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November 2018 Outland Applicants (Spousal Sponsorship)

saddlepatch

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Category........
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Visa Office......
Mississauga
App. Filed.......
19-11-2018
Doc's Request.
02-26-2019
AOR Received.
21-01-2019
Med's Request
05-02-2019
Med's Done....
08-02-2019
Passport Req..
22-03-2019
we got a message saying they need me to provide proof I'm returning to Canada (applied outland, I'm the sponsor living in the US).

The thing is we can't really provide most of what they're asking as my mom has agreed to take us in (So no need to look for rentals) and I already provided them with a letter from her, signed with a copy of her most recent hydro bill at the time for proof of residence at the address, and I included an interview offer from a friend that was also signed. I also included a signed letter from my current employer stating he is aware that I'll be resigning to move back home in the Fall.

Can I find some insurance quotes from Car Insurance places in Canada and submit those? Or can I just resubmit what I have and also include that I have a bank account still active and I'm paying off a current debt?

I'm just worried if the letter from my mom agreeing to house without rent, the interview request and my employers letter, if that wasn't enough, how will it be a second time?

Really could use some help.

We are moving on our own, not renting a truck as we don't have enough stuff for a u-haul, so that's also not an option to include, unless it wouldn't hurt to just get a quote?

Thanks in advance!
 
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JoshC

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Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mississauga, ON
App. Filed.......
21-11-2018
AOR Received.
29-01-2019
File Transfer...
27-02-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
25-02-2019
Passport Req..
14-05-2019
VISA ISSUED...
30-05-2019
we got a message saying they need me to provide proof I'm returning to Canada (applied outland, I'm the sponsor living in the US).

The thing is we can't really provide most of what they're asking as my mom has agreed to take us in (So no need to look for rentals) and I already provided them with a letter from her, signed with a copy of her most recent hydro bill at the time for proof of residence at the address, and I included an interview offer from a friend that was also signed. I also included a signed letter from my current employer stating he is aware that I'll be resigning to move back home in the Fall.

Can I find some insurance quotes from Car Insurance places in Canada and submit those? Or can I just resubmit what I have and also include that I have a bank account still active and I'm paying off a current debt?

I'm just worried if the letter from my mom agreeing to house without rent, the interview request and my employers letter, if that wasn't enough, how will it be a second time?

Really could use some help.

We are moving on our own, not renting a truck as we don't have enough stuff for a u-haul, so that's also not an option to include, unless it wouldn't hurt to just get a quote?

Thanks in advance!
I've had a little dig around the forums and come across a few things you could do to bolster your proof:
  • Proof of your Canadian bank account and maintaining finances - I'd include statements showing you're paying off debts still and still have an active account. If you're still actively using any credit cards and such also show that.
  • Letters from friends and family - I can see you've already got some stuff from your Mom, but if you can get them from siblings (if you have any) or friends, that would help your case. All of them need to really hit home your intent to settle in Canada.
  • Proof of rental searches in the area you're looking to move to - Include this in the letter I mention below stating your planning for life after you've landed at your mothers. It would also help to even engage with a couple or realtors and send copies of that in.
  • Chat transcripts - between you and friends/family showing your intent to move back and maybe plans you've made for your return.
  • Quotes from U-Haul - will also be great, you're showing you're making plans to move and ship your personal belongings.

Finally, and most importantly. I'd write a detailed letter of your plan for once you get there, they want to see that you have something planned out for when you return, include the fact you'll be staying with your Mom when you land and what you plan to do after that. What your plans for your partner are and so on and so forth.
 
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saddlepatch

Star Member
Oct 1, 2012
197
51
35
Sun City Center, Florida
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mississauga
App. Filed.......
19-11-2018
Doc's Request.
02-26-2019
AOR Received.
21-01-2019
Med's Request
05-02-2019
Med's Done....
08-02-2019
Passport Req..
22-03-2019
I've had a little dig around the forums and come across a few things you could do to bolster your proof:
  • Proof of your Canadian bank account and maintaining finances - I'd include statements showing you're paying off debts still and still have an active account. If you're still actively using any credit cards and such also show that.
  • Letters from friends and family - I can see you've already got some stuff from your Mom, but if you can get them from siblings (if you have any) or friends, that would help your case. All of them need to really hit home your intent to settle in Canada.
  • Proof of rental searches in the area you're looking to move to - Include this in the letter I mention below stating your planning for life after you've landed at your mothers. It would also help to even engage with a couple or realtors and send copies of that in.
  • Chat transcripts - between you and friends/family showing your intent to move back and maybe plans you've made for your return.
  • Quotes from U-Haul - will also be great, you're showing you're making plans to move and ship your personal belongings.

Finally, and most importantly. I'd write a detailed letter of your plan for once you get there, they want to see that you have something planned out for when you return, include the fact you'll be staying with your Mom when you land and what you plan to do after that. What your plans for your partner are and so on and so forth.
I went ahead and grabbed copies of statements showing payments being made to my credit card with RBC which I still have a debt for, so that's great they sound like they would accept that.

I was going to reach out and get a letter from my cousin saying that I actually intend to lease a horse from her when I return. Do you think that would help? Or just an overall acknowledgement that she knows we're coming home and that she even has a horse ready for me to lease?

We have plans to remain at my mothers for quite sometime. I feel reaching out would be pointless, but I can try and see if a realtor will keep and eye out for us. My step-brother is actually a realtor so maybe he can write something up for me saying he has our needs written down and is actively searching while we save?

I fear my chats are mainly about trying to find proof....I know I might have some with my cousin that may help, but they talk about moving to Alberta and finding a home in Alberta which is not where I state on my application where I'd be moving too. Would that hurt? The context is referring to in the future not when I land back home.

Although we have 0 plans to rent a uhaul as we just don't have the amount of belongings, would getting a quote for the bed at least suffice? we may or may not ship it.

Lastly, would resubmitting and updated letter from my mom and employer help?
 
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Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mississauga, ON
App. Filed.......
21-11-2018
AOR Received.
29-01-2019
File Transfer...
27-02-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
25-02-2019
Passport Req..
14-05-2019
VISA ISSUED...
30-05-2019
I went ahead and grabbed copies of statements showing payments being made to my credit card with RBC which I still have a debt for, so that's great they sound like they would accept that.

I was going to reach out and get a letter from my cousin saying that I actually intend to lease a horse from her when I return. Do you think that would help? Or just an overall acknowledgement that she knows we're coming home and that she even has a horse ready for me to lease?

We have plans to remain at my mothers for quite sometime. I feel reaching out would be pointless, but I can try and see if a realtor will keep and eye out for us. My step-brother is actually a realtor so maybe he can write something up for me saying he has our needs written down and is actively searching while we save?

I fear my chats are mainly about trying to find proof....I know I might have some with my cousin that may help, but they talk about moving to Alberta and finding a home in Alberta which is not where I state on my application where I'd be moving too. Would that hurt? The context is referring to in the future not when I land back home.

Although we have 0 plans to rent a uhaul as we just don't have the amount of belongings, would getting a quote for the bed at least suffice? we may or may not ship it.

Lastly, would resubmitting and updated letter from my mom and employer help?
The letter from your cousin will be good even for the acknowledgment that you're making plans for your return to Canada. I'd submit a further letter from your mother outlining that she's happy for you both to stay with her and that this will be your home for the foreseeable future before you move on to a home of your own - if she's allowing you to stay there rent-free I'd also mention that, if not, maybe set up a basic lease agreement with her and use that as further evidence.

I don't think the chats would cause any issues if you're looking at where you want to move in the future - you're still talking about your intent to move back to Canada. If anything you're even looking into future plans. Resubmitting your employer letter and the interview letter can't hurt either.

Have you written a letter to outline your plans for arrival and what you're going to be doing, looking for jobs in a certain field and such? What your PA's plans are? This would really help and coupled with the evidence you've already got should tick all the boxes for CIC.
 

saddlepatch

Star Member
Oct 1, 2012
197
51
35
Sun City Center, Florida
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mississauga
App. Filed.......
19-11-2018
Doc's Request.
02-26-2019
AOR Received.
21-01-2019
Med's Request
05-02-2019
Med's Done....
08-02-2019
Passport Req..
22-03-2019
I've had a little dig around the forums and come across a few things you could do to bolster your proof:
  • Proof of your Canadian bank account and maintaining finances - I'd include statements showing you're paying off debts still and still have an active account. If you're still actively using any credit cards and such also show that.
  • Letters from friends and family - I can see you've already got some stuff from your Mom, but if you can get them from siblings (if you have any) or friends, that would help your case. All of them need to really hit home your intent to settle in Canada.
  • Proof of rental searches in the area you're looking to move to - Include this in the letter I mention below stating your planning for life after you've landed at your mothers. It would also help to even engage with a couple or realtors and send copies of that in.
  • Chat transcripts - between you and friends/family showing your intent to move back and maybe plans you've made for your return.
  • Quotes from U-Haul - will also be great, you're showing you're making plans to move and ship your personal belongings.

Finally, and most importantly. I'd write a detailed letter of your plan for once you get there, they want to see that you have something planned out for when you return, include the fact you'll be staying with your Mom when you land and what you plan to do after that. What your plans for your partner are and so on and so forth.
How does this look to you?


"Dear Immigration and Citizenship Canada/whomever it may concern,

Please find enclosed with this email, the requested documentation that was asked for on February 26, 2019 regarding proof of intend to return to Canada.

This includes:
-Recent statements from Royal Bank of Canada, showing an active account with a debt balance being paid off (Sponsor’s account)

- Job Applications submitted via Indeed.ca to by the sponsor to jobs in the local area to where we will be residing in Canada

- The sponsors updated resume submitted with the above applications

-An updated letter from the Sponsor’s employer, aware of their intent to return to Canada and their resignation.

-An updated letter from the Sponsor’s mother, showing intent to house upon return, without financial obligation

-A car insurance Quote from _______ for our 2012 Mazda CX7

-A moving shipping quote from _______ for our mattress.

-Letters from family

-Detailed letter of intent, in the body of the email below written in collaboration from the Sponsor and Principal Applicant:


We are excited to settle down in Canada after having realized that the US isn’t for us. It was a learning curve for us both and now with a clear idea of what we want and desire going forward, we know where exactly we wish to accomplish those goals.

Over the last two years, we have actively talked about not only relocating back to Canada but finally purchasing our first home. Of course, we are still at the beginning of that dream, as we were unsure where our future was leading us as we tried to reside in the US in attempt to settle here. Although, thanks to the offered help of housing us rent free from (The Sponsors) mother, we are able to finally start to see our dreams of one day owning a home become a reality, as we are eager to return and start to save up for our house where we can settle down and start a family.

Our goals are to save enough to put a down deposit on a home once we return. We are eager to purchase property with some land in either northern Ontario, Alberta or British Columbia, although we have been heavily leaning toward Alberta as of late.

Another huge drive why we are moving back to Canada is because Sponsors side of the family all lives there. Due to the nature of our relationship (Same-sex marriage), my parents (the Principal Applicant) have not been supportive and have showed zero interest of wanting to accept us back into their lives. After almost two years of not talking to them, it’s clear that we are not in their future, so therefore we have made the choice to exclude them from ours as well.


Sponsors family, however, have been more than welcoming and supportive of our marriage, offering moral support and love for so many years. When we go to visit, everything feels right at home back in Canada and every time we leave to return to the US, we are devastated and it takes us a while to get back to our normal lives.
Should we have children of our own after settling in to our own home, we want them to have a supportive network of family members, that they wouldn’t otherwise get down here in the US. We also want them to grow up in safe, welcoming and accepting country that is progressive.

So our plans, in summary, when we return are as follows:

- To live with Sponsors mother in Port Stanley, Ontario which will gives us the opportunity to save for our future as we will be living rent-free.

-In about 2-3 years time, we would like to purchase a home in either Northern Ontario or Alberta

- While we wait, we want to spend as much time as possible with family, as some of them are getting older and we don’t want to waste any more time than we feel we have while in the United States.

- We want to explore more of Canada as a family.

-Finally, after 2-3 years time, purchase our first home together.

Then after we accomplish our short-term goals, we will begin a new journey toward possibly expanding our family and retirement.

I hope this satisfies as proof of the intent for the Sponsor to return to Canada and our plans once we have both landed. Should you require any more documentation or details, please do not hesitate to contact us.

We look forward to completing to journey with you and thank you for your time and consideration during this process.

Sincerely,

PA and SPONSOR "


Excluded names for privacy.
 
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Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mississauga, ON
App. Filed.......
21-11-2018
AOR Received.
29-01-2019
File Transfer...
27-02-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
25-02-2019
Passport Req..
14-05-2019
VISA ISSUED...
30-05-2019
How does this look to you?


"Dear Immigration and Citizenship Canada/whomever it may concern,

Please find enclosed with this email, the requested documentation that was asked for on February 26, 2019 regarding proof of intend to return to Canada.

This includes:
-Recent statements from Royal Bank of Canada, showing an active account with a debt balance being paid off (Sponsor’s account)

- Job Applications submitted via Indeed.ca to by the sponsor to jobs in the local area to where we will be residing in Canada

- The sponsors updated resume submitted with the above applications

-An updated letter from the Sponsor’s employer, aware of their intent to return to Canada and their resignation.

-An updated letter from the Sponsor’s mother, showing intent to house upon return, without financial obligation

-A car insurance Quote from _______ for our 2012 Mazda CX7

-A moving shipping quote from _______ for our mattress.

-Letters from family

-Detailed letter of intent, in the body of the email below written in collaboration from the Sponsor and Principal Applicant:


We are excited to settle down in Canada after having realized that the US isn’t for us. It was a learning curve for us both and now with a clear idea of what we want and desire going forward, we know where exactly we wish to accomplish those goals.

Over the last two years, we have actively talked about not only relocating back to Canada but finally purchasing our first home. Of course, we are still at the beginning of that dream, as we were unsure where our future was leading us as we tried to reside in the US in attempt to settle here. Although, thanks to the offered help of housing us rent free from (The Sponsors) mother, we are able to finally start to see our dreams of one day owning a home become a reality, as we are eager to return and start to save up for our house where we can settle down and start a family.

Our goals are to save enough to put a down deposit on a home once we return. We are eager to purchase property with some land in either northern Ontario, Alberta or British Columbia, although we have been heavily leaning toward Alberta as of late.

Another huge drive why we are moving back to Canada is because Sponsors side of the family all lives there. Due to the nature of our relationship (Same-sex marriage), my parents (the Principal Applicant) have not been supportive and have showed zero interest of wanting to accept us back into their lives. After almost two years of not talking to them, it’s clear that we are not in their future, so therefore we have made the choice to exclude them from ours as well.


Sponsors family, however, have been more than welcoming and supportive of our marriage, offering moral support and love for so many years. When we go to visit, everything feels right at home back in Canada and every time we leave to return to the US, we are devastated and it takes us a while to get back to our normal lives.
Should we have children of our own after settling in to our own home, we want them to have a supportive network of family members, that they wouldn’t otherwise get down here in the US. We also want them to grow up in safe, welcoming and accepting country that is progressive.

So our plans, in summary, when we return are as follows:

- To live with Sponsors mother in Port Stanley, Ontario which will gives us the opportunity to save for our future as we will be living rent-free.

-In about 2-3 years time, we would like to purchase a home in either Northern Ontario or Alberta

- While we wait, we want to spend as much time as possible with family, as some of them are getting older and we don’t want to waste any more time than we feel we have while in the United States.

- We want to explore more of Canada as a family.

-Finally, after 2-3 years time, purchase our first home together.

Then after we accomplish our short-term goals, we will begin a new journey toward possibly expanding our family and retirement.

I hope this satisfies as proof of the intent for the Sponsor to return to Canada and our plans once we have both landed. Should you require any more documentation or details, please do not hesitate to contact us.

We look forward to completing to journey with you and thank you for your time and consideration during this process.

Sincerely,

PA and SPONSOR "


Excluded names for privacy.
That looks and reads great. I honestly think that will be enough proof for them.

You’ve covered further evidence to support your intention to return, and that’s a great letter with detailed explanation why Canada is really the only place you want to both live together.

Get that in and I reckon that will be sufficient for CIC :D
 

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Feb 4, 2019
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Toronto
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
CIC Mississauga
App. Filed.......
23-10-2018
Doc's Request.
14-03-2019
AOR Received.
4-02-2019
File Transfer...
26-02-2019
Med's Request
20-02-2019
Med's Done....
21-02-2019
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JoshC

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Category........
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Visa Office......
Mississauga, ON
App. Filed.......
21-11-2018
AOR Received.
29-01-2019
File Transfer...
27-02-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
25-02-2019
Passport Req..
14-05-2019
VISA ISSUED...
30-05-2019
I inserted my timeline in the above link ,but how do i see the trend?
It’s on a sheet behind the form. Once we’ve got a bigger dataset I’ll trend it and put it up for all to see.
 
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Ben_alex

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Feb 4, 2019
116
102
Toronto
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
CIC Mississauga
App. Filed.......
23-10-2018
Doc's Request.
14-03-2019
AOR Received.
4-02-2019
File Transfer...
26-02-2019
Med's Request
20-02-2019
Med's Done....
21-02-2019
It’s on a sheet behind the form. Once we’ve got a bigger dataset I’ll trend it and put it up for all to see.
Hmnn I dont seem to find it , It just says you data has been captured ..
 

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451
663
Berlin
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Vienna
App. Filed.......
07-12-2018
AOR Received.
07-02-2019
File Transfer...
11-03-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
11-03-2019
VISA ISSUED...
24-05-2019
How does this look to you?


"Dear Immigration and Citizenship Canada/whomever it may concern,

Please find enclosed with this email, the requested documentation that was asked for on February 26, 2019 regarding proof of intend to return to Canada.

This includes:
-Recent statements from Royal Bank of Canada, showing an active account with a debt balance being paid off (Sponsor’s account)

- Job Applications submitted via Indeed.ca to by the sponsor to jobs in the local area to where we will be residing in Canada

- The sponsors updated resume submitted with the above applications

-An updated letter from the Sponsor’s employer, aware of their intent to return to Canada and their resignation.

-An updated letter from the Sponsor’s mother, showing intent to house upon return, without financial obligation

-A car insurance Quote from _______ for our 2012 Mazda CX7

-A moving shipping quote from _______ for our mattress.

-Letters from family

-Detailed letter of intent, in the body of the email below written in collaboration from the Sponsor and Principal Applicant:


We are excited to settle down in Canada after having realized that the US isn’t for us. It was a learning curve for us both and now with a clear idea of what we want and desire going forward, we know where exactly we wish to accomplish those goals.

Over the last two years, we have actively talked about not only relocating back to Canada but finally purchasing our first home. Of course, we are still at the beginning of that dream, as we were unsure where our future was leading us as we tried to reside in the US in attempt to settle here. Although, thanks to the offered help of housing us rent free from (The Sponsors) mother, we are able to finally start to see our dreams of one day owning a home become a reality, as we are eager to return and start to save up for our house where we can settle down and start a family.

Our goals are to save enough to put a down deposit on a home once we return. We are eager to purchase property with some land in either northern Ontario, Alberta or British Columbia, although we have been heavily leaning toward Alberta as of late.

Another huge drive why we are moving back to Canada is because Sponsors side of the family all lives there. Due to the nature of our relationship (Same-sex marriage), my parents (the Principal Applicant) have not been supportive and have showed zero interest of wanting to accept us back into their lives. After almost two years of not talking to them, it’s clear that we are not in their future, so therefore we have made the choice to exclude them from ours as well.


Sponsors family, however, have been more than welcoming and supportive of our marriage, offering moral support and love for so many years. When we go to visit, everything feels right at home back in Canada and every time we leave to return to the US, we are devastated and it takes us a while to get back to our normal lives.
Should we have children of our own after settling in to our own home, we want them to have a supportive network of family members, that they wouldn’t otherwise get down here in the US. We also want them to grow up in safe, welcoming and accepting country that is progressive.

So our plans, in summary, when we return are as follows:

- To live with Sponsors mother in Port Stanley, Ontario which will gives us the opportunity to save for our future as we will be living rent-free.

-In about 2-3 years time, we would like to purchase a home in either Northern Ontario or Alberta

- While we wait, we want to spend as much time as possible with family, as some of them are getting older and we don’t want to waste any more time than we feel we have while in the United States.

- We want to explore more of Canada as a family.

-Finally, after 2-3 years time, purchase our first home together.

Then after we accomplish our short-term goals, we will begin a new journey toward possibly expanding our family and retirement.

I hope this satisfies as proof of the intent for the Sponsor to return to Canada and our plans once we have both landed. Should you require any more documentation or details, please do not hesitate to contact us.

We look forward to completing to journey with you and thank you for your time and consideration during this process.

Sincerely,

PA and SPONSOR "


Excluded names for privacy.
Sounds like you've already got everything sorted, but just wanted to say I found this other site helpful when I was preparing my application (also applying from abroad and had to provide proof I'd return): https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Spousal_Sponsorship-Canada/FAQ_-_New_Application_Forms#Supporting_Documents_for_Sponsor

One bit you might find reassuring from that page: "It is common to receive a request from CIC after you have applied for additional proof of your intention to move to Canada. If you get this request, just elaborate on what you provided when you originally applied, including any updated plans you have."
 

JoshC

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Visa Office......
Mississauga, ON
App. Filed.......
21-11-2018
AOR Received.
29-01-2019
File Transfer...
27-02-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
25-02-2019
Passport Req..
14-05-2019
VISA ISSUED...
30-05-2019
Hmnn I dont seem to find it , It just says you data has been captured ..
It’s not a publically accessible sheet - it’s just raw data. I’ll make it user friendly at a later date.
 
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JoshC

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Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mississauga, ON
App. Filed.......
21-11-2018
AOR Received.
29-01-2019
File Transfer...
27-02-2019
Med's Request
19-02-2019
Med's Done....
25-02-2019
Passport Req..
14-05-2019
VISA ISSUED...
30-05-2019
Yay medical passed today what's next now that our file was moved in LVO?
You’ll get AOR2 once they’ve received it and started processing it. Then your background checks will begin. Your passport will be requested at some stage too, I’m not sure on the timelines for Manila.
 

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You’ll get AOR2 once they’ve received it and started processing it. Then your background checks will begin. Your passport will be requested at some stage too, I’m not sure on the timelines for Manila.
So it's different from the email we got that our file was moved in Manila?