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Quality inssurance exercise...Entry/Exit Record question..

kw2211

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Hey People!!

I have been randomly selected for the QAE exercise and im gathering the docs now...

quick question, the Entry/Exit record is only required when you have residency status and visited the country during your eligibility period? if i visited any country for 1 week (as tourist with visit visa) do i have to obtian Entry/Exist record? visit visa is not a residencey right?

below is what IRCC stated:
Entry/Exit Record
issued by the authorities of your country of citizenship and/or all countries of current or past (permanent or temporary) residency status other than Canada. Refer to the relevant embassy or consulate on how to obtain this record


This is my timeline,
Application received Jan 19,
AOR Feb 21,
IP March 5,
QAE Request March 5,
Planning to submitt my docs April 6
 

btbt

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No, tourism/visits don't count as residency status.

Residency status for this purpose will be all countries where you either hold citizenship, or have some other type of status that would let you live there (PR, work permit,...).
 

kw2211

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I called cic call centre today and they said every single country you traveled to “ even if you were visitor” you need to provide entry/exisit record
 

btbt

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Then the wording in their letter is wrong (or their agent was wrong). Both have been known to happen.
Hope you can get those records without too much hassle.
 

kw2211

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The country i visited doesn’t do this service in the embassy. I have to obtian it by myself from the country. “ Lebanion” which is not an option for me. I will explain that in letter of explanation and i will provide my flight ticket
 

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The country i visited doesn’t do this service in the embassy. I have to obtian it by myself from the country. “ Lebanion” which is not an option for me. I will explain that in letter of explanation and i will provide my flight ticket
If you have someone there, they can do it on your behalf.
 

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do you know how long it takes? and do you know any person in canada can do this service ?"
It's a one week time and you need someone physically there (preferably a relative) who can apply on your behalf.
 

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The country i visited doesn’t do this service in the embassy. I have to obtian it by myself from the country. “ Lebanion” which is not an option for me. I will explain that in letter of explanation and i will provide my flight ticket
If you cannot acquire it you can provide a letter than explains why you are unable to acquire those records. They are aware that not all countries provide such information.
 

dpenabill

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I called cic call centre today and they said every single country you traveled to “ even if you were visitor” you need to provide entry/exisit record
At the risk of overreaching a bit, but a minimal risk, I am confident that there is NO NEED to submit exit/entry records from countries an individual has only briefly visited, countries in which the individual has never actually lived or had status to formally reside in.

Focus on submitting what you can readily obtain.

Obviously I have no authority or standing to contradict an IRCC call centre agent, but it is easy to put this into context. Call centre agents predominantly work off FAQ scripts. They are typically no more an expert than any customer service call centre representative generally. BUT in the IRCC context, it is important for them to avoid giving callers answers that are insufficient or inaccurate, answers that could cause the caller to do something which might have a negative impact.

Thus: First, they respond off the script. Odds are high there are no more than superficial PPQ - QAE related script responses (if any). Secondly, they will err on the side of inclusion in response to a question about what someone needs to provide. Including more than asked has a lot, lot less risk than failing to submit what is asked, let alone what is required.

Third, in this context in particular, my guess is the call centre agent does NOT have a CIT 0205 "Appendix - Required Documents" form in front of them. So the agent is probably responding based more on the agent's understanding of the way the caller frames the question than on what is actually asked in the request sent to the applicant.

In other words, the agent probably is not looking at the precise language in the request, which refers to countries of "RESIDENCE" rather than any or every country ever transited.

Then of course there is what makes sense. Demanding an applicant provide exit/entry records from every country ever transited would make NO practical sense.

And then there is this:

If you cannot acquire it you can provide a letter than explains why you are unable to acquire those records. They are aware that not all countries provide such information.
Precisely.

FOCUS ON PROVIDING a substantive response to the request but NO NEED to get too bogged down in minutia.

If this really is a quality assurance exercise, as IRCC purports it is, a relatively substantial performance response should EASILY suffice. Only if the applicant's response raises concerns, suggests cause for questions, should it raise any issues for the particular applicant. Otherwise, the information submitted (again, assuming it really is a quality assurance exercise) should be examined more in the vein of creating a database of information facilitating an evaluation about how well the application process actually works.

BUT SURE, no need to second-guess much, this "quality assurance exercise" is quite likely as much about identifying questionable applicants as it is in mining data to improve the process. So those "randomly selected" should be diligent and make a concerted effort to reasonably respond, to cover the bases one might say. Emphasis on "reasonably."

In the meantime, see the topic titled: "RQ versus Physical Presence Questionnaires, including CIT 0205" for further discussion.