Reference Letter Issue

[tahir.faryal]

I have worked for a Telecommunication company for 4 years and 3 months. Initially I was hired by company A who usually outsource employees for this telecom company and I worked under title: Sales Help Desk ( NOC 2282 User support technicians)

After 1.3 years with company A, they had some financial crisis due to which they delayed in employees payments and I was left with no choice to move to Company B who also outsource employees but still working with the same Telecom company under title: Sales Help Desk (NOC 2282 User support technicians). it was the Telecom company management itself who helped me to move to different outsourcing company which was good in treating employees well. I was moved to company B and I stayed with this company B for 4 months

After 4 months, I was promoted and the Telecom company moved me into their direct payroll system and I became a full term employee with a new new title: SME Support Executive ( but same NOC 2282 User support technicians) at this point I resigned from the other outsourced company B

I worked under this telecom company on their payroll for 2 years and 7 months, where I was promoted to 3rd Role: Senior Executive SME Telephone Account Management NOC 6221 Technical sales specialists - wholesale trade and than I had to leave the company. So in total 4 years and 3 months I completed

Now the issue is that I want to apply for immigration and I am confused as well as worried on how to justify these things on paper? The issue is with previous companies. Company A was in crisis at that time, currently they are not responding to my emails to provide me the Reference letters. Company B I spend only 4 months only, how will that be counted? If I don't show this experience I will lose 1.7 Years experience from my Canada application and I will be left with only 2.7 years experience in TELECOM company.

The issue is the telecom company will only issue me letters when I moved to their payroll only. Even though I worked for them for very long time, since I was not in their direct HR payroll they don't take responsibility to issue letter for that period of time.

Please guide me what should I do to get this experience letters from Company A and B?

Thanks in Advance

 

[santhkum90]

I have worked for a Telecommunication company for 4 years and 3 months. Initially I was hired by company A who usually outsource employees for this telecom company and I worked under title: Sales Help Desk ( NOC 2282 User support technicians)

After 1.3 years with company A, they had some financial crisis due to which they delayed in employees payments and I was left with no choice to move to Company B who also outsource employees but still working with the same Telecom company under title: Sales Help Desk (NOC 2282 User support technicians). it was the Telecom company management itself who helped me to move to different outsourcing company which was good in treating employees well. I was moved to company B and I stayed with this company B for 4 months

After 4 months, I was promoted and the Telecom company moved me into their direct payroll system and I became a full term employee with a new new title: SME Support Executive ( but same NOC 2282 User support technicians) at this point I resigned from the other outsourced company B

I worked under this telecom company on their payroll for 2 years and 7 months, where I was promoted to 3rd Role: Senior Executive SME Telephone Account Management NOC 6221 Technical sales specialists - wholesale trade and than I had to leave the company. So in total 4 years and 3 months I completed

Now the issue is that I want to apply for immigration and I am confused as well as worried on how to justify these things on paper? The issue is with previous companies. Company A was in crisis at that time, currently they are not responding to my emails to provide me the Reference letters. Company B I spend only 4 months only, how will that be counted? If I don't show this experience I will lose 1.7 Years experience from my Canada application and I will be left with only 2.7 years experience in TELECOM company.

The issue is the telecom company will only issue me letters when I moved to their payroll only. Even though I worked for them for very long time, since I was not in their direct HR payroll they don't take responsibility to issue letter for that period of time.

Please guide me what should I do to get this experience letters from Company A and B?

Thanks in Advance

Try to get letter from company B, which will make your experience more than 3 years. Check your selection factor and CRS points for this criteria. If you have enough points, then don't worry about company A. Explain the situation clearly in your LOE.

 

[tahir.faryal]

Try to get letter from company B, which will make your experience more than 3 years. Check your selection factor and CRS points for this criteria. If you have enough points, then don't worry about company A. Explain the situation clearly in your LOE.

Thank you for your reply. But for company B I have only 4 months experience in the NOC 2282 User support technicians. They will give me 4 months reference letter only.

I have 2.7 years experience letter in hand with me from the telecom company for NOC 2282 and NOC 6221

Am confused if sharing One NOC 2282 between two or three companies is acceptable?

 

[hope2018]

I have worked for a Telecommunication company for 4 years and 3 months. Initially I was hired by company A who usually outsource employees for this telecom company and I worked under title: Sales Help Desk ( NOC 2282 User support technicians)

After 1.3 years with company A, they had some financial crisis due to which they delayed in employees payments and I was left with no choice to move to Company B who also outsource employees but still working with the same Telecom company under title: Sales Help Desk (NOC 2282 User support technicians). it was the Telecom company management itself who helped me to move to different outsourcing company which was good in treating employees well. I was moved to company B and I stayed with this company B for 4 months

After 4 months, I was promoted and the Telecom company moved me into their direct payroll system and I became a full term employee with a new new title: SME Support Executive ( but same NOC 2282 User support technicians) at this point I resigned from the other outsourced company B

I worked under this telecom company on their payroll for 2 years and 7 months, where I was promoted to 3rd Role: Senior Executive SME Telephone Account Management NOC 6221 Technical sales specialists - wholesale trade and than I had to leave the company. So in total 4 years and 3 months I completed

Now the issue is that I want to apply for immigration and I am confused as well as worried on how to justify these things on paper? The issue is with previous companies. Company A was in crisis at that time, currently they are not responding to my emails to provide me the Reference letters. Company B I spend only 4 months only, how will that be counted? If I don't show this experience I will lose 1.7 Years experience from my Canada application and I will be left with only 2.7 years experience in TELECOM company.

The issue is the telecom company will only issue me letters when I moved to their payroll only. Even though I worked for them for very long time, since I was not in their direct HR payroll they don't take responsibility to issue letter for that period of time.

Please guide me what should I do to get this experience letters from Company A and B?

Thanks in Advance

Can you wait few months and let experience be 3 years in your latest company as it will be be lot cleaner considering the issues you mentioned? Not sure what your CRS is to advise anything further but do make sure that you a choose a NOC as primary only that one for which you have worked for 12 months continously, if you cannot take reference letters from A & B then you should not select that NOC as primary but instead select NOC which you had in last company.

 

[tahir.faryal]

Can you wait few months and let experience be 3 years in your latest company as it will be be lot cleaner considering the issues you mentioned? Not sure what your CRS is to advise anything further but do make sure that you a choose a NOC as primary only that one for which you have worked for 12 months continously, if you cannot take reference letters from A & B then you should not select that NOC as primary but instead select NOC which you had in last company.

Thank you for replying.

I have actually left the telecom company in 2016 already. I cannot get more reference letters from anywhere. I am having multiple NOCs based on my past. But I can assure you that in every NOC I have worked 12 months full time. Can you please explain me what happens when I create EE Profile? what is primary NOC or secondary NOC?

I have not started my EE application yet because am waiting for my IELTS score. I have used the CRS Score calculator on CIC website and it comes around 450 if I score well in IELTS along with 3 years work experience and Master degree. I am trying to collect my documents because at a later stage it will be difficult as it is now

I am currently working in a new company from past 6 months in a new position for which doesn't matches the previous NOCs. I cannot wait more because my birthday is approaching in January and I will lose time and the draws. I am confused

 

[hope2018]

Thank you for replying.

I have actually left the telecom company in 2016 already. I cannot get more reference letters from anywhere. I am having multiple NOCs based on my past. But I can assure you that in every NOC I have worked 12 months full time. Can you please explain me what happens when I create EE Profile? what is primary NOC or secondary NOC?

I have not started my EE application yet because am waiting for my IELTS score. I have used the CRS Score calculator on CIC website and it comes around 450 if I score well in IELTS along with 3 years work experience and Master degree. I am trying to collect my documents because at a later stage it will be difficult as it is now

I am currently working in a new company from past 6 months in a new position for which doesn't matches the previous NOCs. I cannot wait more because my birthday is approaching in January and I will lose time and the draws. I am confused

Well, you list out all you work experiences in your work history along with a NOC for each of those work experience. In addition to that you select out of all your NOC (if you have had multiple over course of your work life) one as a primary NOC. That one should have atleast 12 months continous experience. If you cannot get experience letters, can you get from a colleague/supervisor of previous company on plain paper and get it notarized. But make sure you back it up with documentary proof, job offer letter, paystubs etc to prove you worked for those companies. And also be confident that in case IRCC wants to verify those details then they are able to, those companies should exist, be contactable, sufficient information in public domain should be available for them, If you feel all that is not possible just do not show those experiences and avoid rejection.

 

[tahir.faryal]

Well, you list out all you work experiences in your work history along with a NOC for each of those work experience. In addition to that you select out of all your NOC (if you have had multiple over course of your work life) one as a primary NOC. That one should have atleast 12 months continous experience. If you cannot get experience letters, can you get from a colleague/supervisor of previous company on plain paper and get it notarized. But make sure you back it up with documentary proof, job offer letter, paystubs etc to prove you worked for those companies. And also be confident that in case IRCC wants to verify those details then they are able to, those companies should exist, be contactable, sufficient information in public domain should be available for them, If you feel all that is not possible just do not show those experiences and avoid rejection.

Thank you for such detail explanation. I understood your points.

I can try to get reference letters from my colleague/supervisor who worked with me in the telecom company but it wont be on company letter head. Secondly from the beginning I am in this telecom company but how would CIC Validate this with company A and B ?
If I get everything notarized from colleague they still will contact Company A and B ?
I can provide offer letters I signed with company A and B. But I am not getting in touch with them so payslips I dont have. I can show email conversations or the emails exchanged with them. Since the company was in crisis that time I am not sure what are they doing these days. Because of these reasons I am not able to get in touch with them.

What will happen if I get letter from colleagues or supervisors?

 

[hope2018]

Thank you for such detail explanation. I understood your points.

I can try to get reference letters from my colleague/supervisor who worked with me in the telecom company but it wont be on company letter head. Secondly from the beginning I am in this telecom company but how would CIC Validate this with company A and B ?
If I get everything notarized from colleague they still will contact Company A and B ?
I can provide offer letters I signed with company A and B. But I am not getting in touch with them so payslips I dont have. I can show email conversations or the emails exchanged with them. Since the company was in crisis that time I am not sure what are they doing these days. Because of these reasons I am not able to get in touch with them.

What will happen if I get letter from colleagues or supervisors?

Well you are not in a good position then, just having letter from colleague is not enough, it would have been better if you could show payslips or bank statements to show salary credits to go along with letter from colleague. But if the company has also ceased to exist then you are on a sticky wicket here. If you still go ahead it will purely be upto agent reviewing the file if he considers that as a valid experience or not. IRCC has their own means of verifying credentials, it can range from replying on public information available on that company to reaching out to employer, cannot say for certain.

 

[tahir.faryal]

Well you are not in a good position then, just having letter from colleague is not enough, it would have been better if you could show payslips or bank statements to show salary credits to go along with letter from colleague. But if the company has also ceased to exist then you are on a sticky wicket here. If you still go ahead it will purely be upto agent reviewing the file if he considers that as a valid experience or not. IRCC has their own means of verifying credentials, it can range from replying on public information available on that company to reaching out to employer, cannot say for certain.

My question is that who will be my colleague? Since this company was outsourcing me to work in a telecom company, so my colleagues/supervisors will be the people inside the Telecom company who will say that I worked with them or under them correct?
or my colleague will be the people who were handling my file (my HR documentation only) in this company A or company B?

 

[hope2018]

My question is that who will be my colleague? Since this company was outsourcing me to work in a telecom company, so my colleagues/supervisors will be the people inside the Telecom company who will say that I worked with them or under them correct?
or my colleague will be the people who were handling my file (my HR documentation only) in this company A or company B?

It can be anyone, but more importantly you will have to explain all this to IRCC in a Letter of Explanation and it can prove to be a tedious job as nothing you are getting is on company letter head and then if IRCC wants to verify your experience they would face same issues as you are currently facing. There are high chances they may not consider that as valid experience

 

[tahir.faryal]

I understand. This is what I am scared of right now.
If I show all my achievements and awards and letters from colleagues, CIC will contact Telecom company right?
If they contact Company A, B they will attend them but am not sure if they will verify me or not ? because the old staff has resigned.

How is this fair to me What should I do

 

[waverlypl]

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I understand. This is what I am scared of right now.
If I show all my achievements and awards and letters from colleagues, CIC will contact Telecom company right?
If they contact Company A, B they will attend them but am not sure if they will verify me or not ? because the old staff has resigned.

How is this fair to me What should I do

was you able to solve this issue and immigrated to Canada?

 

[tahir.faryal]

W

was you able to solve this issue and immigrated to Canada?

no am still stuck with 8777 IELTS.

 

[Sandhuhatpreet670]

Hello Everyone
Please suggest me best thing for me.
I am in Express entry pool with 469 crs.
My profile is computer teacher in government secondary school. Actually the education department hires the computer teachers through outsource company. I am teaching in school so my roles and responsibilities are only known to my workplace but on the other hand the outsource agency credit the salary.
So what should i do in this case. My workplace employer has mentioned roles and responsibilities , working hours, joining date, designation all in my reference letter, but salary is not mentioned only.
So what is best please suggest of someone is on the same boat.