October 11th 2017 - Citizenship Applicants under 3/5 rule

[rajmalhotra7]

Did you also happen to have any old passport(s) that expired before you came to Canada (outside your eligibility) ? I have a stamp in my childhood passport that are partially in a foreign language (date is in English numbers though). Wondering if they would ask for translations for this as well, given the stamp is almost 15 years old. This passport expired in 2007.

IRCC will only need passport since start of 5 year eligibility period to verify stamps.

 

[razerblade]

IRCC will only need passport since start of 5 year eligibility period to verify stamps.

I think all passports that cover the eligibility, either partially or fully. Basically, any passport that could've been used to travel during the eligibility period.

Because there could be a stamp on such a passport with date in foreign characters. Officer won't know whether this date is within or outside the eligibility.

 

[rajmalhotra7]

I think all passports that cover the eligibility, either partially or full. Basically, any passport that could've been used to travel during the eligibility period.

Because there could be a stamp on such a passport with date in foreign characters. Officer won't know whether this date is within or outside the eligibility.

Valid point if that stamp is in your current passport. However, If your passport expired in 2007, then certainly it doesn't required to shown/ submitted to IRCC.

 

[razerblade]

Valid point if that stamp is in your current passport. However, If your passport expired in 2007, then certainly it doesn't required to shown/ submitted to IRCC.

Yeah. I probably will take the passport with me, but not present it. It's totally irrelevant.

 

[RockwoodH]

I'd like to ask people of age 55 and older. How is YOURS process going (time line)?
These people need not test and language confirmation.
How long did you wait for interview, DM and oath? Is yours process faster/slower than 14-54 y.o.applicants?
Do you have Fingerprints request or QR, because when you do not work, the officers might require the additional documentary confirmation of residence in Canada.
Thank you.

 

[mqy]

Post by @mqy is not at all correct. RQ can be issued at any time during the process. For a long while most RQ was issued pre-test based on criteria screened at CPC-Sydney, and thus the pre-test RQ was usually (but not always) issued proximate IP. However, it is not uncommon for processing agents to identify risk indicators during later stages of the process which will result in the issuance of RQ. A common example is RQ issued during or following the interview. The latter could be triggered, for example, if the interviewer identifies a discrepancy in passport stamps versus the presence calculator, or if something about the applicant's address or work history triggers concerns.

In the last three or four years, RQ issued during or following the test-interview seems more common than pre-test RQ issued around the time the application was noted as IP.

In the meantime, the new PPQ - QAE process has been implemented (relatively new, but implemented at least as far back as May, 2017). This purports to randomly select applicants rather than be fact-based, criteria-driven like RQ (RQ has long been issued based on reasons to question the applicant's account of time in Canada, that is, reasons-to-question-residency, risk indicators, or triage criteria). Most (but given a recent report, NOT all) reports indicate this has been proximate IP. And if it is truly randomly imposed, that would indeed suggest that applicants who have not received this within a couple months of IP probably will not get it.

HOWEVER, as I noted, a recent report indicates PPQ received nearly three months after IP.

See topic titled "RQ versus Physical Presence Questionnaires, including CIT 0205" for more in-depth discussion about the PPQ.

There is some question whether the PPQ has replaced RQ. We do not know. Again, see the other topic for more in-depth discussion.

what @dpenabill says does not depend on any scientific evidence. RQ does not exist anymore; it is replaced by QAE. We use RQ in our posts because it is more popular to candidates. I used "Normally" which means "usually" or "mostly" according to any basic dictionary. In my post, I mentioned it's dated with the same day of being IP not the date you receive RQ by mail. Since Sydney is the office which has the authority to send RQ, it is normally dated with the same day of IP. Moreover, you need to send all the RQ documents to your local immigration office not to Sydney because your file is not anymore in Sydney office.
By the way, I got RQ and it was dated with the same day of becoming IP.

@dpenabill you should be careful when describing other's post by "is not at all correct".

 

[mqy]

so i've been IP for a month and I haven't received RQ yet. that means i probably dont need RQ?

MOST PROBABLY you will not get RQ because Sydney office is the main office which assigns the RQ. Your file now in your local office, the next step is expected to be informing you by the date of citizenship exam.
All the best!

 

[razerblade]

MOST PROBABLY you will not get RQ because Sydney office is the main office which assigns the RQ. Your file now in your local office, the next step is expected to be informing you by the date of citizenship exam.
All the best!

Sydney office issues QAE, but RQ can be issued by the local office at any point during your application. Even after the test.

 

[mqy]

Sydney office issues QAE, but RQ can be issued by the local office at any point during your application. Even after the test.

RQ is replaced by QAE in the new rules (3 out of 5). "RQ" is used because it is known more for applicants.
Of-course the local office can ask for additional documents or FP "if necessary".

 

[guddylover]

Anyone have an idea how often or when CIC London would have another ceremony?

 

[marby22]

Have there really been no AORs since the 12th?

 

[dpenabill]

RQ is replaced by QAE in the new rules (3 out of 5).

While it may be the case that IRCC is not currently using RQ (CIT 0171) and instead is only issuing the PPQ - QAE with CIT 0205, that is NOT for sure, that is NOT known.

What is known is that the QAE did NOT replace RQ "in the new rules (3 out of 5)." This is known because the PPQ - QAE has been in use since at least May 2017, some five months prior to when the 3/5 rules took effect and a month prior to Bill C-6 even becoming law. (Currently used version CIT 0205 is the 11-2017 version; participants in this forum who received the PPQ prior to the change in rules report having received the CIT 0205 05-2017 version.)

While it is not absolutely certain, it is almost certain that IRCC will continue to issue a residency/presence questionnaire to SOME applicants based on risk indicators or reasons-to-question-presence. That is, RQ or a version of RQ will continue to be used, triggered by fact-based criteria; that is, FOR CAUSE. If in fact IRCC is now sending such applicants, selected pursuant to fact-based criteria, the PPQ CIT 0205, rather than RQ (CIT 0171), that can happen at ANY STAGE of processing, and as previously correctly noted, in the last two to three years this has more commonly happened at the time of the test/interview or following the test/interview. NOT at the time of IP. While most (BUT not all) of the approximately two dozen forum participants reporting PPQ - QAE since October report getting it proximate IP, NO WHERE NEAR enough time has passed to ascertain to what extent there will be more reports such as the recent one by @hmilywsx who reports receiving PPQ nearly three months after IP.

There is simply not enough evidence to support the proposition that nearly all applicants who will be issued a questionnaire about their presence will get it around the time the application is put into process. And if the percentage of applicants issued a questionnaire is much less than nearly all, that is NO assurance at all that two months after IP the applicant will not be required to respond to RQ (real RQ, CIT 0171) or PPQ - QAE (CIT 0205). (Note: "most" leaves a lot of room for many who are not among the most. That is arithmetic. Not particularly complicated arithmetic either.)

We use RQ in our posts because it is more popular to candidates.

Perhaps RQ is more popular for you. But frankly I am not familiar with any other applicants for citizenship who consider RQ in any way popular.

That is not what you meant? I get that. Nonetheless, in an effort to better understand how things work and to learn ways to better navigate the process, there is a big difference between RQ CIT 0171 and PPQ CIT 0205, the latter in particular requires applicants to submit a Canadian citizen reference, includes a Finger Print request, and purports to be issued RANDOMLY.

The difference between issuing a profoundly intrusive questionnaire randomly, and issuing it for cause, should not be understated or underestimated. It is huge.

No popularity poll necessary to recognize that it is important to recognize such big differences. In this regard, applicants should be aware what is at stake when they have been issued a presence or residency questionnaire FOR CAUSE. That means there is some question about their qualification for citizenship. That means they need to take the opportunity to respond in a way which will fully meet the burden of proving their qualifications, with proof of presence in Canada high on that list. That means they can not rely on IRCC to give them the benefit of an inference of presence between last date of entry and next exit date, an inference which the vast majority of routinely processed applicants benefit from.



SUMMARY:

It is not certain that RQ has been replaced by PPQ (indeed, there have some reports of RQ (as in actually RQ, not PPQ confused with RQ) since IRCC began issuing PPQ).

To the extent participants in the PPQ - QAE are in fact being RANDOMLY selected, those will come from CPC-Sydney and around the same stage of processing. There are, however, significant questions about whether, despite IRCC's statement in its correspondence claiming it is random, whether the PPQ - QAE really is random; even if it is random, at least one report suggests it is sometimes issued at a later stage. And, moreover, either RQ or PPQ will almost certainly continue to be issued at various stages of processing where risk indicators are identified . . . .such as failure to present all passports at interview; discrepancy between passport stamps and presence calculation; discrepancy between presence calculation and CBSA travel history; suspect address identified; suspect employer identified; inconsistent information about applicant discovered in open source like LinkedIn, among other potential triggers for elevated scrutiny and requiring the applicant to affirmatively prove presence.

In the meantime, there is a lot to learn about how IRCC is going to proceed with those randomly selected for the PPQ - QAE, those who may be selected based on CAUSE, and what future criteria will be employed to trigger elevated scrutiny and demands for more information and documentation from some applicants. If we can be fairly precise, that should help us sort out the limited information available.

 

[salimnw]

Application received - 13th October
AOR - November 09
In process - December 07
Test invite - January 9th
Test passed - February 01
Decision made - February 08
Oath invite - February 20
Oath date - March 3

Congratulations in advance for the Oath Ceremony and all the best for your future success!

 

[lonleyplanet1995]

While it may be the case that IRCC is not currently using RQ (CIT 0171) and instead is only issuing the PPQ - QAE with CIT 0205, that is NOT for sure, that is NOT known.

What is known is that the QAE did NOT replace RQ "in the new rules (3 out of 5)." This is known because the PPQ - QAE has been in use since at least May 2017, some five months prior to when the 3/5 rules took effect and a month prior to Bill C-6 even becoming law. (Currently used version CIT 0205 is the 11-2017 version; participants in this forum who received the PPQ prior to the change in rules report having received the CIT 0205 05-2017 version.)

While it is not absolutely certain, it is almost certain that IRCC will continue to issue a residency/presence questionnaire to SOME applicants based on risk indicators or reasons-to-question-presence. That is, RQ or a version of RQ will continue to be used, triggered by fact-based criteria; that is, FOR CAUSE. If in fact IRCC is now sending such applicants, selected pursuant to fact-based criteria, the PPQ CIT 0205, rather than RQ (CIT 0171), that can happen at ANY STAGE of processing, and as previously correctly noted, in the last two to three years this has more commonly happened at the time of the test/interview or following the test/interview. NOT at the time of IP. While most (BUT not all) of the approximately two dozen forum participants reporting PPQ - QAE since October report getting it proximate IP, NO WHERE NEAR enough time has passed to ascertain to what extent there will be more reports such as the recent one by @hmilywsx who reports receiving PPQ nearly three months after IP.

There is simply not enough evidence to support the proposition that nearly all applicants who will be issued a questionnaire about their presence will get it around the time the application is put into process. And if the percentage of applicants issued a questionnaire is much less than nearly all, that is NO assurance at all that two months after IP the applicant will not be required to respond to RQ (real RQ, CIT 0171) or PPQ - QAE (CIT 0205). (Note: "most" leaves a lot of room for many who are not among the most. That is arithmetic. Not particularly complicated arithmetic either.)




Perhaps RQ is more popular for you. But frankly I am not familiar with any other applicants for citizenship who consider RQ in any way popular.

That is not what you meant? I get that. Nonetheless, in an effort to better understand how things work and to learn ways to better navigate the process, there is a big difference between RQ CIT 0171 and PPQ CIT 0205, the latter in particular requires applicants to submit a Canadian citizen reference, includes a Finger Print request, and purports to be issued RANDOMLY.

The difference between issuing a profoundly intrusive questionnaire randomly, and issuing it for cause, should not be understated or underestimated. It is huge.

No popularity poll necessary to recognize that it is important to recognize such big differences. In this regard, applicants should be aware what is at stake when they have been issued a presence or residency questionnaire FOR CAUSE. That means there is some question about their qualification for citizenship. That means they need to take the opportunity to respond in a way which will fully meet the burden of proving their qualifications, with proof of presence in Canada high on that list. That means they can not rely on IRCC to give them the benefit of an inference of presence between last date of entry and next exit date, an inference which the vast majority of routinely processed applicants benefit from.



SUMMARY:

It is not certain that RQ has been replaced by PPQ (indeed, there have some reports of RQ (as in actually RQ, not PPQ confused with RQ) since IRCC began issuing PPQ).

To the extent participants in the PPQ - QAE are in fact being RANDOMLY selected, those will come from CPC-Sydney and around the same stage of processing. There are, however, significant questions about whether, despite IRCC's statement in its correspondence claiming it is random, whether the PPQ - QAE really is random; even if it is random, at least one report suggests it is sometimes issued at a later stage. And, moreover, either RQ or PPQ will almost certainly continue to be issued at various stages of processing where risk indicators are identified . . . .such as failure to present all passports at interview; discrepancy between passport stamps and presence calculation; discrepancy between presence calculation and CBSA travel history; suspect address identified; suspect employer identified; inconsistent information about applicant discovered in open source like LinkedIn, among other potential triggers for elevated scrutiny and requiring the applicant to affirmatively prove presence.

In the meantime, there is a lot to learn about how IRCC is going to proceed with those randomly selected for the PPQ - QAE, those who may be selected based on CAUSE, and what future criteria will be employed to trigger elevated scrutiny and demands for more information and documentation from some applicants. If we can be fairly precise, that should help us sort out the limited information available.

sorry man what does it mean RQ ? BBQ ?

 

[alvarorossa1]

Hey guys, I just realized that I made mistake in one of the addresses for where I live in Canada, its not a big mistake, I forgot to put house number but have the street and zip correct. How do I correct this? I have my interview in few days. Do I just wait and tell the officer in the interview?