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I have a friend who recently got citizenship interview, the interviewer went through his entry stamps of foreign countries to verify his exits out of Canada.

but my question is, nowadays some countries use electronic entry without stamping the passport(Australia, for example), thus leaving no traces on passport. How can the interviewer verify it in this case? or they just estimate?? this sounds kind of loose to me.
 
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IRCC, CBSA, and CSIS have access to the internationally shared databases for this kind of thing and can easily verify entry to countries that don't stamp the passport.
 

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IRCC, CBSA, and CSIS have access to the internationally shared databases for this kind of thing and can easily verify entry to countries that don't stamp the passport.
CBSA records only entries into Canada. and I doubt the possibility that CIC will request IRCC to ask for international data for its citizenship application, there are so many countries out there and not all of them are willing to share data with Canada.
 

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CBSA records only entries into Canada. and I doubt the possibility that CIC will request IRCC to ask for international data for its citizenship application, there are so many countries out there and not all of them are willing to share data with Canada.
Go read this -> https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/the-anatomy-of-a-background-check-in-depth-analysis.500146/

Also, you do know that CIC and IRCC are the same thing? https://www.cicnews.com/2016/02/citizenship-immigration-canada-cic-rebrands-immigration-refugees-citizenship-canada-ircc-027245.html#gs.3gliio
 

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Even after an applicant is granted PR status, CSIS continues to monitor his activities, as another security screening is done when the PR applies for citizenship.

When you apply for Citizenship, CSIS does another exhaustive security check. And yes, they will check international databases.
 

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I have a friend who recently got citizenship interview, the interviewer went through his entry stamps of foreign countries to verify his exits out of Canada.

but my question is, nowadays some countries use electronic entry without stamping the passport(Australia, for example), thus leaving no traces on passport. How can the interviewer verify it in this case? or they just estimate?? this sounds kind of loose to me.
They will check all the passport stamps that you have. The idea is: If all the ones that you have match your story, they assume that even the exits/entries that didn't come with a stamp are probably fine.
 
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The observations and references offered by @21Goose are overly broad relative to the IRCC process of assessing/verifying a citizenship applicant's travel history and presence calculation. The role of CSIS (as to citizenship applicants), for example, is to screen for SECURITY concerns (which can include criminal activity or associations), not to verify the citizenship applicant's travel history.

I have a friend who recently got citizenship interview, the interviewer went through his entry stamps of foreign countries to verify his exits out of Canada.

but my question is, nowadays some countries use electronic entry without stamping the passport(Australia, for example), thus leaving no traces on passport. How can the interviewer verify it in this case? or they just estimate?? this sounds kind of loose to me.
The response offered by @spyfy covers what an applicant needs to know. Yes, passport entries are examined and compared to information submitted by the applicant. If the information is consistent, generally all is well. Fact there is no stamp or passport entry for some, or many, or for some of us even all reported border crossing history, is common. Not a problem.

My perception is that your question is broader than that. And it is a question many ask. Mostly out of curiosity, I'd venture. Though some are clearly wondering to what extent, and HOW, IRCC knows if and when an applicant has provided erroneous information, especially omitted travel outside Canada. Whether this is because they are worried they overlooked and failed to report a trip, or otherwise made an error, or whether they are wondering to what extent might fudging or estimating travel (without disclosing the fact it is an estimation) be OK, or even if they can outright get away with not disclosing a trip, the reason for asking undoubtedly varies from the innocent to the not-quite-innocent. But many do ask.

They ask: "How does IRCC verify or check or know whether the applicant's travel history is complete and accurate?"

You referenced one source IRCC can and often accesses (always? we do not know): the PR's CBSA travel history. Even though this is increasingly a complete history of the individual's ENTRIES into Canada, it is still not relied on to be complete. There is also possible access to database records which do show some or many EXITS from Canada, which data is populated in part based on land crossing entry into the U.S. data that is shared between the U.S. and Canada, and in part by other sources of information in different databases or databanks, including what the Canadian government calls Personal Information Banks (PIBs). So far, access to the CBSA travel history of ENTRIES into Canada is clearly routine. Access to and consideration of EXIT data does not yet appear to be routine.

In its consideration of the CBSA information, IRCC is primarily looking for inconsistencies in the applicant's travel history.

For the vast majority of qualified applicants who completely and properly provide the information and documents requested, IRCC will (in effect) INFER the applicant was physically present in Canada from the date of a reported ENTRY and subsequent days until the next reported date of EXIT. Indeed, this is precisely HOW THE ONLINE PRESENCE CALCULATOR WORKS. The calculator counts all days of entry and exit, and all days between an entry and the next exit, as days IN Canada.

BUT OF COURSE IRCC does not blindly accept this as for-sure complete and accurate. So additional information is considered. The CBSA information, for example, may be considered. If it is entirely consistent with the applicant's information, corroborating the applicant's dates of travel, that allows IRCC to rely more on the applicant's account. Then the applicant's passport is examined in the interview, again looking for inconsistencies, for any information which might suggest there is what CIC formally referred to, in past operational guidelines, as reasons-to-question-residency. Likewise the applicant's responses to casual questions, which might include questions about where the applicant currently works or lives or shops . . . the interviewer is (in addition to verifying applicant's ability in an official language) probing to see if there are inconsistencies or incongruities, anything suspicious, anything which, again, might be a reason-to-question-residency.

Moreover, IRCC does not evaluate this information in a vacuum. Information sources are not considered, let alone relied upon, in silos. Probably the most pervasive tool used by CBSA and IRCC officials is comparison and cross-checking. Again, for incongruities or anomalies as well as overt inconsistencies. The details in the applicant's work history, address history, and travel history are compared and cross-checked, and these in turn can be compared with and cross-checked against other information from various sources. Including cross-checking information in other PIBs maintained by IRCC. And here again, looking for anything which might be a reason-to-question-residency.

IRCC can also, and sometimes does, access outside information sources, including open sources (telephone directories, public information about a business the applicant reports being employed by, among many other sources), including Internet open sources (for example, LinkedIn pops up in more than a few IRCC cases as a source of information triggering suspicions about a client).

As I noted, the interviewer, or the Citizenship Officer responsible for making decisions on the application, can access the applicant's information in other immigration related data maintained by IRCC, and compare and cross-check that information with all the other information the interviewer or officer is reviewing. My GUESS is that this is a triage process. For most applicants, nothing tickles or triggers concerns, and the official will not likely go on a fishing expedition UNLESS there is something which suggests a reason to engage in further cross-checks. There are numerous PIBs containing immigration client information; which particular PIBs are relevant to a particular PR applying for citizenship will depend, for example, on that individual's immigration history. Thus, for example, there is a particular PIB for "Permanent Economic Residents," and a separate one for resettlement refugees, and another for both the sponsors and sponsored PR. And so on.

See a list with descriptions of IRCC PIBs here:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/access-information-privacy/info-source/personal-information-banks.html

Bottom-line: IRCC goes with the online presence calculation, including its inherent inference of presence between a reported date of entry until the next reported date of exit . . . UNLESS and UNTIL it identifies reason to question the veracity of the applicant's information. IRCC considers a lot of information in this process. If no reason to doubt the applicant's account is discovered, which is how it goes in the vast majority of cases, IRCC concludes the presence requirement is satisfied.

Edit to add, to be clear: If in its evaluation of all the available information IRCC concludes there is no reason to doubt the applicant's accounting of travel and thus the applicant's output from the online presence calculator, and it shows 1095 or more days present, IRCC is satisfied the presence requirement is met. IN CONTRAST, if IRCC does identify or perceive some reason to question or doubt the applicant's information, depending on the nature and scope of concern IRCC may note the concern but be satisfied anyway given the information sufficiently shows the requirement was met notwithstanding that concern . . . which may, for example, include asking the applicant about the concern in the Interview. Applicants report, for example, overlooking trips for as much as three weeks, being asked about, acknowledging the oversight, but given a buffer large enough to easily accommodate the mistake, NO problem.

In contrast, if IRCC identifies a reason-to-question-residency (presence), and the concern is not readily resolved, that typically triggers a residency-case, or presence-case (whatever language is now in use), and there is a request the applicant provide further information and documentation to establish presence. For this process see discussions about RQ and related procedures.
 
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IRCC, CBSA, and CSIS have access to the internationally shared databases for this kind of thing and can easily verify entry to countries that don't stamp the passport.
As I previously noted, the observations and references you offered are overly broad relative to the IRCC process of assessing/verifying a citizenship applicant's travel history and presence calculation. As I stated, the role of CSIS, as to citizenship applicants is not to verify the citizenship applicant's travel history. Indeed, there is NO hint that CSIS plays any role in verifying an applicant's travel history . . . unless, of course, that information is incidental to an identified security concern. The CSIS background check FOR CITIZENSHIP APPLICANTS is for security matters, including foreign criminal activity or ties. Not to verify travel history. (Also note that the forum discussion you link about background checks is primarily about screening Foreign Nationals, NOT Canadians (that is, not Canadian PRs or Canadian citizens.)


Data-sharing with other countries:

While it is a totally separate discussion, for another example the typical data sharing relationship with other countries (other than the U.S., with whom Canada has a much more robust information sharing relationship) structures and limits the personal information shared, typically requiring a formal query conditioned on meeting specified needs-conditions. (While the queries are formal, they may be electronic and provide an automatic response.)

Just as an example of immigration related data sharing between Canada and New Zealand, see the Memorandum of Arrangement governing sharing such client data between these countries and the two annexes to that memorandum:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/memorandum-arrangement-canada-border-services-agency-new-zealand-ministry-business-innovation.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/memorandum-arrangement-canada-border-services-agency-new-zealand-ministry-business-innovation/annex-automated-exchange.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/memorandum-arrangement-canada-border-services-agency-new-zealand-ministry-business-innovation/annex.html

Gets complicated. If you bother to wade through the weeds you will discern this information sharing relationship is NOT a routine source of information which would be utilized to verify a citizenship applicant's travel history. Especially NOT for PRs who are New Zealand citizens, recognizing that many, if not most such agreements exclude sharing data for the respective country's nationals . . . indeed, this had also been true even in the U.S./Canada arrangement until quite recently . . . thus, for example, until recently, the entry-into-the-U.S. information accessible by Canadian authorities was NOT accessible for U.S. citizens, such as one who is a Canadian PR applying for Canadian citizenship.


Moreover there is a huge, huge difference between what information a government body, like IRCC, can routinely access, what it does access, VERSUS what can be accessed if there are particular grounds justifying the access. Note, in particular, access to information about individuals is NOT open across government bodies in Canada. Some data banks have broader access than others, including those the Canadian government describes as "Personal Information Banks" (basically databases in which information about a particular individual can be accessed or retrieved using one form of identifier or another). And there are often various levels of access into some data.

For example, many CBSA and IRCC officials have authority to access an individual client's GCMS file (which now fully includes what was formerly maintained in FOSS) . . . but CRA officials do not have such access. But even the access an IRCC agent has is structured and limited; the help centre call agents, for example, only see a limited view of certain fields in the GCMS for a given client.

CBSA border officers and some IRCC officials can routinely access a database that is based on the information in the RCMP NAME-RECORD criminal history database and in the similar U.S. NCIC criminal history database (essentially the FBI's name-record criminal database), and probably INTERPOL, and perhaps others. BUT this does NOT give the border officer routine access to RCMP, FBI, INTERPOL, or such database information about suspects or known associates of criminals. The name-record check is generally limited to formal records of arrest, charges/indictments, and dispositions in those cases.

The latter is why, for example, even though the GCMS background check, which an IRCC processing agent or officer MUST do whenever taking any action on a citizenship application, will include any name-record hit in at least the RCMP and U.S. NCIC criminal history databases (probably INTERPOL as well), there is a separate referral to the RCMP to conduct a criminal background check. The latter is more expansive and includes access to more robust databases, including identified suspects not charged with an offence (what is done with the information is still a separate matter), individuals known to be associated with criminal activities or organizations, and so on. Note, for example, the RCMP clearance can include a fingerprint based search. GCMS, in contrast, only involves a name-record search.


As I noted above, the primary tool employed by IRCC is their well-heeled proficiency in conducting data comparison and cross-checking.

This includes potentially comparing information stored about the client in the IRCC PIBs . . . for list and description of IRCC PIBs, again see

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/access-information-privacy/info-source/personal-information-banks.html

I do not have a link or even recall the name of the topic, but in another topic some time ago I also outlined and discussed in some depth a number of databanks maintained by CBSA. Here somewhere. Either in this conference, about citizenship, or in the PR Obligations conference.
 
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I had my interview 3 weeks ago, and some of the dates for travelling were not stamped on my passport. I submitted my proof of travel via email the day after my interview. I used my email confirmation of flight bookings as verification as they stated this was all they needed.

My application is still "in process" and hasn't changed since.
 

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In addition to the above, IRCC’s checking of my personal CBSA travel history was thorough and identified an error in my residency calculations.
They discovered, right at the very beginning of my eligibility period, that I had been in Canada for a vacation that I had not claimed physical presence for. I ended up with more physical presence days than expected :) They confirmed this with the stamp in my passport, that I had missed.
 

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In addition to the above, IRCC’s checking of my personal CBSA travel history was thorough and identified an error in my residency calculations.
They discovered, right at the very beginning of my eligibility period, that I had been in Canada for a vacation that I had not claimed physical presence for. I ended up with more physical presence days than expected :) They confirmed this with the stamp in my passport, that I had missed.
This reminds me of a particular tangent in CIC/IRCC assessing applicant's accounting of travel history and physical presence. Many seem to be unaware of the significance of this tangent: Even mistakes like under reporting absences can raise questions, and in some cases hurt the case.

The applicant's CREDIBILITY looms very, very large. And credibility is NOT merely about honesty BUT about being AN ACCURATE REPORTER of the facts. So any inconsistencies can compromise an applicant's credibility, because inconsistencies show the applicant to NOT BE AN ACCURATE REPORTER. When a significant discrepancy or inconsistency is identified, the natural question the decision-maker often asks is "WHY?"

A mere oversight? Mistaken memory? Faulty records? Or does the error indicate the applicant is an unreliable reporter . . . or, perhaps, not an honest reporter?

This tangent illustrates that NOT all mistakes are created equal. IRCC officials are very well acquainted with the fact that many if not most applicants make some mistakes, and many make mistakes in the data they enter in the online presence calculator. IRCC officials get it. They have perspective. Minor errors do not cause a problem (unless they indicate a deduction in days present and the applicant does not have enough of a buffer to accommodate the deduction -- one day less than 1095 means an applicant is NOT qualified). IRCC officials most often (but sure, not always) apprehend the nature and effect of mistakes REASONABLY. The vast majority of relatively small mistakes are perceived to be merely unintentional oversights by a person otherwise reliably providing the information requested.

As I noted in the edit of a post above, even when the interviewer or Citizenship Officer sees a mistake, an inconsistency or discrepancy . . . "depending on the nature and scope of concern IRCC may note the concern but be satisfied anyway given the information sufficiently shows the requirement was met notwithstanding that concern . . . which may, for example, include asking the applicant about the concern in the Interview."

BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE: TRAVEL HISTORY INCONSISTENT WITH OTHER INFORMATION CAN COMPROMISE THE APPLICANT'S CREDIBILITY EVEN IF THE MISTAKE SUGGESTS THE APPLICANT WAS PRESENT MORE DAYS.

I emphasized that IRCC officials get it. They have perspective. Not all mistakes are created equal. So a mistake such as that reported by @zardoz does not ordinarily cause a problem. But for even a small and largely immaterial error like this, there is a significant chance it will be addressed in the interview (as apparently it was in this instance), and the interviewer will be assessing how the applicant responds . . . including any hint or clue something is askance and there is more to it than merely an oversight.

Which brings this back around to if and when IRCC identifies reasons-to-question-residency (presence). As I previously noted, if IRCC identifies a reason-to-question-residency, that typically triggers non-routine processing which includes the RQ (Residence Questionnaire). There is an oft referenced Federal Court decision in which the Citizenship Judge concluded (and the FC concurred) that a key factor in the determination the applicant failed to prove sufficient actual presence WAS EVIDENCE SHE WAS IN CANADA DURING A PERIOD OF TIME SHE REPORTED BEING OUTSIDE CANADA. My initial reaction was HUH? How could evidence of being in Canada MORE than she reported be used to conclude she had failed to sufficiently prove actual presence for the required period of time?

In that case the applicant was issued RQ. In response she provided various evidence supporting her case, but there were a number of inconsistencies and discrepancies in her evidence. A big one, focused on by the Minister, the Citizenship Judge, and the Federal Court justice, was the documentation provided for the applicant's children's school attendance (I think it was pre-school), which was submitted to corroborate her claims to being present with her young children. Those attendance records showed her children at the pre-school during a period of weeks when the applicant reported they were all abroad. This period of time was NOT added to her presence calculation, not by the Minister, the Citizenship Judge, or the Federal Court justice. Rather, it was considered strong evidence the applicant was NOT credible, NOT a reliable reporter, and thus she had failed to meet her burden of proof. DENIED.

That was perhaps a rather extreme case. That discrepancy, in that applicant's information, was not an isolated one.

But I offer this to emphasize (1) the huge importance of credibility, and (2) that credibility is NOT merely about HONESTY, but about how reliable a reporter of fact the individual is perceived to be. AND a lot of what IRCC is doing, in the process of evaluating the completeness and accuracy of the applicant's travel history and presence calculation, is assessing the applicant's credibility.