process other than backlog will somehow be unfair. Lottery is unfair is not guaranteed that you will ever be in. FIFO with cap is unfair too because if for whatever reason you don't make the cut you need to repeat the process every year and then it became sort of a get lucky kind of system. The only fair way is to apply and your application will be considered in the order of application, which basically will create a backlog.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Yes, I agre with @AG1ez on this.
Atleast everyone will get a chance. And IRCC can line up the Applications with the amount of time sponsors has worked and paid taxes. Longest time working people will get the first priority. Another thing I want to add here is that IRCC should allow only the Canadian Citizens to sponsors. No Permanent residents.

A Canadian citizenship requirement would never be enacted. Many countries don't allow multiple citizenships and such a requirement would force people to renounce their home country citizenship in order to sponsor their parents.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

If they use any sort of lottery or FIFO method, they should definitely require fees paid upfront. Make it fully refundable if a person legitimately doesn't make it in and only partially refundable if someone didn't actually qualify.

 

[AG1ez]

The way I see it is that other than the obvious wait there was nothing wrong with the backlog. Any other processes after that was really bad. They should have tried to improve the intake process so the backlog didn't grow again to those numbers but instead they decided to change the whole thing altogether. For example:

Put in place an online system where candidates pay an initial application fee to enter into a queue and they will need to provide access to their CRA records this way you can automate the check for the LICO income based on the amount of people you want to sponsor. This way an automatic system will kick you out of the queue if you don't meet the minimum required criteria.

Then IRCC only needs to take the first 20K or whatever quota they set every-year from that queue and yes it will create a backlog but at least you know that the only reason a candidate will get rejected will be because medical or police check, and you will be certain that at some point your application will be processed and maybe IRCC can disclose the month/year of the applications is processing that way everyone could estimate how long will take for them to be processed.

Either way we will have to wait and see whatever they come up with.

 

[scylla]

The way I see it is that other than the obvious wait there was nothing wrong with the backlog. Any other processes after that was really bad. They should have tried to improve the intake process so the backlog didn't grow again to those numbers but instead they decided to change the whole thing altogether. For example:

For what it's worth, pretty much everyone on this forum who was trying to sponsor their parents / grandparent found the backlog completely unacceptable when there was no cap on sponsorship. There were many letters to MPs, petitions, etc. People thought it was horrible and barbaric to have to wait a decade or more. There were many instances where parents aged out health-wise - meaning that when the sponsorship application was first submitted, their health was fine. However by the time they were in the last year of processing and the medical had to be done, they had health issues and failed the medical (and were refused).

The only way to improve the intake process (without implementing a cap) would have been to hire more agents. Hiring more agents would have either required significant additional funding from taxpayers (which would never get public support) or very significantly higher application fees. If I remember correctly, there was a survey back then and people were asked about cap vs. fee that is many thousands of dollars - and people voted for the cap.

 

[babybenz]

Or, and I think I sound kind of terrible, to request that all sponsors would pay for the MSP of their parents/grandparents to help ease out a bit on the budget for medical care and hospital beds which are the main reason for some of the senior members here concern...
But honestly, Canada seriously need more doctors...

 

[parvisingh]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/u-of-c-law-prof-says-canadian-immigration-system-flawed-keeping-his-family-apart-1.4735769

 

[parvisingh]

Or, and I think I sound kind of terrible, to request that all sponsors would pay for the MSP of their parents/grandparents to help ease out a bit on the budget for medical care and hospital beds which are the main reason for some of the senior members here concern...
But honestly, Canada seriously need more doctors...

I agree with you. Only if there were more doctors like these:-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/07/hundreds-of-canadian-doctors-demand-lower-salaries/

 

[Dainik]

Or, and I think I sound kind of terrible, to request that all sponsors would pay for the MSP of their parents/grandparents to help ease out a bit on the budget for medical care and hospital beds which are the main reason for some of the senior members here concern...
But honestly, Canada seriously need more doctors...

The Doctors and Surgeons who migrate to Canada cannot continue their practice and end up driving cabs.

 

[Copingwithlife]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/u-of-c-law-prof-says-canadian-immigration-system-flawed-keeping-his-family-apart-1.4735769

The system is not flawed . There was never a guarantee that people can bring their parents over when THEY choose to immigrate. MANY people in Canada survive just fine managing /raising their children without their parents assistance in Canada . Have these people heard of nannies, baby sitters , day care ?
The only thing that was flawed was this news link from CTV. It left out that there was never a guarantee as I mentioned in bringing parents over.

 

[canuck78]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/u-of-c-law-prof-says-canadian-immigration-system-flawed-keeping-his-family-apart-1.4735769

Why is he complaining? Within 5 years of arriving in Canada his mother was selected and will get PR and would be eligible for a TRV extension or a supervisa. Many other families and even single parents are able to manage childcare while going to work. It can certainly be expensive but friends may help out at times and you end up with an army of babysitters.

 

[canuck78]

The Doctors and Surgeons who migrate to Canada cannot continue their practice and end up driving cabs.

Some of the doctors are not able or don’t want to repeat their residencies. Getting back into practice could easily be a 10 year process. The difficulty getting licensed is well known and most physicians move knowing this or for some reason did no research. Actually pretty shocking when a doctor does do little research. There are plenty of other countries seeking doctors where retraining could be much easier.