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Sponsorship Rejected

prschn

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Hello guys,

I applied for sponsoring my wife in Jan 2018 as an inland applicant. CIC has asked for additional documents to be submitted through online IRCC account. Is IRCC same as MYCIC account? If so I do not see any provision to upload additional documents in the account. Please help me clarify.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 

np08

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Why did you write "sponsorship rejected" in the title of your post?

Log into your account and go through their request there. There will be an option to reply to the new message with the files they requested.
 
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prschn

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Why did you write "sponsorship rejected" in the title of your post?

Log into your account and go through their request there. There will be an option to reply to the new message with the files they requested.

That's what the letter said, that it has been rejected but they are giving me 30 days time to submit additional docs.

I logged into my account but I do not see anything like it?
 

elomam

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What was the letter stating ? This is a procedural fairness letter, but on which bases they're stating they're gonna reject it ?
 

np08

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Category........
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Med's Done....
Aug 13, 2018
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Dec 18, 2018
That's what the letter said, that it has been rejected but they are giving me 30 days time to submit additional docs.

I logged into my account but I do not see anything like it?
If it's a procedural fairness letter then you should copy paste it here (with identifying info removed) so we can see what exactly they're asking for. I thought it was a regular document request.
 

prschn

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Yes it is Procedural fairness. My time line beo

Letter below:


This letter refers to your application for permanent residence under the Spouse or Common-law Partner in Canada class.


Having reviewed your application, I have concerns that you may not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.


Subsection 13(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a Canadian citizen or permanent resident may, subject to the regulations, sponsor a foreign national who is a member of the family class.


Subsection 124(a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that a foreign national is a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class if they are the spouse or common-law partner of a sponsor and cohabit with that sponsor in Canada.


Subsection 124(c) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that a foreign national is a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class if they are the subject of a sponsorship application.


Section 127 of the Regulations states that a foreign national who makes an application as a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class and their accompanying family members shall not become a permanent resident unless a sponsorship undertaking in respect of the foreign national and those family members is in effect and the sponsor who gave that undertaking still meets the requirements of section 133 and, if applicable, section 137.

Subsection 133(1) of the Regulations states that a sponsorship application shall only be approved by an officer if, on the day on which the application was filed and from that day until the day a decision is made with respect to the application, there is evidence that the sponsor

(a) is a sponsor as described in section 130;


Section 130 of the Regulations states that:

(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), a sponsor, for the purpose of sponsoring a foreign national who makes an application for a permanent resident visa as a member of the family class or an application to remain in Canada as a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class under subsection 13(1) of the Act, must be a Canadian citizen or permanent resident who

(c) has filed a sponsorship application in respect of a member of the family class or the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class in accordance with section 10. Case Processing Centre Mississauga Centre de Traitement des Demandes Mississauga Website: www.cic.gc.ca Site web: www.cic.gc.ca


I am not satisfied that you have a valid sponsor and are therefore not the subject of a sponsorship in effect. You and your sponsor declared that you were not cohabiting in the same residence in Canada at the time of submitting your application. Your sponsor is therefore ineligible to sponsor your application for permanent residence, as such, you are not a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class and do not have a valid sponsor. Accordingly, you may not meet the requirements of the Regulations.

Subsection 16(1) of the Act states that a person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonably requires.

Subsections 72(1)(c) and 72(1)(d) of the Regulations indicates that a foreign national in Canada becomes a permanent resident if, following an examination, it is established that they are a member of that class and they meet the selection criteria and other requirements applicable to that class.


The onus is on you to satisfy me that you have an eligible sponsor and meet the requirements of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class. I would therefore request that you send any information and/or documents which you consider might respond to this concern within thirty (30) days from the date of this letter. I must also advise you that failure to disabuse me of my concern may result in the refusal of your application.


Please send the requested information / document(s) to your online IRCC account.

All future inquiries with respect to your application should be sent via the Case Specific Enquiry form at the following link: https://secure.cic.gc.ca/enquiries-renseignements/canada-case-cas-eng.aspx.
 

zardoz

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Yes it is Procedural fairness. My time line beo

Letter below:


This letter refers to your application for permanent residence under the Spouse or Common-law Partner in Canada class.


Having reviewed your application, I have concerns that you may not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.


Subsection 13(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a Canadian citizen or permanent resident may, subject to the regulations, sponsor a foreign national who is a member of the family class.


Subsection 124(a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that a foreign national is a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class if they are the spouse or common-law partner of a sponsor and cohabit with that sponsor in Canada.


Subsection 124(c) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that a foreign national is a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class if they are the subject of a sponsorship application.


Section 127 of the Regulations states that a foreign national who makes an application as a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class and their accompanying family members shall not become a permanent resident unless a sponsorship undertaking in respect of the foreign national and those family members is in effect and the sponsor who gave that undertaking still meets the requirements of section 133 and, if applicable, section 137.

Subsection 133(1) of the Regulations states that a sponsorship application shall only be approved by an officer if, on the day on which the application was filed and from that day until the day a decision is made with respect to the application, there is evidence that the sponsor

(a) is a sponsor as described in section 130;


Section 130 of the Regulations states that:

(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), a sponsor, for the purpose of sponsoring a foreign national who makes an application for a permanent resident visa as a member of the family class or an application to remain in Canada as a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class under subsection 13(1) of the Act, must be a Canadian citizen or permanent resident who

(c) has filed a sponsorship application in respect of a member of the family class or the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class in accordance with section 10. Case Processing Centre Mississauga Centre de Traitement des Demandes Mississauga Website: www.cic.gc.ca Site web: www.cic.gc.ca


I am not satisfied that you have a valid sponsor and are therefore not the subject of a sponsorship in effect. You and your sponsor declared that you were not cohabiting in the same residence in Canada at the time of submitting your application. Your sponsor is therefore ineligible to sponsor your application for permanent residence, as such, you are not a member of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class and do not have a valid sponsor. Accordingly, you may not meet the requirements of the Regulations.

Subsection 16(1) of the Act states that a person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonably requires.

Subsections 72(1)(c) and 72(1)(d) of the Regulations indicates that a foreign national in Canada becomes a permanent resident if, following an examination, it is established that they are a member of that class and they meet the selection criteria and other requirements applicable to that class.


The onus is on you to satisfy me that you have an eligible sponsor and meet the requirements of the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class. I would therefore request that you send any information and/or documents which you consider might respond to this concern within thirty (30) days from the date of this letter. I must also advise you that failure to disabuse me of my concern may result in the refusal of your application.


Please send the requested information / document(s) to your online IRCC account.

All future inquiries with respect to your application should be sent via the Case Specific Enquiry form at the following link: https://secure.cic.gc.ca/enquiries-renseignements/canada-case-cas-eng.aspx.
So, were you living together at the same address in Canada when you submitted the application? If not, then the refusal is valid. Based on your post at https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/2018-spousal-sponsorship-in-land-applications-timeline-and-updates.536517/page-187#post-7337882
it would appear that your application was invalid and IRCC are correct.
 
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prschn

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So, were you living together at the same address in Canada when you submitted the application? If not, then the refusal is valid. Based on your post at https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/2018-spousal-sponsorship-in-land-applications-timeline-and-updates.536517/page-187#post-7337882
it would appear that your application was invalid and IRCC are correct.
No we were not living together. But if you see in the letter above they have asked me to submit additional docs/info, which am working on right now.

They have asked me to submit it in my IRCC account where I do not find any provision to upload docs to support the reason why were not living together. How do I upload those docs? What do you think will happen, any chances of my sponsorship getting approved?

Also what is the usual time they take to process ? Thanks!
 

zardoz

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No we were not living together. But if you see in the letter above they have asked me to submit additional docs/info, which am working on right now.

They have asked me to submit it in my IRCC account where I do not find any provision to upload docs to support the reason why were not living together. How do I upload those docs? What do you think will happen, any chances of my sponsorship getting approved?

Also what is the usual time they take to process ? Thanks!
There is no point in submitting documents if you were not eligible to apply in the first place. You did not meet the requirements of the Spouse or Common-Law Partner in Canada class on the day you submitted the application (or apparently since then either). You would have to prove that you were cohabiting on that date, and you were not. Cohabitation requires you to be physically at the same address at the same time. You should have applied under Family Class (outland) instead.
There is no benefit in explaining why you are not eligible to apply inland. IRCC will not be interested.
 
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prschn

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There is no point in submitting documents if you were not eligible to apply in the first place. You did not meet the requirements of the Spouse or Common-Law Partner in Canada class on the day you submitted the application (or apparently since then either). You would have to prove that you were cohabiting on that date, and you were not. Cohabitation requires you to be physically at the same address at the same time. You should have applied under Family Class (outland) instead.
There is no benefit in explaining why you are not eligible to apply inland. IRCC will not be interested.

Why would they give me 30 days then? I would just like to give it a try even though the chances are very slim.

Can you please tell me how to upload docs? I m not able to do it in mycic/ircc account. Please help!
 

monkeys89

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They're giving you 30 days in case you accidentally submitted the wrong information and allowing you a chance to correct it.

Since you were not cohabitating, there is not a slim chance - there is no chance.
 

monkeys89

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Sorry, but I am going to try in anyway. Can you please tell me how to upload docs?
Save your time and re-apply, but using the spousal outland option.

Seriously. You are not eligible for the in-Canada class if you are not cohabitating. CIC is required to be fair and give people opportunities to present evidence that they submitted incorrect information prior to refusing the sponsorship application entirely. In your case, they decided that you may have written the wrong addresses down and they're giving you time to say "Wait, wait, we are actually cohabitating and I screwed up and said we weren't, so here's the evidence that we were living together."

They are not saying "Oh, we'll give you the chance to be eligible despite acknowledging that you are completely ineligible for this in-Canada class." You're not getting some special permission to not cohabitate yet qualify for the in-Canada class that requires cohabitation.

By logging in and submitting documentation that you actually did not cohabitate, you are delaying your sponsorship rejection by a month or two - a month or two you could have gained in re-applying under the outland class.

By logging in and submitting documentation that proves you are ineligible, and forcing CIC to dedicate the time of a visa officer to reading that documentation and telling you what you already know, you're delaying other people's PR applications.
 
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monkeys89

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What documents are you going to submit? Additional proof that you lived at different addresses and therefore are not eligible? Or a letter saying that you did not cohabitate but still want to be considered as cohabitating for some reason?