Citizenship application questions regarding business travel

[codeguru]

Hello Guys,

Hope you all have been doing well. This forum has been quite helpful to many of us that are working their way to live here in this amazing country- Canada. Time has come for me to apply for Canadian citizenship. I have some questions which I hope to receive some help in.

Using the Physical Presence Calculator, my eligibility period is- 2014-05-01 to 2019-05-01. I became a PR on Jan 2017.
During the year 2015 when I was a temporary worker here in Canada, I traveled internationally for business trips multiple times. None of them were more than 60 days in total. In 2017, I traveled back to visit my parents(vacation outside Canada) for 50 days after I got my PR. Total number of days outside of Canada during my eligibility period is 111 days.
Total Physical Presence- 1,150

During the last few years I have also traveled within Canada for conferences and business trips.

Questions based on the application (cit0002e-2)

10) Please list all the addresses inside and outside of Canada during your entire five(5) year eligibility period?

I am guessing this also means places of stay during the business trips? I traveled last month for business (inside Canada) and stayed in hotel- do I have to list that?
I also traveled 3 years ago(outside Canada, multiple times for Business) Do I need to list that as well? What happens if I do not recall what the address was? Because it was a privately owned apartment of my previous company.

In short, apart from vacation- all the addresses(including Business travels and conferences) ?

Does anyone recall if they asked the same questions during PR application because I do not recall filling this type of question (i.e addresses outside of Canada for Business trips etc)

15) Language evidence
I am guessing IELTS results in 2016 for PR application is fine as stated in the instruction guide


What is the most efficient way of sending the application and supporting documents:
Regular Mail or Courier Address ?

Please advice. Much appreciated for the help. Thank you.

Cheers.

 

[dpenabill]

There is NO need to list, in the address history, the address for places an individual has temporarily stayed while traveling.

Address history is for listing primary residences. Generally, if a person establishes a place of residence, that remains his or her place of residence, his or her address, unless and until the person either terminates maintaining that address as his or her residence (terminates lease, sells, or otherwise definitively moves out) or establishes a different address as his or her primary residence.

Thus, temporarily staying, or boarding, elsewhere, such as during holidays, business trips, family visits, or such, DOES NOT, NOT ORDINARILY, AMOUNT TO A CHANGE IN ADDRESS. Trips abroad are documented, accounted for, in the presence calculation. That should adequately disclose absences from one's primary residential address.

It can be a little more complicated if one has a more or less established address elsewhere and especially so if the stay is longer than a full calendar month.

I do not follow the language proof issue.

As for how to send the application: always use a courier service with confirmation of delivery. Not registered. No signature for receipt. Just the basic courier with confirmation of delivery service. You want to know the package arrived. (It can be many weeks, even months, before you get confirmation from IRCC.)

Also it is a good idea to make a complete photocopy of the application package contents . . . which means separate, additional copies of some items you probably ordinarily keep copies of. You want a single, complete copy of what you submitted. Odds are this is NOT necessary. BUT if there are questions, concerns, issues down the road, you will want this to consult and refresh your memory.


As for information in the Presence Calculation: it is very important to get this information as correct and complete as possible. The Presence Calculator works, but only to the extent the data entered is correct. Get this right and the process tends to go a lot more smoothly.

Hello Guys,

Hope you all have been doing well. This forum has been quite helpful to many of us that are working their way to live here in this amazing country- Canada. Time has come for me to apply for Canadian citizenship. I have some questions which I hope to receive some help in.

Using the Physical Presence Calculator, my eligibility period is- 2014-05-01 to 2019-05-01. I became a PR on Jan 2017.
During the year 2015 when I was a temporary worker here in Canada, I traveled internationally for business trips multiple times. None of them were more than 60 days in total. In 2017, I traveled back to visit my parents(vacation outside Canada) for 50 days after I got my PR. Total number of days outside of Canada during my eligibility period is 111 days.
Total Physical Presence- 1,150

During the last few years I have also traveled within Canada for conferences and business trips.

Questions based on the application (cit0002e-2)

10) Please list all the addresses inside and outside of Canada during your entire five(5) year eligibility period?

I am guessing this also means places of stay during the business trips? I traveled last month for business (inside Canada) and stayed in hotel- do I have to list that?
I also traveled 3 years ago(outside Canada, multiple times for Business) Do I need to list that as well? What happens if I do not recall what the address was? Because it was a privately owned apartment of my previous company.

In short, apart from vacation- all the addresses(including Business travels and conferences) ?

Does anyone recall if they asked the same questions during PR application because I do not recall filling this type of question (i.e addresses outside of Canada for Business trips etc)

15) Language evidence
I am guessing IELTS results in 2016 for PR application is fine as stated in the instruction guide


What is the most efficient way of sending the application and supporting documents:
Regular Mail or Courier Address ?

Please advice. Much appreciated for the help. Thank you.

Cheers.

 

[xylene]

Hello Guys,

Hope you all have been doing well. This forum has been quite helpful to many of us that are working their way to live here in this amazing country- Canada. Time has come for me to apply for Canadian citizenship. I have some questions which I hope to receive some help in.

Using the Physical Presence Calculator, my eligibility period is- 2014-05-01 to 2019-05-01. I became a PR on Jan 2017.
During the year 2015 when I was a temporary worker here in Canada, I traveled internationally for business trips multiple times. None of them were more than 60 days in total. In 2017, I traveled back to visit my parents(vacation outside Canada) for 50 days after I got my PR. Total number of days outside of Canada during my eligibility period is 111 days.
Total Physical Presence- 1,150

During the last few years I have also traveled within Canada for conferences and business trips.

Questions based on the application (cit0002e-2)

10) Please list all the addresses inside and outside of Canada during your entire five(5) year eligibility period?

I am guessing this also means places of stay during the business trips? I traveled last month for business (inside Canada) and stayed in hotel- do I have to list that?
I also traveled 3 years ago(outside Canada, multiple times for Business) Do I need to list that as well? What happens if I do not recall what the address was? Because it was a privately owned apartment of my previous company.

In short, apart from vacation- all the addresses(including Business travels and conferences) ?

Does anyone recall if they asked the same questions during PR application because I do not recall filling this type of question (i.e addresses outside of Canada for Business trips etc)

15) Language evidence
I am guessing IELTS results in 2016 for PR application is fine as stated in the instruction guide


What is the most efficient way of sending the application and supporting documents:
Regular Mail or Courier Address ?

Please advice. Much appreciated for the help. Thank you.

Cheers.

I can answer on the IELTS question. Yes your 2016 IELTS should serve the purpose. Send a copy.

 

[codeguru]

There is NO need to list, in the address history, the address for places an individual has temporarily stayed while traveling.

Address history is for listing primary residences. Generally, if a person establishes a place of residence, that remains his or her place of residence, his or her address, unless and until the person either terminates maintaining that address as his or her residence (terminates lease, sells, or otherwise definitively moves out) or establishes a different address as his or her primary residence.

Thus, temporarily staying, or boarding, elsewhere, such as during holidays, business trips, family visits, or such, DOES NOT, NOT ORDINARILY, AMOUNT TO A CHANGE IN ADDRESS. Trips abroad are documented, accounted for, in the presence calculation. That should adequately disclose absences from one's primary residential address.

It can be a little more complicated if one has a more or less established address elsewhere and especially so if the stay is longer than a full calendar month.

I do not follow the language proof issue.

As for how to send the application: always use a courier service with confirmation of delivery. Not registered. No signature for receipt. Just the basic courier with confirmation of delivery service. You want to know the package arrived. (It can be many weeks, even months, before you get confirmation from IRCC.)

Also it is a good idea to make a complete photocopy of the application package contents . . . which means separate, additional copies of some items you probably ordinarily keep copies of. You want a single, complete copy of what you submitted. Odds are this is NOT necessary. BUT if there are questions, concerns, issues down the road, you will want this to consult and refresh your memory.


As for information in the Presence Calculation: it is very important to get this information as correct and complete as possible. The Presence Calculator works, but only to the extent the data entered is correct. Get this right and the process tends to go a lot more smoothly.

Oh I remember your handle. A legend in these parts. Thank you for your reply.

I was referring to this taken from the Instruction Guide:
10.

1. Write all your addresses inside and outside of Canada during your five (5) year eligibility period, including the postal codes, starting with your current home address. If you were residing, working or studying outside Canada, you must list all of your foreign addresses, including the country postal/mailing codes. Press the (+) plus button if you need more space. You do not need to include addresses of family, friends, hotels or resorts where you stayed while on vacation.
   
   Provide information that covers the five (5) year eligibility period. Do not leave any gaps during this period and do not leave this section blank. If you do, your application will be returned to you as incomplete.

1. Write all your addresses inside and outside of Canada during your five (5) year eligibility period, including the postal codes, starting with your current home address. If you were residing, working or studying outside Canada, you must list all of your foreign addresses, including the country postal/mailing codes. Press the (+) plus button if you need more space. You do not need to include addresses of family, friends, hotels or resorts where you stayed while on vacation.
   
   Provide information that covers the five (5) year eligibility period. Do not leave any gaps during this period and do not leave this section blank. If you do, your application will be returned to you as incomplete.
   

Does this mean I do not have to list any of my Business travels addresses or Vacation addresses? Just the address of my primary residence during my eligibility period? Please note that some of my travels were more than 31 days. Will it matter?

Please advice. Thank you once again.

 

[codeguru]

I can answer on the IELTS question. Yes your 2016 IELTS should serve the purpose. Send a copy.

Thank you for your response. Much appreciated.

 

[dpenabill]

Does this mean I do not have to list any of my Business travels addresses or Vacation addresses? Just the address of my primary residence during my eligibility period? Please note that some of my travels were more than 31 days. Will it matter?

I cannot offer personal advice about how YOU should respond to particular questions. YOU know your situation, your facts and circumstances, and YOU are the one who needs to give the best, most honest and accurate, complete answers you can according to YOUR best understanding of the question based on YOUR honest, genuine assessment of the facts.

For the vast majority of applicants this is not a difficult question. Most of us can easily identify what our PRIMARY place of residence is for any given calendar month, with perhaps some judgment calls for lengthy transitions. Even if we are traveling somewhat extensively along the way.

BUT sure, some of us have more complex lives, especially those of us who earn a living engaged in business abroad or who, for a period, are living border-straddling lifestyles, and especially if both. The variations are virtually countless. There is NO one technically RIGHT answer covering the expansive array of possible scenarios.

The main thing is to be open, honest, forthright, forthcoming, and as accurate and complete as practical.

BUT this does not mean fully accounting every detail in one's day-to-day itinerary.

The fact that the applicant also discloses travel history, in the Presence Calculator, helps a good deal: the applicant discloses time abroad and the primary destination country as well as all other countries visited during that trip, so there is little danger of failing to disclose how long the applicant was elsewhere, away from his or her Canadian primary address. Of course this depends on having maintained an actual primary residence in Canada during those periods abroad. Indeed, where it gets more difficult is when there are somewhat extended periods of time during which the applicant did not have a fixed "home" address, so to say.

But again, the variations are virtually countless. Again, the main thing is to be open and honest, to disclose enough information for IRCC processing agents, total stranger bureaucrats, to get a full enough picture of the applicant's life to evaluate the credibility of the information submitted, especially (of course) information constituting the elements of qualification (days absent and days present being an especially big part of this).

Personally I had more difficulty with the work history than address history. I continued to be self-employed working for the same publishers, all outside Canada, and all that changed (from years prior to even thinking of immigrating to Canada to, well, until today) was where I personally did the work and maintained my primary place of doing business, which I did not fully transition in one move (I can do my work anywhere I have a high speed internet connection . . . and for a long while I tended to roam, at least until the last several years when age has forced its heavy hand on my life). This ended up being a significant factor in how much longer I waited to apply for citizenship.

I bring up my personal experience because I sense the possibility that by "Business travels" you might be referring to working abroad. This forum tends to have discussions in which terms like "business trip" are used in variable ways, sometimes inconsistent ways. Some use terms like this as if there is a technical category of "business" travel. Others use terms like this rather broadly. IT IS NOT THE TERM, NOT THE LANGUAGE USED, THAT MATTERS. IRCC wants to know where the applicant was living, where the applicant was working, so that it can better evaluate the applicant's information about days present in Canada, days absent from Canada. IRCC wants a clear picture.

Too much detail will muddle or blur the picture. But there needs to be enough detail to disclose an honestly complete picture. NO gaps is critical.

If you were basically living and working abroad for a period that covered a full calendar month, for which you had a more or less fixed address during that month, that pushes the needle toward including that information in both the work and address history . . . but again, there is NO one technically RIGHT answer covering the possible variations.

THE APPLICATION FORM IS NOT A TEST. There are some technicalities, sure. NO gaps is one. Clearly, definitively having at least 1095 days actual physical presence in Canada during the eligibility period is another. BUT much of the application is simply asking for enough information to get a reasonably clear picture of who the applicant is and a clear story of the life the applicant has been living, so a total stranger bureaucrat can reasonably, fairly judge the credibility of the information showing the applicant's qualification for citizenship.

YEAH, as I am wont to do, I have taken the long way around to what can be said far more briefly:

"Just give an open and honest, fair accounting of where you worked and where you lived. An open and honest accounting according to YOUR OWN, BEST JUDGMENT."

 

[codeguru]

I cannot offer personal advice about how YOU should respond to particular questions. YOU know your situation, your facts and circumstances, and YOU are the one who needs to give the best, most honest and accurate, complete answers you can according to YOUR best understanding of the question based on YOUR honest, genuine assessment of the facts.

For the vast majority of applicants this is not a difficult question. Most of us can easily identify what our PRIMARY place of residence is for any given calendar month, with perhaps some judgment calls for lengthy transitions. Even if we are traveling somewhat extensively along the way.

BUT sure, some of us have more complex lives, especially those of us who earn a living engaged in business abroad or who, for a period, are living border-straddling lifestyles, and especially if both. The variations are virtually countless. There is NO one technically RIGHT answer covering the expansive array of possible scenarios.

The main thing is to be open, honest, forthright, forthcoming, and as accurate and complete as practical.

BUT this does not mean fully accounting every detail in one's day-to-day itinerary.

The fact that the applicant also discloses travel history, in the Presence Calculator, helps a good deal: the applicant discloses time abroad and the primary destination country as well as all other countries visited during that trip, so there is little danger of failing to disclose how long the applicant was elsewhere, away from his or her Canadian primary address. Of course this depends on having maintained an actual primary residence in Canada during those periods abroad. Indeed, where it gets more difficult is when there are somewhat extended periods of time during which the applicant did not have a fixed "home" address, so to say.

But again, the variations are virtually countless. Again, the main thing is to be open and honest, to disclose enough information for IRCC processing agents, total stranger bureaucrats, to get a full enough picture of the applicant's life to evaluate the credibility of the information submitted, especially (of course) information constituting the elements of qualification (days absent and days present being an especially big part of this).

Personally I had more difficulty with the work history than address history. I continued to be self-employed working for the same publishers, all outside Canada, and all that changed (from years prior to even thinking of immigrating to Canada to, well, until today) was where I personally did the work and maintained my primary place of doing business, which I did not fully transition in one move (I can do my work anywhere I have a high speed internet connection . . . and for a long while I tended to roam, at least until the last several years when age has forced its heavy hand on my life). This ended up being a significant factor in how much longer I waited to apply for citizenship.

I bring up my personal experience because I sense the possibility that by "Business travels" you might be referring to working abroad. This forum tends to have discussions in which terms like "business trip" are used in variable ways, sometimes inconsistent ways. Some use terms like this as if there is a technical category of "business" travel. Others use terms like this rather broadly. IT IS NOT THE TERM, NOT THE LANGUAGE USED, THAT MATTERS. IRCC wants to know where the applicant was living, where the applicant was working, so that it can better evaluate the applicant's information about days present in Canada, days absent from Canada. IRCC wants a clear picture.

Too much detail will muddle or blur the picture. But there needs to be enough detail to disclose an honestly complete picture. NO gaps is critical.

If you were basically living and working abroad for a period that covered a full calendar month, for which you had a more or less fixed address during that month, that pushes the needle toward including that information in both the work and address history . . . but again, there is NO one technically RIGHT answer covering the possible variations.

THE APPLICATION FORM IS NOT A TEST. There are some technicalities, sure. NO gaps is one. Clearly, definitively having at least 1095 days actual physical presence in Canada during the eligibility period is another. BUT much of the application is simply asking for enough information to get a reasonably clear picture of who the applicant is and a clear story of the life the applicant has been living, so a total stranger bureaucrat can reasonably, fairly judge the credibility of the information showing the applicant's qualification for citizenship.

YEAH, as I am wont to do, I have taken the long way around to what can be said far more briefly:

"Just give an open and honest, fair accounting of where you worked and where you lived. An open and honest accounting according to YOUR OWN, BEST JUDGMENT."

Thank you very much sir. Yes I think I know how I should fill this question. I have read this link as well - https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/c-6-citizenship-applications-frequently-asked-questions.522548/

Now that I think of it, all these trips- I have stayed in hotels paid by Business etc at the same I was also paying my rent in Vancouver primary resident address. Should have thought about that. Thank you for the clarification though. Much appreciated. Cheers.