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Today's my "C-24 Day," when I'd have been eligible to apply under the Cons' Bill C-24.

ChippyBoy

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So, as things have turned-out, the Libs' Bill C-6 has ended-up having done me no favours whatsoever.

Thanks Harper Gov't for not having had the common decency to grandfather-in anybody under your Bill C-24; and thanks Trudeau Gov't for having dilly-dallied on your Bill C-6, the progress of which through the Senate was agonisingly appalling to have had to witness and suffer through.

So, having been royally bonked by both major political parties in this country, I'm going to take @dpenabill's advice and give consideration to the NDP when I finally (if ever!) get a chance to vote here.
 

dpenabill

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To be clear, even though I did NOT vote Liberal in either the more recent Federal election nor our recent Provincial election, I have actually been quite impressed with the job Trudeau has been able to do under excruciatingly difficult conditions, in rather difficult times.

I have been around awhile. A long, long while. Too old to still have a day job but, given a complicated history, stuck with a work-until-I-die (or until I can no longer sell what I do) retirement plan, so still bearing the baggage of a full-time day job (of sorts, being a self-employed free-lancer). Which I mention for context: I have seen more than a few political cycles come and go.

Maybe it is old man syndrome but I truly apprehend danger in the current political climate. I am not old enough to personally remember what it was like during WW II but I do have first-hand recall of what it was like not long after, the proxy wars in the 50s and 60s, the Berlin airlift and then the WALL, and the rampant fear so many of us suffered when Kennedy initiated a blockade of Cuba and Khrushchev was threatening to bury the Americans. Among other ideological, political, and cultural tides.

I am not nearly sophisticated, scholarly, or perspicacious enough to diagnose the current malaise, or to forecast where things are headed. The danger signs, however, are readily apparent, and looming all-too-large. It is clearly time to pay attention and to make an effort to push for reason, recognizing reason demands knowledge, at the least knowing the facts. And knowing some history, being able to put things in context. It also demands a perspective well outside one's own self-interest.

Prolific narcissism is at least part of the danger signs these days. It is really, really dangerous to make political decisions based on what favours ourselves. Emphasis on what the danger of making decisions based on what APPARENTLY favours ourselves. (Person with no children might think lower school taxes is good . . . reality, however, is that without a robust, well-funded education system, society will suffer very severe consequences, sooner or later, leading to the childless person to suffer as well.)

As for the timeline between coming to Canada as an immigrant or with hope of staying as an immigrant, and becoming a citizen, while the difference between a year or three may loom large in one's perspective at the time, ultimately the difference will be insignificant for the vast majority of immigrants. Sure, some individuals have circumstances in which the difference imposes real hardship, BUT for MOST not so much. In contrast, there are many, many other elements in political decisions which have great importance or potentially great importance. Harper was BAD NEWS for many, many reasons. The 4/6 rule was harsh but of far, far less significance than other more draconian and unjust policies implemented by Harper's governments. The Trudeau implemented 3/5 rule is much more reasonable and just and was implemented about as fast as such legislation could be done (without authoritarian means like those employed by Harper). But the bigger and more important aspect of this is not the 3/5 rule itself but that it is part of broader more reasonable policies generally.

I am candid about my preference for NDP approaches generally. BUT I am more concerned about a Trump or Ford, or revival of a Harper-like government, in Canada.

I do not purport to understand what is motivating or driving so many who are leaning in favour of con-job authoritarians these days. But I fear them.
 

ohhhhusa

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I would have been eligible on october 19 2017 under c24. Of course they implement c6 just in time, what used to be a 3 months open and shut case might take a year now because a million people are eligible at the same time. Talk about being f***d by politicians! But hey, none of this is gonna matter 5 years from now.
 

ZingyDNA

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I would have been eligible on october 19 2017 under c24. Of course they implement c6 just in time, what used to be a 3 months open and shut case might take a year now because a million people are eligible at the same time. Talk about being f***d by politicians! But hey, none of this is gonna matter 5 years from now.
When in the history could you get citizenship in 3 months? During C24? Before C24? I would be eligible under C24 in a few weeks, I believe. I'm OK with this, though. As long as I get it in the end, within 12 months, I'll be happy.
 

ohhhhusa

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When in the history could you get citizenship in 3 months? During C24? Before C24? I would be eligible under C24 in a few weeks, I believe. I'm OK with this, though. As long as I get it in the end, within 12 months, I'll be happy.
By the end of the c24 era routine applications were super fast, look at the spreadsheet. Before c24 it was a nightmare. Now we’re kind of in the middle in terms of speed
 

nofrills

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Thanks Harper Gov't for not having had the common decency to grandfather-in anybody under your Bill C-24; and thanks Trudeau Gov't for having dilly-dallied on your Bill C-6, the progress of which through the Senate was agonisingly appalling to have had to witness and suffer through.
The stalling on C-6 was created by the lack of majority in the Senate and the stalling of conservatives - this is widely reported and not exclusive to C-6 but any other bills that were a campaign promise including pot legalisation.
 

ChippyBoy

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The stalling on C-6 was created by the lack of majority in the Senate and the stalling of conservatives - this is widely reported and not exclusive to C-6 but any other bills that were a campaign promise including pot legalisation.
The stalling of C-6 in the Senate was actually largely due to the incompetence of the new (but potentially good photo-op'd) Sen. Omidvar, tied to the limp leadership of Sen. Harder for the Libs in the Senate, and the Bill was only rescued by the determined effort of Sen. Jaffer, along with some behind-the-scenes 'horse-trading' for acquiescence from the Cons. We can all be very sincerely thankful to Sen. Mobina Jaffer.
 
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