Hi guys! As promised an opinion on NOC selection.
I see that there may be some wrong misconception formed about NOC selection. First of all, you did the right decision choosing NOC 2131 and you’ll be most likely fine.
(Disclaimer! I’m not an emigration officer or ‘construction guy’ knowing all aspects of your jobs. All my knowledge based on CIC website and extensive research on this forum over last few months)
Let me explain:
Names of positions don’t matter. What matters is:
1. Lead statement (including type of employer),
2. Duties (most in your ref should match, but we are not talking about exact ‘word-for-word’ match, but about general sense.
3. Requirements (education)
So let’s analyze your case in detail:
1. Lead statement NOC 2131 Civil engineers
‘Civil engineers plan, design, develop and manage projects for the construction or repair of buildings, earth structures, powerhouses, roads, airports, railways, rapid transit facilities, bridges, tunnels, canals, dams, ports and coastal installations and systems related to highway and transportation services, water distribution and sanitation. Civil engineers may also specialize in foundation analysis, building and structural inspection, surveying, geomatics and municipal planning. Civil engineers are employed by engineering consulting companies, in all levels of government, by construction firms and in many other industries, or they may be self-employed.’
What can we see here? I clearly see that a civil engineer can do a range of activities: plan, design, develop and manage (which are quite broad categories especially ‘develop’ and ‘manage’) and can work for construction firms.
You said that you are working for well-known Construction Company (match!) and worried that you used to work at the construction site (actually match!), but most recently you have been working in the office (at the Procurement department). (actually match!)
CURRENT POSITION (5) – annual portfolio, contracting and procurement, evaluation and decision making on materials, equipments and services for the construction sites, elaboration of contracts, services procurement, such as earthwork, paving, infrastructure systems, foundation. Standardization of internal processes = managing projects for the construction (MATCH)
FORMER POSITION 4 - Evaluation of solutions for optimization of services at the construction sites, sizing of regional procurement teams nationwide according to the construction sites demands, Project Management = managing projects for the construction (MATCH)
FORMER POSITION 3 - Evaluation of solutions for optimization of services at the construction sites. Redesign of reports for cost reduction at the construction site. = managing projects for the construction (MATCH)
FORMER POSITION 2 - Timely scheduling of materials and services to meet project needs. = = managing projects for the construction (MATCH)
FORMER POSITION 1 - Job rotation at company departments related to the construction site = plan, design, develop and manage projects (MATCH)
So we can see that all 5 positions and employer = 100% MATCH in the lead section.
2. Duties NOC 2131 Civil engineers
- «Confer with clients and other members of the engineering team and conduct research to determine project requirements
- Plan and design major civil projects such as buildings, roads, bridges, dams, water and waste management systems and structural steel fabrications
- Develop construction specifications and procedures
- Evaluate and recommend appropriate building and construction materials
- Interpret, review and approve survey and civil design work
- Conduct field services for civil works
- Ensure construction plans meet guidelines and specifications of building codes and other regulations
- Establish and monitor construction work schedules
- Conduct feasibility studies, economic analyses, municipal and regional traffic studies, environmental impact studies or other investigations
- Monitor air, water and soil quality and develop procedures to clean up contaminated sites
- Conduct technical analyses of survey and field data for development of topographic, soil, hydrological or other information and prepare reports
- Act as project or site supervisor for land survey or construction work
- Prepare contract documents and review and evaluate tenders for construction projects
- Supervise technicians, technologists and other engineers and review and approve designs, calculations and cost estimates.
CURRENT POSITION 5
Answered for an annual portfolio (=Plan, Evaluate and recommend, Ensure , analyses, calculations and cost estimates) of USD 40 MM, divided into materials, equipment and services for the construction sites (=Evaluate and recommend appropriate building and construction materials). Activities: civil construction materials, equipment and services contracting and procurement (=Evaluate and recommend appropriate building and construction materials). Evaluation and decision making on materials, equipments and services for the construction sites. Elaboration of contracts for recurrent procurement (=Prepare contract documents) . Services procurement, such as earthwork, paving, infrastructure systems, foundation. Standardization of internal processes.
Full match! The same for FORMER POSITION 4, 3,2,1!!! (Long to explain...)
3. Requirements (education) NOC 2131 Civil engineers
- A bachelor's degree in civil engineering or in a related engineering discipline is required.
- A master's degree or doctorate in a related engineering discipline may be required.
- Licensing by a provincial or territorial association of professional engineers is required to approve engineering drawings and reports and to practise as a Professional Engineer (P.Eng.).
- Engineers are eligible for registration following graduation from an accredited educational program, and after three or four years of supervised work experience in engineering and passing a professional practice examination.
- Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) certification is offered by the Canada Green Building Council and may be required by some employers.
Plus, let’s see Additional information on NOC 2131
- There is considerable mobility between civil engineering specializations (MATCH) at the less senior levels.
- Engineers often work in a multidisciplinary environment and (MATCH) acquire knowledge and skills through work experience that may allow them to practise in associated areas of science, engineering, sales, marketing or management.
Come on, isn’t procurement a part of engineering process (managing)? – of course it is! The NOC issues usually arise when people completely misunderstand what are they doing and what the NOC means. (usually, it happens through ‘agents’ who don’t give any proper consideration what’s your job about)
Hey, why would you worry? Don’t doubt yourself, I can tell that you’re definitely a civil engineer! Let your worries go and just wait for your golden email, I highly doubt you’ll encounter any problem with it. And even if, it won’t be fatal (come on you have 5 positions to play with!) – you’ll get your PR anyway! But if you provide a new NOC via CSE, you’d definitely bring more attention to your NOC.
But if you have some discrepancies with time periods you mentioned – that’s another story – it should be corrected.
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