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Declaring Conjugal Partner on Exress Entry Application

rhyeann

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Hi everyone!

I would like to ask if is it possible to include my conjugal partner on my Express Entry application. We've been together for 8 years, same-sex couple from the Philippines, never lived together as my family is against our relationship ever since. I am currently working as a skilled worker here in Canada and my partner is in the Philippines. I'll be applying for Express Entry next month but would like to declare her on my application. It's just that in CIC website, they did not give any details about including conjugal partner under the Express Entry program. Hope I can have some insight here from others who has the same situation or has a knowledge about this. Thanks and more power!
 

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You can only include a common law partner or spouse on your application. You can't include a conjugal partner.
 

bhatiab

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You can sponsor your partner , here is the link
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/3900ETOC.asp. you would need to check though if you fall under their definition of it
 

rhyeann

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Does that mean that I need to state that I am single on my application even if I know that I have a conjugal partner?
 

Pippin

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This link will be helpful. I am not sure that living in separate countries due to family pressure will be accepted as a conjugal relationship. Good luck.
For more detailed information, read the Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) Overseas Processing Manual - OP 2 - Processing Members of the Family Class [PDF]. Read section "5.25 Characteristics of conjugal relationships."
 

joelmath

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rhyeann said:
Hi everyone!

I would like to ask if is it possible to include my conjugal partner on my Express Entry application. We've been together for 8 years, same-sex couple from the Philippines, never lived together as my family is against our relationship ever since. I am currently working as a skilled worker here in Canada and my partner is in the Philippines. I'll be applying for Express Entry next month but would like to declare her on my application. It's just that in CIC website, they did not give any details about including conjugal partner under the Express Entry program. Hope I can have some insight here from others who has the same situation or has a knowledge about this. Thanks and more power!
It's not a straightforward case but can be considered if you can satisfy the VO about the relationship and the unique circumstances.. I am sure I have read this in one of the CIC pages. It was somewhat on these lines ~conjugal partners who do not stay together can still apply if there is a valid reason for not cohabiting together.. I'll try to find the page later today and post it here.. If u find it before me then do post it here for the benefit of others..
 

Pippin

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From a quick skim of 5.25, it looks like you would have to already hold legal status in Canada in order to sponsor a conjugal partner which ties in with Scylla's advice. If you are applying through EE then you would only be able to include a married spouse or common law partner in your application.
 

joelmath

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Found it!!

It is already established that you can include spouse or common-law partner in your EE application.

Ministerial Instructions for the Express Entry Application Management System : last amended on May 30, 2015
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/mi/express-entry.asp

Definitions

“accompanying spouse or common-law partner”, in respect of a foreign national, means the foreign national’s spouse or common-law partner who is accompanying him or her to Canada and who is not a Canadian Citizen or a permanent resident.

“common-law partner” has the same meaning as in subsection 1(1) of the Regulations.

**Now if you check Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-2002-227/FullText.html

subsection 1(1) : provides the same definition of common-law partner as stated above and then subsection 1(2) states this

"Interpretation — common-law partner

(2) For the purposes of the Act and these Regulations, an individual who has been in a conjugal relationship with a person for at least one year but is unable to cohabit with the person, due to persecution or any form of penal control, shall be considered a common-law partner of the person."

I could not find CICs definition on conjugal relationship in the regulations page or ministerial instruction on express entry page. However there is a definition available in this page : http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse-apply-who.asp

"Conjugal partner

This category is for partners—either of the opposite sex or same sex—in situations beyond their control that keep them from living together so they would count as common-law partners or spouses.

A conjugal relationship is more than a physical relationship. It means you depend on each other, there is some permanence to the relationship, and there is the same level of commitment as a marriage or a common-law partnership.

You may apply as a conjugal partner if:

you have had a conjugal relationship with your sponsor for at least one year and you could not live together or marry because of
an immigration barrier,
your marital status (for example, you are married to someone else and living in a country where divorce is not possible) or
your sexual orientation (for example, you are in a same-sex relationship and same-sex marriage is not permitted where you live) and
you can prove there was a reason you could not live together (for example, you were refused long-term stays in each other’s country).
You should not apply as a conjugal partner if:

you could have lived together but chose not to, as this shows that you did not have the level of commitment needed for a conjugal relationship (for example, one of you may not have wanted to give up a job or a course of study, or your relationship was not yet at the point where you were ready to live together),
you cannot prove there was a reason that kept you from living together,
you are engaged to be married (in this case, you should either apply as a spouse once the marriage has taken place or apply as a common-law partner if you have lived together continuously for at least 12 months)."

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So it appears that even if you are not living / have lived together, you can still be considered as Common-law provided the reason for not cohabiting together is beyond your control and at the same time, you meet the definitions of a conjugal relationship. Please note that this is my interpretation of the information that I could find. You should wait for other forum members to also share their thoughts.

This is not a straightforward case and thus you will need to deep-dive into several pages to determine if your situation really qualifies under any immigration program.
 

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Wow, joelmath, that is some research! This should answer the OP's question. +1 mate.
 
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scylla

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joelmath said:
So it appears that even if you are not living / have lived together, you can still be considered as Common-law provided the reason for not cohabiting together is beyond your control and at the same time, you meet the definitions of a conjugal relationship. Please note that this is my interpretation of the information that I could find. You should wait for other forum members to also share their thoughts.
Your interpretation is incorrect. If you read through the information you quoted more closely you'll see it relates to spousal sponsorship (i.e. Canadians who are sponsoring spouses for PR). The same rules do not apply for individuals applying to immigrate through economic streams.
 

joelmath

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scylla said:
Your interpretation is incorrect. If you read through the information you quoted more closely you'll see it relates to spousal sponsorship (i.e. Canadians who are sponsoring spouses for PR). The same rules do not apply for individuals applying to immigrate through economic streams.
My interpretation could be wrong. And that is why I specifically mentioned that this is my interpretation and OP should consider other forum members thoughts as well. To clarify, the only information that is exclusively from Spousal sponsorship page is the definition of conjugal relationship.

What I still do not understand is that when Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations indicate that based on circumstances non-cohabiting couples can also be considered as common-law, then why should common-law definition be different for economic or family class programs? Any thoughts on this?
 

scylla

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Really? Where does it say that.
Sorry - not doing your research for you. If you think conjugal partners can be included in Express Entry, where on the IRCC site do you think it says that?
 

Qurat ul ain

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Sorry - not doing your research for you. If you think conjugal partners can be included in Express Entry, where on the IRCC site do you think it says that?
I'm not fighting. I also believe that it doesn't accept conjugal for EE but I haven't come across anything clearly written to convey that.
 

Qurat ul ain

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Found it!!

It is already established that you can include spouse or common-law partner in your EE application.

Ministerial Instructions for the Express Entry Application Management System : last amended on May 30, 2015
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/mi/express-entry.asp

Definitions

“accompanying spouse or common-law partner”, in respect of a foreign national, means the foreign national’s spouse or common-law partner who is accompanying him or her to Canada and who is not a Canadian Citizen or a permanent resident.

“common-law partner” has the same meaning as in subsection 1(1) of the Regulations.

**Now if you check Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-2002-227/FullText.html

subsection 1(1) : provides the same definition of common-law partner as stated above and then subsection 1(2) states this

"Interpretation — common-law partner

(2) For the purposes of the Act and these Regulations, an individual who has been in a conjugal relationship with a person for at least one year but is unable to cohabit with the person, due to persecution or any form of penal control, shall be considered a common-law partner of the person."

I could not find CICs definition on conjugal relationship in the regulations page or ministerial instruction on express entry page. However there is a definition available in this page : http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse-apply-who.asp

"Conjugal partner

This category is for partners—either of the opposite sex or same sex—in situations beyond their control that keep them from living together so they would count as common-law partners or spouses.

A conjugal relationship is more than a physical relationship. It means you depend on each other, there is some permanence to the relationship, and there is the same level of commitment as a marriage or a common-law partnership.

You may apply as a conjugal partner if:

you have had a conjugal relationship with your sponsor for at least one year and you could not live together or marry because of
an immigration barrier,
your marital status (for example, you are married to someone else and living in a country where divorce is not possible) or
your sexual orientation (for example, you are in a same-sex relationship and same-sex marriage is not permitted where you live) and
you can prove there was a reason you could not live together (for example, you were refused long-term stays in each other’s country).
You should not apply as a conjugal partner if:

you could have lived together but chose not to, as this shows that you did not have the level of commitment needed for a conjugal relationship (for example, one of you may not have wanted to give up a job or a course of study, or your relationship was not yet at the point where you were ready to live together),
you cannot prove there was a reason that kept you from living together,
you are engaged to be married (in this case, you should either apply as a spouse once the marriage has taken place or apply as a common-law partner if you have lived together continuously for at least 12 months)."

-------------

So it appears that even if you are not living / have lived together, you can still be considered as Common-law provided the reason for not cohabiting together is beyond your control and at the same time, you meet the definitions of a conjugal relationship. Please note that this is my interpretation of the information that I could find. You should wait for other forum members to also share their thoughts.

This is not a straightforward case and thus you will need to deep-dive into several pages to determine if your situation really qualifies under any immigration program.
This still seems like you can only sponsor a conjugal partner and that too if you are a Canadian citizen or a PR.