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A friend of mine who applied in November 21 just got the PPR today.

I’m still waiting for my SA, medical and biometrics request. ( file received - January 24, AOR- March 14) :(
 

patelboss

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A friend of mine who applied in November 21 just got the PPR today.

I’m still waiting for my SA, medical and biometrics request. ( file received - January 24, AOR- March 14) :(
I got my SA, Medical and Biometrics request on the same day of AOR. you will get it soon buddy.
 
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07-12-2018
AOR Received.
07-02-2019
File Transfer...
11-03-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
11-03-2019
VISA ISSUED...
24-05-2019
Based on this detailed explanation, is it so that those files which are transferred to CPC-M are straight forward ?
Yes, though the way they define "straightforward" is uncertain, as they redacted the pages that detail their specific criteria, unfortunately. I would be most curious about this part, since our application by all accounts should be fairly straightforward, but it didn't stay in Mississauga. The bulletin does state that the application must meet all criteria, so if there's even just one you don't meet you're going to your local VO (e.g. my partner and I were legally married for less than a year when we filed -- is that one of the criteria? Who knows!).
 
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patelboss

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Yes, though the way they define "straightforward" is uncertain, as they redacted the pages that detail their specific criteria, unfortunately. I would be most curious about this part, since our application by all accounts should be fairly straightforward, but it didn't stay in Mississauga. The bulletin does state that the application must meet all criteria, so if there's even just one you don't meet you're going to your local VO (e.g. my partner and I were legally married for less than a year when we filed -- is that one of the criteria? Who knows!).
Even me and my partner are married for less than 1 year when we applied. lets see where our application goes.
 

syz2yeg

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Mar 25, 2019
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Hello just wanted to give an update on our situation as we have not yet received AOR1 as a January applicant. Just called CIC and they said that they have received our application but that they are still reviewing it before sending out the email. This gives us some comfort as at least we are in the que and the paperwork hasn't been lost/forgotten.

We are still hopeful and anxious to get the AOR1 email soon. Hopefully this helps people that are in a similar position.

Application Received Jan 23
 

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e.g. my partner and I were legally married for less than a year when we filed -- is that one of the criteria?
I don't think so. I'm closely watching January spreadsheet, and right now there's 76% of applications that have been transferred to CPC-M, and this number continues to grow. Unfortunately December spreadsheet and all previous ones don't have this data in the same format, so it's hard to compare, but it looks like starting Jan 2019 almost all applications are transferred to CPC-M. Does that mean that all 76% are straightforward? Does that mean all 76% of couples have been married for more than a year? I doubt this. Maybe CIC have really changed the internal processes this year, or maybe if we had had the same format of last year spreadsheets, we would have seen the same number? I don't know.

I broke my brain trying to figure out the pattern. But there's always one factor that plays against any theory: literally all (except maybe one member on this forum) applicants from India have been transferred to CPC-M. All Indian applications are straightforward? Definitely not. But that one exception I mentioned above with an Indian application that has been sent to NDVO also underlines that not 100% of Indian applicants are eligible for CPC-M. Another question is if sending an app to CPC-M depends on how busy a VO is. If it's so, then why applications who have to be sent to Mexico are waiting for months just to get a chance to be sent? Looks like Mexico VO is one of the busiest, and still those applications are not going to CPC-M. It's a mystery...
 

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I don't think so. I'm closely watching January spreadsheet, and right now there's 76% of applications that have been transferred to CPC-M, and this number continues to grow. Unfortunately December spreadsheet and all previous ones don't have this data in the same format, so it's hard to compare, but it looks like starting Jan 2019 almost all applications are transferred to CPC-M. Does that mean that all 76% are straightforward? Does that mean all 76% of couples have been married for more than a year? I doubt this. Maybe CIC have really changed the internal processes this year, or maybe if we had had the same format of last year spreadsheets, we would have seen the same number? I don't know.

I broke my brain trying to figure out the pattern. But there's always one factor that plays against any theory: literally all (except maybe one member on this forum) applicants from India have been transferred to CPC-M. All Indian applications are straightforward? Definitely not. But that one exception I mentioned above with an Indian application that has been sent to NDVO also underlines that not 100% of Indian applicants are eligible for CPC-M. Another question is if sending an app to CPC-M depends on how busy a VO is. If it's so, then why applications who have to be sent to Mexico are waiting for months just to get a chance to be sent? Looks like Mexico VO is one of the busiest, and still those applications are not going to CPC-M. It's a mystery...
I must compliment, you have really done a good analysis. There was link posted by someone in last page which talked about triage criteria.
This criteria must be highly confidential and there was nothing I could find on internet. Definitely marriage less than a year is not one of the criteria as most of the partners would not wait for more than a year to be with their spouse. Busy VO must be one the reason, and hence they must have adopted a process of transferring most of the apps to Mississauga first and see which ones can be done by them.
 
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schweisy

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App. Filed.......
07-12-2018
AOR Received.
07-02-2019
File Transfer...
11-03-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
11-03-2019
VISA ISSUED...
24-05-2019
I don't think so. I'm closely watching January spreadsheet, and right now there's 76% of applications that have been transferred to CPC-M, and this number continues to grow. Unfortunately December spreadsheet and all previous ones don't have this data in the same format, so it's hard to compare, but it looks like starting Jan 2019 almost all applications are transferred to CPC-M. Does that mean that all 76% are straightforward? Does that mean all 76% of couples have been married for more than a year? I doubt this. Maybe CIC have really changed the internal processes this year, or maybe if we had had the same format of last year spreadsheets, we would have seen the same number? I don't know.

I broke my brain trying to figure out the pattern. But there's always one factor that plays against any theory: literally all (except maybe one member on this forum) applicants from India have been transferred to CPC-M. All Indian applications are straightforward? Definitely not. But that one exception I mentioned above with an Indian application that has been sent to NDVO also underlines that not 100% of Indian applicants are eligible for CPC-M. Another question is if sending an app to CPC-M depends on how busy a VO is. If it's so, then why applications who have to be sent to Mexico are waiting for months just to get a chance to be sent? Looks like Mexico VO is one of the busiest, and still those applications are not going to CPC-M. It's a mystery...
Oh yes, please don't misunderstand: that was completely a made-up example to show how arbitrary "straightforward" could be! I debated not even including it because I didn't want anyone to get hung up on it or accidentally start a rumour. :p

There are least two Indian applicants in the December thread who have not been transferred to CPC-M, but apart from that, I tend to think the Indian applicants are a separate case anyway. If you refer back to the thread I posted originally about that bulletin, there were some people talking about how they had "OB570" written in their notes, and some others had something like "back office pilot CPC-M." The latter seems to be the scheme Indian applicants are being processed under, whereas the scheme outlined in OB570 seems to be the one that determines whether other applicants (e.g. Australians, Brits, etc) go to CPC-M or not.

I don't think we'll ever be able to figure it out, because clearly an application has to meet an entire set of criteria, some of which may be simply what their citizenship is -- this could also be why so many Mexico applicants are still going there. If they see many of the countries served by Mexico as "higher risk" then they will go there because they fail to meet that criteria, even if they meet every other one.

Not going to lie though, I'd LOVE to get my hands on those actual triage criteria and know once and for all! :D
 

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I must compliment, you have really done a good analysis. There was link posted by someone in last page which talked about triage criteria.
This criteria must be highly confidential and there was nothing I could find on internet. Definitely marriage less than a year is not one of the criteria as most of the partners would not wait for more than a year to be with their spouse. Busy VO must be one the reason, and hence they must have adopted a process of transferring most of the apps to Mississauga first and see which ones can be done by them.
Of course I've read that post about triage criteria :) But thanks for mentioning it anyway. Basically what I got out of that post was "Ok, we have some criteria based on which we decide whether or not we're gonna send an app to CPC-M, but we won't say those criteria". Well, not that much helpful cz we've already known there should be some criteria for that :)
 
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07-12-2018
AOR Received.
07-02-2019
File Transfer...
11-03-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
11-03-2019
VISA ISSUED...
24-05-2019
I must compliment, you have really done a good analysis. There was link posted by someone in last page which talked about triage criteria.
This criteria must be highly confidential and there was nothing I could find on internet. Definitely marriage less than a year is not one of the criteria as most of the partners would not wait for more than a year to be with their spouse. Busy VO must be one the reason, and hence they must have adopted a process of transferring most of the apps to Mississauga first and see which ones can be done by them.
Yes, I was the one who posted the first link to the operational bulletin with the triage criteria redacted. The original user who acquired that bulletin got it through freedom of information laws, so we definitely are very unlikely to find anything about it on the internet anywhere.
 
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schweisy

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App. Filed.......
07-12-2018
AOR Received.
07-02-2019
File Transfer...
11-03-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
11-03-2019
VISA ISSUED...
24-05-2019
Of course I've read that post about triage criteria :) But thanks for mentioning it anyway. Basically what I got out of that post was "Ok, we have some criteria based on which we decide whether or not we're gonna send an app to CPC-M, but we won't say those criteria". Well, not that much helpful cz we've already known there should be some criteria for that :)
I did find it helpful to know that it wasn't strictly about VO workload and that it was indeed in part about how straightforward your application was. Most of all I found it good to know that you had to meet all criteria to go to CPC-M. It helped reassure me that our case wasn't seen as somehow not "straightforward" enough! :p

This is a totally minor thing, but I also was interested to know that they send our physical documents abroad, not just a digital version.:D
 

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Oh yes, please don't misunderstand: that was completely a made-up example to show how arbitrary "straightforward" could be! I debated not even including it because I didn't want anyone to get hung up on it or accidentally start a rumour. :p

There are least two Indian applicants in the December thread who have not been transferred to CPC-M, but apart from that, I tend to think the Indian applicants are a separate case anyway. If you refer back to the thread I posted originally about that bulletin, there were some people talking about how they had "OB570" written in their notes, and some others had something like "back office pilot CPC-M." The latter seems to be the scheme Indian applicants are being processed under, whereas the scheme outlined in OB570 seems to be the one that determines whether other applicants (e.g. Australians, Brits, etc) go to CPC-M or not.

I don't think we'll ever be able to figure it out, because clearly an application has to meet an entire set of criteria, some of which may be simply what their citizenship is -- this could also be why so many Mexico applicants are still going there. If they see many of the countries served by Mexico as "higher risk" then they will go there because they fail to meet that criteria, even if they meet every other one.

Not going to lie though, I'd LOVE to get my hands on those actual triage criteria and know once and for all! :D
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If you check any spreadsheet, number of Indian applicants is the biggest hence Indian visa office can’t handle that many files so almost every single file is sent to cpc-m with the exception of few where they think that it’s necessary to check/assess PA’s background by Indian office itself.
 

alaria

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This is a totally minor thing, but I also was interested to know that they send our physical documents abroad, not just a digital version.:D
That was one of my biggest concerns especially after someone mentioned that CIC send only scanned copies. I was worried that most of my docs wouldn't be sent and it's actually good everything I've sent will be available to a final visa officer reviewing our application :)
 
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