Difference between COPR & PR - To Claim 15 points for Sibling

[mm1982]

Hello,

My Sister received her PR, last year in June 2017 and she is moving to Canada in March 2018. She just has a copy of COPR at this time.

I recently received an ITA from IRCC at 442 CRS score and I had claimed 15 points for Sibling.

My question is, once she reaches Canada, she will have her address proof and would have opened a bank account but she will not have her PR card yet. She would only have her COPR document which would be stamped by an officer once she lands there.

Can I use that COPR document as one of the requirements to claim 15 points or I have to wait until she gets her actual PR card after 60 days.

My only worry is that IRCC has given us time until May 23rd to submit all the documents.

Any input from any expert will be appreciated.

 

[DelPiero07]

Hello,

My Sister received her PR, last year in June 2017 and she is moving to Canada in March 2018. She just has a copy of COPR at this time.

I recently received an ITA from IRCC at 442 CRS score and I had claimed 15 points for Sibling.

My question is, once she reaches Canada, she will have her address proof and would have opened a bank account but she will not have her PR card yet. She would only have her COPR document which would be stamped by an officer once she lands there.

Can I use that COPR document as one of the requirements to claim 15 points or I have to wait until she gets her actual PR card after 60 days.

My only worry is that IRCC has given us time until May 23rd to submit all the documents.

Any input from any expert will be appreciated.

My question to you would be, why did you claim those 15 points when you fully knew your sister isn't living in Canada AND knowing she is not a PR yet.

 

[mm1982]

My question to you would be, why did you claim those 15 points when you fully knew your sister isn't living in Canada AND knowing she is not a PR yet.

When we filled the Application form it just asked a simple question, "Do you or your spouse have a sibling who is a Canadian Citizen or a Permanent Resident"

Since she already had a copy of her PR we assumed she has a PR and since she is moving to Canada in the month of March it would fall in line with our application.

Now we just learned that the actual PR card arrives after 58 days once she lands there and it will be a disaster to get a rejection.

 

[DelPiero07]

When we filled the Application form it just asked a simple question, "Do you or your spouse have a sibling who is a Canadian Citizen or a Permanent Resident"

Since she already had a copy of her PR we assumed she has a PR and since she is moving to Canada in the month of March it would fall in line with our application.

Now we just learned that the actual PR card arrives after 58 days once she lands there and it will be a disaster to get a rejection.

I'll try to make this clear. As of today she is NOT a PR as she has not finished the landing process. That is, you claimed those points even though she is not a PR. Not having the PR card is irrelevant.

Also, one of the requirements to claim those points is for the sibling to be living in Canada, which again, is not the case.

"To get these points, candidates will need to show that the sibling is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident who is living in Canada and is 18 years of age or older."

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2017/03/express_entry_improvementsspring2017.html

 

[scylla]

100% agreed that your sister is not a PR at this time.

What happens if you claim sibling points and receive ITA before your sibling is actually a PR? Have there been any examples of this on the forum? Does CIC see this as misrepresentation? Or are they OK with it provided the sibling becomes a PR before the PR application is submitted?

I would honestly lean towards declining the ITA. Claiming points you're not entitled to can be dangerous...

 

[mm1982]

I'll try to make this clear. As of today she is NOT a PR as she has not finished the landing process. That is, you claimed those points even though she is not a PR. Not having the PR card is irrelevant.

Also, one of the requirements to claim those points is for the sibling to be living in Canada, which again, is not the case.

"To get these points, candidates will need to show that the sibling is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident who is living in Canada and is 18 years of age or older."

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2017/03/express_entry_improvementsspring2017.html

Thanks DelPiero07 for your prompt response!

We acknowledge the underlying mistake made. But since is moving to Toronto on March 29th, she will have a copy of lease agreement, bank account and a COPR which she will share with me but I guess we technically lied on our original application that at the time of our application she was in Canada on a PR.

Do you think that even after uploading all her documents post her landing would grant us an approval?

 

[DelPiero07]

Thanks DelPiero07 for your prompt response!

We acknowledge the underlying mistake made. But since is moving to Toronto on March 29th, she will have a copy of lease agreement, bank account and a COPR which she will share with me but I guess we technically lied on our original application that at the time of our application she was in Canada on a PR.

Do you think that even after uploading all her documents post her landing would grant us an approval?

I haven't seen anyone attempt to do this in the past so if you're willing to take the risk then up to you. If you do proceed let us know what happens.

 

[krunal2904]

You cannot clims points for sibling until they finished their landing and signed COPR. Your sibling also must be living in canada after PR. If this is the case then you can update your EE profile and get ITA. You can show their signed Copr as proof of Status in Canada..

 

[krunal2904]

I haven't seen anyone attempt to do this in the past so if you're willing to take the risk then up to you. If you do proceed let us know what happens.

You might consider declaine this ITA. CIC is very smart to store all information of your profile. They will check that while filling your EE you said your sibling is PR and actually they are not. You might get a resual due to mispresentation. Better not to take risk just wait one more month to get ITA.

Thanks

 

[scylla]

I would personally decline the ITA and wait for your sister to actually become a PR before claiming these points rather than risk a misrepresentation ban. But I guess that depends on how much a risk you're willing to take and if you have a back-up plan to Canada in the event CIC does make a finding of misrepresentation.

 

[javier.abraham]

Just like the rest said. I would not give this a chance and decline it.

If you need the 15 points just wait for them to land so you can get all the proof.

I even read somewhere that to claim siblings points, your profile should be dated newer than the date of landing. I recreated it just in case but not sure if it's true or not.

 

[krunal2904]

Just like the rest said. I would not give this a chance and decline it.

If you need the 15 points just wait for them to land so you can get all the proof.

I even read somewhere that to claim siblings points, your profile should be dated newer than the date of landing. I recreated it just in case but not sure if it's true or not.

You are taking it wrong way...CIC is saying during the time you claims points for sibling while filling EE profile or updating your profile..your sibling must be PR. There is no make sense to create new EE profile if you already created to just update sibling info..

 

[mm1982]

100% agreed that your sister is not a PR at this time.

What happens if you claim sibling points and receive ITA before your sibling is actually a PR? Have there been any examples of this on the forum? Does CIC see this as misrepresentation? Or are they OK with it provided the sibling becomes a PR before the PR application is submitted?

I would honestly lean towards declining the ITA. Claiming points you're not entitled to can be dangerous...

Agreed! It's certainly dangerous and we can wait for another ITA once they start living in Canada from March onwards so we can expect to get into the draw by 7th April!

Rather wait for some time than get a rejection

 

[scylla]

Agreed! It's certainly dangerous and we can wait for another ITA once they start living in Canada from March onwards so we can expect to get into the draw by 7th April!

Rather wait for some time than get a rejection

Rejection is not the major risk. If you are rejected then you simply apply again. The major risk is a possible misrepresentation finding. If CIC issues a misrepresentation finding, that's a five year ban from Canada and you can forget about coming here in any capacity for the next five years.

 

[javier.abraham]

You are taking it wrong way...CIC is saying during the time you claims points for sibling while filling EE profile or updating your profile..your sibling must be PR. There is no make sense to create new EE profile if you already created to just update sibling info..

Thanks for clearing that for me.