re-entry to Canada

[Maha Nimer]

hello everyone,
i am a PR card holder. had my landing back in 2006. my PR card expired in 2011. never been to Canada other than the one time i was there in 2006 when i did my landing. now, I am prepared to go back to Canada this June (and I know that no body can deny my entry as i still considered a Canadian residence even though the card is expired).
My question is: To enter Canada through the land boarders from the states, are my expired PR card, SIN number card and the old stamped immigration visa (the very fist one for landing) are those documents enough to present at the boarder, or do I must also present my landing paper as well (which I don't have)?
thank you for your advise

 

[zardoz]

hello everyone,
i am a PR card holder. had my landing back in 2006. my PR card expired in 2011. never been to Canada other than the one time i was there in 2006 when i did my landing. now, I am prepared to go back to Canada this June (and I know that no body can deny my entry as i still considered a Canadian residence even though the card is expired).
My question is: To enter Canada through the land boarders from the states, are my expired PR card, SIN number card and the old stamped immigration visa (the very fist one for landing) are those documents enough to present at the boarder, or do I must also present my landing paper as well (which I don't have)?
thank you for your advise

All that you require is sufficient documentation to establish your identity as a PR. However, expect to be questioned regarding your non-compliance with the Residency Obligation requirements and reported, leading to the revocation of your PR status.

 

[Buletruck]

Yeah, I can’t see you slipping in without being reported for RO having not lived in Canada since 2006.

 

[Maha Nimer]

Yeah, I can’t see you slipping in without being reported for RO having not lived in Canada since 2006.

yes i am aware of the inevitable possibility that i will be reported, which is not my concern here as my lawyer will immediately submit an appeal before the 30 days window from being revoked as PR.
i only needed to make sure that the landing paper is not a must document to present when entering the land boarders!

 

[mats]

yes i am aware of the inevitable possibility that i will be reported, which is not my concern here as my lawyer will immediately submit an appeal before the 30 days window from being revoked as PR.
i only needed to make sure that the landing paper is not a must document to present when entering the land boarders!

Expired PR card and your passport should be good enough. No harm having additional documents

 

[jfoejaoijfoaj]

Border officials won't have authority to revoke PR right away, and instead they can only report, correct? Want to double check since I'm facing similar situation.

Good luck OP on the entry and appeal process.

 

[Pixiegirl]

yes i am aware of the inevitable possibility that i will be reported, which is not my concern here as my lawyer will immediately submit an appeal before the 30 days window from being revoked as PR.
i only needed to make sure that the landing paper is not a must document to present when entering the land boarders!

Do you still have the original Confirmation of PR document? That should be sufficient.
Edit: Sorry I just read the original post. I was told that with expired PR card to get through the land border, the original CoPR is required.
I'm not sure if you will still be considered a PR, because you haven't lived in Canada at all...
You would loose your status after 5 years tops...

 

[zardoz]

Border officials won't have authority to revoke PR right away, and instead they can only report, correct? Want to double check since I'm facing similar situation.

Good luck OP on the entry and appeal process.

Correct.

 

[Buletruck]

I'm not sure if you will still be considered a PR, because you haven't lived in Canada at all...
You would loose your status after 5 years tops...

Incorrect. Once grant Permenent resident status, you are always a Permenent resident unless you renounce you PR or IRCC revokes it. Even at entry if you don’t meet RO, you can still appeal if reported, regardless of how long you have been out of Canada. Whether you get loose your PR status is dependent on being reported and subsequent appeals or the PR renouncing in their own.

 

[Pixiegirl]

Incorrect. Once grant Permenent resident status, you are always a Permenent resident unless you renounce you PR or IRCC revokes it. Even at entry if you don’t meet RO, you can still appeal if reported, regardless of how long you have been out of Canada. Whether you get loose your PR status is dependent on being reported and subsequent appeals or the PR renouncing in their own.

That's what I meant - if he crosses the border, that will flag him and IRCC will most likely revoke his PR status.

 

[mats]

Edit: Sorry I just read the original post. I was told that with expired PR card to get through the land border, the original CoPR is required....

That is not correct, I have entered Canada several times through the land border with the expired PR card, and I had no problem. Of course my PR card in under renewal and I do meet the RO. But I didn’t have any issues crossing the border..

 

[Maha Nimer]

thank you all for your very helpful feedback. excuse me if i am asking a question with an obvious answer, but what does RO stands for?

 

[evdm]

thank you all for your very helpful feedback. excuse me if i am asking a question with an obvious answer, but what does RO stands for?

Residency Obligation

Currently you must be in Canada for a minimum of 730 days in a rolling five year period counting back from the date of examination to be in compliance with the RO.

The exception to this is if you haven't yet been a PR for 5 years. In this case, at examination days in Canada since becoming a PR will be counted, and added to the remaining number of days up to 5 years from the date of landing. This has to be greater than 730 to be in compliance.

The date of examination is the date on which you present yourself to a CBSA officer at the border, or an IRCC officer needs to determine status for example for an application for a new card, or a sponsorship application.

 

[Pixiegirl]

That is not correct, I have entered Canada several times through the land border with the expired PR card, and I had no problem. Of course my PR card in under renewal and I do meet the RO. But I didn’t have any issues crossing the border..

I'm just saying what I was told by an agent on the phone when I mentioned that I might have to travel after my PR card expires and I don't have the Oath ceremony yet. I don't have personal experience doing it (yet).

From email she sent me:

Date: 2018-05-01

Good day,

Thank you for contacting Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada. As discussed, you will find below complementary information to our conversation:

Permanent residents outside Canada

If you are a permanent resident outside Canada and you are planning on returning to Canada:

• On a commercial carrier (plane, boat, train or bus):
  • please make sure to have a valid Permanent Resident card (PR card) in your possession,
• Aboard a private vehicle:
  • it is not necessary to have the PR card with you,
  • you can use one of the following immigration documents:
    • Record of Landing (IMM 1000), or
    • Confirmation of Permanent Residence (IMM 5292 or IMM 5688).

If you are outside of Canada and do not have your PR card (or your card has expired):

• You may apply for Permanent resident travel document at a Canadian visa office before returning to Canada,
  • to ensure you are submitting a complete application, please consult the instruction guide.

If you are a new permanent resident of Canada, should you apply for a PR card?

• No, one will be sent to you automatically as part of the immigration process.

 

[Joshua1]

According to CIC

Losing your permanent resident status
You don’t lose your permanent resident status when your PR card expires. You can only lose your status if you go through an official process.

You can lose your permanent resident status if:

• an adjudicator determines you are no longer a permanent resident after an inquiry or PRTD appeal;
• you voluntarily renounce your permanent resident status;
• a removal order is made against you and comes into force; or
• you become a Canadian citizen.

Even if you don't meet the residency obligation, you are still a PR until an official decision is made on your status.

Travel to Canada: you may still be a permanent resident of Canada and not know it
Permanent resident (PR) status does not expire. Even if you haven’t lived in Canada for many years, you could still be a PR. However, you need to prove your PR status to enter Canada. You usually do this by presenting a valid PR card at the border.

If you still have PR status, but don’t have a valid PR card, you have two options for travelling to Canada. You can either:

• apply for a PR travel document (PRTD)
• give up your PR status and then apply for an eTA or visa

Your best option depends on your situation and whether or not you still meet the residency obligation for a PR.

Plan ahead to avoid delays or getting stuck at the airport on your way here. Processing your application will take time. Wait until you have your PRTD, eTA or visa before you book your trip to Canada.