Can anyone tell me what stage am I in?

[randomdude]

First post here. I am very thankful to have found a forum like this!

After going through the useful information on the different stages of the Skilled Worker Program on this forum, I feel a little bit more confused than before. I understand that everything is to be taken with a grain of salt but I can't really figure what stage I am in right row?

AOR: Jan, 19th, 2019.

Here's a screenshot of my CIC account:

Thanks,

 

[Peacekeeper87]

First post here. I am very thankful to have found a forum like this!

After going through the useful information on the different stages of the Skilled Worker Program on this forum, I feel a little bit more confused than before. I understand that everything is to be taken with a grain of salt but I can't really figure what stage I am in right row?

AOR: Jan, 19th, 2019.

Here's a screenshot of my CIC account:

Thanks,

You're confused because of all the immigration guru theories, telling people that IP1 is for this, IP2 is for that, and you were lead to believe it, because it sounded like expert opinion.
And now, you're more confused than someone who never even stepped foot in this forum.

Surely, someone will jump at some point and affirm with adamant confidence that they are reviewing this and that.
But the only thing we know for sure, is that you passed your medicals, and you logically cleared completeness check. The rest, nobody knows, and your only reliable option is to order GCMS notes or call IRCC call center to get a glimpse and clues.

Here is what I can tell you. Forget about "stages" and don't bother trying to work it out. You'll just sink deeper. Just wait for the 6 months mark. You won't be confused anymore. Every application goes through the same steps, sure, but at different paces and speeds.

 

[Immigration_guru]

First post here. I am very thankful to have found a forum like this!

After going through the useful information on the different stages of the Skilled Worker Program on this forum, I feel a little bit more confused than before. I understand that everything is to be taken with a grain of salt but I can't really figure what stage I am in right row?

AOR: Jan, 19th, 2019.

Here's a screenshot of my CIC account:

Thanks,

Your eligibility is under process, but to get the clear picture of your application, you should consider the option of ordering GCMS notes

 

[randomdude]

Thanks for your brutal honesty! It seems that everything is on per case basis. I'm currently in the United States and these GCMS can only be done by someone in Canada. I don't need any third parties looking at my application so I am going to wait. I hope I get the passport request very soon!

 

[Immigration_guru]

Thanks for your brutal honesty! It seems that everything is on per case basis. I'm currently in the United States and these GCMS can only be done by someone in Canada. I don't need any third parties looking at my application so I am going to wait. I hope I get the passport request very soon!

That sounds good to me, although the third party which i mention in my sig strictly comply with PIPEDA. That means your data is safe. If you don't want to order the notes you can fill in the web form or call the agent to ask for an update

 

[Immigration_guru]

You're confused because of all the immigration guru theories, telling people that IP1 is for this, IP2 is for that, and you were lead to believe it, because it sounded like expert opinion.
And now, you're more confused than someone who never even stepped foot in this forum.

Surely, someone will jump at some point and affirm with adamant confidence that they are reviewing this and that.
But the only thing we know for sure, is that you passed your medicals, and you logically cleared completeness check. The rest, nobody knows, and your only reliable option is to order GCMS notes or call IRCC call center to get a glimpse and clues.

Here is what I can tell you. Forget about "stages" and don't bother trying to work it out. You'll just sink deeper. Just wait for the 6 months mark. You won't be confused anymore. Every application goes through the same steps, sure, but at different paces and speeds.

This is to make it very clear that i do not believe in IP stages.
I simply tell the process in which the application is processed.

R 10
Med
Criminality
Eligibility
Security

In max cases during R10 criminality is passed as it is based on PCC.

I once did share an old post by someone describing about IPs because that person instead of to know about the stages so i referred the link.

Correct me if I miss guide someone, i am happy to correct myself.

 

[randomdude]

@Immigration_guru : I personally would prefer to believe all applications progressed according to the stages theory (It just makes more sense) but as @peacekeeper84 illuded such theory is nothing short of speculation. Every case is handled differently. Would you be kind enough to explain (or share a link perhaps) that goes in details about:

R 10
Med
Criminality
Eligibility
Security

For instance, I have no idea what R10 is. Giving the screenshot I shared in my thread, how would the points above apply to my application? I would like to hear your opinion.

Thanks for taking part in this conversation!

 

[Immigration_guru]

@Immigration_guru : I personally would prefer to believe all applications progressed according to the stages theory (It just makes more sense) but as @peacekeeper84 illuded such theory is nothing short of speculation. Every case is handled differently. Would you be kind enough to explain (or share a link perhaps) that goes in details about:

R 10
Med
Criminality
Eligibility
Security

For instance, I have no idea what R10 is. Giving the screenshot I shared in my thread, how would the points above apply to my application? I would like to hear your opinion.

Thanks for taking part in this conversation!

The screenshot shared is from your account. The information showed might not be updated. This is with my experience on the forum and as i also underwent the EE process. The account may not be updated.

About the stage process.
If you check the gcms notes, which are the most authentic way to gain the information on your application, you will notice the flow in which the application goes.
All the exceptions in the stages
1. Criminality can be made pass along with R10 as it is based on PCC and in R10 all the documents are verified.
2. Security- Some applicants who travel regularly to Canada or recently immigrated to Canada, they might skip this process. (Reason is simple they might have gone under this process during the temporary visa application).

Note
Eligibility is generally done in 2 parts
1. Case Processing Agent review - This is based on Sec A11.2 and the agent puts a remark of RR (Review Required)
This can be on POF, Employment letter, Marriage Certificate etc.
2. Officers Review - In this step the immigration officer reviews the document and cross-check the RR tagged information


After the application clears the Case processing agent you will see Eligibility MET/Recommended pass (On GCMS notes or if you call the Agent)
The eligibility is PASSED when the Officer review is over and he is satisfied with all the RR tags.

 

[randomdude]

Thanks for sharing. I didn't understand a single thing you said though.

 

[randomdude]

For reference sake:

An acknowledgment of receipt (R10 passed) letter is issued to an applicant (or their representative, if applicable) once their application for permanent residence has passed the R10 completeness check. The letter is issued by the Centralized Intake Office. If the application was submitted electronically, this letter is sent to the applicant (or their representative, if applicable) via their MyCIC account; otherwise, the letter is sent by mail. This letter should not be confused with the electronic receipt of the application for permanent residence letter. This is the official acknowledgement of receipt letter and it may be used to support a bridging open work permit if all other requirements are met.

Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/terms-definitions-related-permanent-residence.html

 

[randomdude]

Followup: So I was able to call IRCC from the United States using Google hangouts (*67 (613)-944-4000). The agent said that they are currently processing my background checks (Security phase) and that the next step would be to review my eligibility by an immigration officer before making a determination. He also mentioned that IRRC agents get a more updated view on the application because the online platform does not get updated in real-time. I hope this helps someone else.

 

[hbrsid86]

Thanks for sharing this. I noticed that 'Estimated remaining processing time' status bar on your profile. Did you have that as soon as you get the AOR because I can't see it in mine and didn't even know it existed until I saw your screenshot.

 

[DMyrie]

This is to make it very clear that i do not believe in IP stages.
I simply tell the process in which the application is processed.

R 10
Med
Criminality
Eligibility
Security

In max cases during R10 criminality is passed as it is based on PCC.

I once did share an old post by someone describing about IPs because that person instead of to know about the stages so i referred the link.

Correct me if I miss guide someone, i am happy to correct myself.

CIC also said that eligibility, criminality and security all form a part of your background check. They also said that security can start before eligibility is completed. We just don't know what's happening unless you get GCMS, and even though it shows where you are, it doesn't necessarily indicate precisely when final approval will be.

 

[Immigration_guru]

CIC also said that eligibility, criminality and security all form a part of your background check. They also said that security can start before eligibility is completed. We just don't know what's happening unless you get GCMS, and even though it shows where you are, it doesn't necessarily indicate precisely when final approval will be.

So this Background check is a term that is not mentioned in the GCMS, believe in stages.
About security, i have not seen a case in which security started before eligibility. The reason is security is done by CBSA and CSIS (Some times involved) and the application does not move to them till the time eligiblity is passed.
Why would Canada waste time and resources check the security of a person who is not eligible? That is what logic states.

 

[DMyrie]

So this Background check is a term that is not mentioned in the GCMS, believe in stages.
About security, i have not seen a case in which security started before eligibility. The reason is security is done by CBSA and CSIS (Some times involved) and the application does not move to them till the time eligiblity is passed.
Why would Canada waste time and resources check the security of a person who is not eligible? That is what logic states.

Makes sense. CIC call center representatives' guidance beyond the online status that we already have access to is not always consistent it seems.