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Citizenship physical presence issue

wkdurrani

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Apr 22, 2015
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My mother have been refused to qualify because of physical presence

However, she arrived in Canada in Feb 2012 on supervisa( which allows upto 2 years stay per entry ) then became Permanent resident on July 2015.

Between 2012 and 2015 she earned 721 day which calculator account half 313 days as a temporary citizen

Between 2015 and now she earned 954 days

In total 1267 days

However I just got a letter telling me she doesn't qualify due to lack to evidence of her physical presence

Not sure what I can provide beside the copies of passport and entry exit stamps

As she was a visitor between 2012-2015 she dont have any credit cards or Bill's or submitted return to cra

Appreciate your help
 
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keesio

VIP Member
May 16, 2012
4,795
396
Toronto, Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09-01-2013
Doc's Request.
09-07-2013
AOR Received.
30-01-2013
File Transfer...
11-02-2013
Med's Done....
02-01-2013
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
12-07-2013
VISA ISSUED...
15-08-2013
LANDED..........
14-10-2013
When was her application date? You can only count time up to the last 5 years of your application date.
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
96,578
22,642
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Between 2012 and 2015 she earned 721 day which calculator account half 360 days as a temporary citizen

Between 2015 and now she earned 627 days

In total 1267 days
I don't understand the math. 360 + 627 = 987 (not 1267)
 

zardoz

VIP Member
Feb 2, 2013
13,298
2,168
Canada
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
I don't understand the math. 360 + 627 = 987 (not 1267)
Absolutely. The OP has made a fundamental miscalculation...
 

zardoz

VIP Member
Feb 2, 2013
13,298
2,168
Canada
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
My mother have been refused to qualify because of physical presence

However, she arrived in Canada in Feb 2012 on supervisa( which allows upto 2 years stay per entry ) then became Permanent resident on July 2015.

Between 2012 and 2015 she earned 721 day which calculator account half 313 days as a temporary citizen

Between 2015 and now she earned 954 days

In total 1267 days

However I just got a letter telling me she doesn't qualify due to lack to evidence of her physical presence

Not sure what I can provide beside the copies of passport and entry exit stamps

As she was a visitor between 2012-2015 she dont have any credit cards or Bill's or submitted return to cra

Appreciate your help
So, what status did your mother have between Feb 2014 (when her 2 years stay expired) and 2015-07-23?
 

wkdurrani

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Apr 22, 2015
6
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So, what status did your mother have between Feb 2014 (when her 2 years stay expired) and 2015-07-23?
She exited Canada couple of time between 2012-2015 which reset the clock for her length of stay
Her supervisa was multiple entry and was valid for 5 years In length with each entry valid for upto 2 years at a time
She was on supervisa from her first entry to PR status
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
6,470
3,221
Without reviewing the entirety of the application and presence calculation, it is very difficult to guess what the problem is. Of course this is NOT a proper venue for sharing that level of information, so it is NOT likely anyone here (including me) can offer a dependable opinion about what the problem is.

As others have done above, we can do some shooting-in-the-dark and guess.

One possible target-issue not addressed so far is how item 9.b) was completed, including the information entered in the chart for temporary status.

While presence in Canada pursuant to valid visitor status counts (half day credits for days present during the eligibility period), it is nonetheless the applicant's burden to prove PRESENCE AND STATUS. Again, I cannot discern for sure what the problem is, but there is NO credit for presence UNLESS the applicant documents status. My guess is that the problem is about establishing status (as a prerequisite to counting days present) . . . otherwise it would be the kind of case in which there is RQ-related processing rather than the application being returned based on a failure to meet the presence requirement on its face.

One problem is that a super-visa, as I understand it (with the caveat I do not follow these visitor visas at all closely) authorizes a FN to enter Canada, but in itself it is NOT a grant of status in Canada . . . the individual with a super-visa must apply for entry at a PoE and then status to actually be in Canada is granted by a border officer. Documenting the latter may be the issue or related to the issue. And of course the chart in item 9.b) needs to show specific dates when visitor status was granted and expired . . . my impression is that if the super-visa dates were entered in the chart, that would NOT work. (Caveat: I am far from sure about how this works.)

There is an ill-advised tendency to equate what technically can be counted with what will actually, practically count. I have oft cautioned prospective applicants that relying on pre-landing visitor time has RISKS and can be tricky. This does NOT directly explain the issue in this case. Again, I do not know.

If IRCC is wrong, there is legal recourse. But as is the case generally, pursuing judicial remedies tends to be expensive, time-consuming, and to take a rather long time. Like pursuing any civil remedy in the courts (obtaining compensation for a personal injury, for example, can take years).

Thus, for example, the application can be re-submitted together with a formal demand that it be processed and decided on its merits, and if IRCC again returns it, then an application might be made to a Federal Court asking for a Writ of Mandamus to order IRCC to process the application. I cannot guess the probability of success. I can predict a very low probability unless this is handled by a lawyer (this judicial procedure is tricky enough for lawyers), and that for a lawyer to do this it will be very expensive, and still have no guarantee of success. But if successful, IRCC could be ordered to process the application . . . and possibly that could happen by the end of 2019 or so.

In contrast, as long as she stays in Canada another six months, she will be eligible to apply based on presence after landing, no credit for visitor time necessary. This is likely to be an available course to follow many months before obtaining relief from the Federal Court, and moreover such an application is more likely to proceed through the process faster.
 

Joshua1

Hero Member
Nov 18, 2013
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There are serious ambiguities in regards to counting the days as visitor towards physical presence. Most people assume that just because you had a visitor’s visa and stayed for months at a time you can simply count those days spent in Canada. While visitors are considered as Temporary Resident permit holders, they’re not the same as Work Permit and Study Permit holders due to the fact the latter have to rent a home, pay bills, have Social Insurance, Number, file taxes etc. There are some visitors that do those things or can show proof, but they are not in the majority.

So, I understand the OP’s issue.
 
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