The main purpose of Canadian citizenship is just to move to US?

[Officer Green]

Just a little comment:
Canada is not the only country that does not automatically recognize your professional credentials.
For example a foreign doctor is not automatically recognized in Germany.
https://www.anerkennung-in-deutschland.de/html/en/doctor_of_medicine.php
A psychotherapist from the UK cannot automatically work in Austria (both EU)
In fact There is no automatic EU-wide recognition of academic diplomas. You may therefore need to go through a national procedure to get your academic degree or diploma recognised in another EU country, if you seek admission to a further course of study there. If you already know that you will eventually want to pursue further studies in a different country, check before you start whether your diploma will be recognised there.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/education/university/recognition/index_en.htm
The US evaluates foreign credentials
https://www.state.gov/m/dghr/flo/219100.htm

Though the thread has been almost closed, wanted to add my few comments.

Medical profession anywhere in the world is highly regulated. However, it is far more easier for a foreign doctor to work in Germany (provided he/she knows the language) than in Canada (or may be even USA in certain cases). The recognition system is more for quality control in Germany but people blame it is more a red tape in Canada making foreign (non US) trained doctors very hard to enter into the profession. I met surprisingly high number of foreign doctors practicing in Germany. There were more than 41,000 foreign doctors working in Germany in 2016. In Canada, I have met and read about many foreign trained doctors who passed licensing exams but do not get any residency spots as there are very low (negligible spots) for those people. About US, it is said that almost 40% of foreign trained doctors (including non-immigrants licensees) make it to residency. Again, neither UK nor Australia are impossible places for MDs to land in their profession comparatively.

About recognition of education: These days, there are EU wide recognition systems in Universities called ECTS (European Credit Transfer Systems), so one can complete a part of course in Germany and next in Poland and Belgium and so on. Recognition of other foreign degrees are done by university association, that too in nominal to no cost. In Canada too, education recognition system is not that complicated, however it costs a decent amount. Universities in many countries, UK, Germany, US or Canada can determine the equivalency of foreign credential on their own. But recognizing the credential for employment purpose, it is comparatively very hard without a good network, prior experience or reference in Canada.

Main question to live happily in any country is: Do you get a job based on your credential/experience? Are there that many opportunities? Are you preferred or at least treated equally? Do you and your family feel safe where you are? Can you afford a quality and stress free life where you are with what you make?

About the theme of the thread:
We are not living in any notorious dictatorship's regime. Freedom of movement and expression are guaranteed by the constitution. People see the opportunity, safety, and many better things so they immigrate to Canada, and the country in turn gets its future citizens and people who may contribute in any form in any many or any point in future. If immigrants or Canadians think, they are not being able to apply their skills and talents where they are, I don't see any problem in moving from one city to the other or to a different country. Main thing is they should come back to their country of their citizenship if their country wants them in any time in future!

 

[canvis2006]

Canada is not a jail.
Just like most other countries in the world whose citizens are free to obtain passports/visas and travel and/or move elsewhere.
(provided they got the means to do so and legally). Even the illegals move, lol.
So stop worrying and try to live a happy life and stop worrying about mobility rights.

 

[Marooned2]

Guys take it easy on OP, she/he is not talking about rights, he is just suggesting Canada is a nice place to stay.

 

[jamie hito]

Funny someone before in this thread who brought up this country is a nice place to retire.

I hope this sinks in to everyone.

Your 65 and you received your 401k or retirement fund. Lets say it’s $600,000.00, this is if your smart and lucky.
No other sources of money generator, aside from CPP(provided you worked here for a good 20 years. Maybe you’ll get $1000/month) or other work related pension, ie business.

Seniors lives up to a 100 or more these days. You’ll be paying rent(since real estate are frighteningly too expensive it’s unaffordable) or mortgage if still unpaid, add-on health insurance(daily prescriptions and miscellaneous), monthly food expenses, utilities(if you haven’t gone green), ETC...

Your retirement fund will slowly dwindle upto the point you have nothing to show in your name aside from the clothes on your back.

Those who say this country is a good place to stay in for old age is a farce. Nothing is free in canada aside from our TAX subsidized healthcare.

I guess this discussion is relative to the person. You are happy where you at. So live your life and limit brooding against those who made choices different than yours. Because it solves nothing, and it doesn’t earn you a penny each time you think of canadians of convenience. LOL!

 

[itsmyid]

Funny someone before in this thread who brought up this country is a nice place to retire.

I hope this sinks in to everyone.

Your 65 and you received your 401k or retirement fund. Lets say it’s $600,000.00, this is if your smart and lucky.
No other sources of money generator, aside from CPP(provided you worked here for a good 20 years. Maybe you’ll get $1000/month) or other work related pension, ie business.

Seniors lives up to a 100 or more these days. You’ll be paying rent(since real estate are frighteningly too expensive it’s unaffordable) or mortgage if still unpaid, add-on health insurance(daily prescriptions and miscellaneous), monthly food expenses, utilities(if you haven’t gone green), ETC...

Your retirement fund will slowly dwindle upto the point you have nothing to show in your name aside from the clothes on your back.

Those who say this country is a good place to stay in for old age is a farce. Nothing is free in canada aside from our TAX subsidized healthcare.

I guess this discussion is relative to the person. You are happy where you at. So live your life and limit brooding against those who made choices different than yours. Because it solves nothing, and it doesn’t earn you a penny each time you think of canadians of convenience. LOL!

Exactly, people make choices to get to where they want to be and what makes them happy, the choices may be considered sacrifice by some and blessing by others, as long as it's a personal choice and affects the person who makes the choice only, it's nobody's business to pass judgement or 'give pass' on these people.

One funny thing I noticed is some people just hold on to the free healthcare like Gollum holding on to his precious ring... constantly thinking everybody else is trying to take it, but the reality is, if someone gets sick in another country and wants to come back to Canada to 'take advantage of the free healthcare', in many provinces he would need to wait for 3 months to be eligible, while the prescription drugs and many other things are not covered regardless, adding to the cost of relocation and treatment without coverage for the first 3 months, and the long wait time for an appointment with the doctor once he becomes eligible... he might as well just shoot himself since by the time he gets to see the doctor he's probably already dead or close to being dead.

As to the CPP pension, the government is already running out of money with their spending waste and various 'generous' free money programs, and that's why the cons wanted to raise the retirement age from 65 to 67, so people can contribute two more years of taxes before they can start collecting (and reduce their time of collection by two years), but the liberals reversed it as their campaign promise - the population has been aging progressively, which means there will be more old people trying to collect that money a couple of decades from now, but problem is there would not be enough money in there, since there will be fewer young people paying taxes

 

[jamie hito]

Exactly, people make choices to get to where they want to be and what makes them happy, the choices may be considered sacrifice by some and blessing by others, as long as it's a personal choice and affects the person who makes the choice only, it's nobody's business to pass judgement or 'give pass' on these people.

One funny thing I noticed is some people just hold on to the free healthcare like Gollum holding on to his precious ring... constantly thinking everybody else is trying to take it, but the reality is, if someone gets sick in another country and wants to come back to Canada to 'take advantage of the free healthcare', in many provinces he would need to wait for 3 months to be eligible, while the prescription drugs and many other things are not covered regardless, adding to the cost of relocation and treatment without coverage for the first 3 months, and the long wait time for an appointment with the doctor once he becomes eligible... he might as well just shoot himself since by the time he gets to see the doctor he's probably already dead or close to being dead.

As to the CPP pension, the government is already running out of money with their spending waste and various 'generous' free money programs, and that's why the cons wanted to raise the retirement age from 65 to 67, so people can contribute two more years of taxes before they can start collecting (and reduce their time of collection by two years), but the liberals reversed it as their campaign promise - the population has been aging progressively, which means there will be more old people trying to collect that money a couple of decades from now, but problem is there would not be enough money in there, since there will be fewer young people paying taxes

You are right!

Canada being a welfare State needs new blood, young bloods(immigrants like you and us), to fund the very fragile system.

Hence, we are all caught up between a rock and a hard place.

At the end of the day, those who settle with what they have on their plate settles. Those who aren’t satisfied and ambitious enough, will pursue a life of abundance. So no need to diss anyone nor countries or its leaders whom you think posseses morals that differs yours. Because none cares another mans existence until it affects their lot in life.

 

[screech339]

Exactly, people make choices to get to where they want to be and what makes them happy, the choices may be considered sacrifice by some and blessing by others, as long as it's a personal choice and affects the person who makes the choice only, it's nobody's business to pass judgement or 'give pass' on these people.

One funny thing I noticed is some people just hold on to the free healthcare like Gollum holding on to his precious ring... constantly thinking everybody else is trying to take it, but the reality is, if someone gets sick in another country and wants to come back to Canada to 'take advantage of the free healthcare', in many provinces he would need to wait for 3 months to be eligible, while the prescription drugs and many other things are not covered regardless, adding to the cost of relocation and treatment without coverage for the first 3 months, and the long wait time for an appointment with the doctor once he becomes eligible... he might as well just shoot himself since by the time he gets to see the doctor he's probably already dead or close to being dead.

As to the CPP pension, the government is already running out of money with their spending waste and various 'generous' free money programs, and that's why the cons wanted to raise the retirement age from 65 to 67, so people can contribute two more years of taxes before they can start collecting (and reduce their time of collection by two years), but the liberals reversed it as their campaign promise - the population has been aging progressively, which means there will be more old people trying to collect that money a couple of decades from now, but problem is there would not be enough money in there, since there will be fewer young people paying taxes

You do realize that there is no 3 month wait in Alberta. So if someone were to catch the illness early enough and can't afford the medical cost themselves, they can always go to Alberta and get immediate coverage. Of course, they would have to stay in Alberta for a few months but I am sure that they something they are willing to do if it saves themselves the medical cost. Again if the illness is caught early enough, a 3 month wait is nothing.

As for the medical system Canada has, it needs major reforms to be able to tackle the wait time issues, major drawback of free medical care. Canada needs a mixed private / public care much like the European version. Unfortunately Trudeau Sr, banned that in the constitution. Since medical care most likely never be reformed, at least for the time being protect it as much as possible from abuse. (More red/white OHIP cards in Ontario than population of Ontario)

You can blame the liberals for being blind about the reality of CPP long term problem. The PC tried to fixed the problem by increasing the age qualification to 67, something that most of the countries with similar programs were doing. I guess the liberals still believe that the budget will balance itself. Wonder when that will happen.

 

[itsmyid]

You do realize that there is no 3 month wait in Alberta. So if someone were to catch the illness early enough and can't afford the medical cost themselves, they can always go to Alberta and get immediate coverage. Of course, they would have to stay in Alberta for a few months but I am sure that they something they are willing to do if it saves themselves the medical cost. Again if the illness is caught early enough, a 3 month wait is nothing.

As for the medical system Canada has, it needs major reforms to be able to tackle the wait time issues, major drawback of free medical care. Canada needs a mixed private / public care much like the European version. Unfortunately Trudeau Sr, banned that in the constitution. Since medical care most likely never be reformed, at least for the time being protect it as much as possible from abuse. (More red/white OHIP cards in Ontario than population of Ontario)

You can blame the liberals for being blind about the reality of CPP long term problem. The PC tried to fixed the problem by increasing the age qualification to 67, something that most of the countries with similar programs were doing. I guess the liberals still believe that the budget will balance itself. Wonder when that will happen.

Sure, Alberta has no 3-months waiting period - thanks for the valuable tip - so all the Canadian of convenience will flood Alberta with already limited resources and longer waiting time, just like the black Friday sale - and guess what? in the end only a lucky few get the door buster items, and most people end up dying for all the delay and wait, that's what happens to the 'free' system, nothing is really free in this world and you get what you pay for. Any 'Canadian of convenience' who fails to see that is dumb enough and deserve what's coming

 

[steaky]

Funny someone before in this thread who brought up this country is a nice place to retire.

I hope this sinks in to everyone.

Your 65 and you received your 401k or retirement fund. Lets say it’s $600,000.00, this is if your smart and lucky.
No other sources of money generator, aside from CPP(provided you worked here for a good 20 years. Maybe you’ll get $1000/month) or other work related pension, ie business.

Seniors lives up to a 100 or more these days. You’ll be paying rent(since real estate are frighteningly too expensive it’s unaffordable) or mortgage if still unpaid, add-on health insurance(daily prescriptions and miscellaneous), monthly food expenses, utilities(if you haven’t gone green), ETC...

Your retirement fund will slowly dwindle upto the point you have nothing to show in your name aside from the clothes on your back.

Those who say this country is a good place to stay in for old age is a farce. Nothing is free in canada aside from our TAX subsidized healthcare.

I guess this discussion is relative to the person. You are happy where you at. So live your life and limit brooding against those who made choices different than yours. Because it solves nothing, and it doesn’t earn you a penny each time you think of canadians of convenience. LOL!

Real estate prices still remain low in many cities such as Winnipeg and Thunder Bay. Using your example, there a condo only cost less than 200k and the retiree still have more than 400k in the bank.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Canada is not a jail.
Just like most other countries in the world whose citizens are free to obtain passports/visas and travel and/or move elsewhere.
(provided they got the means to do so and legally). Even the illegals move, lol.
So stop worrying and try to live a happy life and stop worrying about mobility rights.

Canada is a free country and obviously no one can ever stop its citizens, born or naturalized, from leaving the country. So it's not mobility rights that the opposition of "Canadian of Convenience" is trying to tackle. It seems lots of posters in this thread is missing this: they're trying to stop, or at least make it extremely difficult for potential Canadian of Convenience to get citizenship in the first place. This is why they increased the physical residence requirement in the previous citizenship bill, as well as the "intend to reside" clause.

 

[jamie hito]

Real estate prices still remain low in many cities such as Winnipeg and Thunder Bay. Using your example, there a condo only cost less than 200k and the retiree still have more than 400k in the bank.

Are you that serious?

You know only a few retires with half a million dollars on pocket right? Mostly those who had college(university) degrees if they where wise.

Since your too extravagantly pro canadian retiree, are you gonna give each of us or them the 200K dollars to use for purchase of that condo of yours in Winnipeg or Thunder Bay?
Question I should have asked, do you have that amount of money at hand when you retire, or people still need to loan it?

I’m only being realistic here friend.

 

[itsmyid]

Real estate prices still remain low in many cities such as Winnipeg and Thunder Bay. Using your example, there a condo only cost less than 200k and the retiree still have more than 400k in the bank.

You were missing at least 2 things:
1. retirees can't just live in any condos that cost less than 200K, they need to live in locations where grocery shopping and medical care are within reasonable distance, that usually will lead to higher price of condo and other living expenses
2. don't forget about the management fee of condos, especially older and cheaper condos usually have higher management fees that add up quickly

 

[itsmyid]

On a related topic: last night on GlobalTV's evening news, there was this guy from Alberta (born and raised there) but competed in South Korea for an African country Eritrea (where his parents are from) and hailed as the first Olympian of that country, and GlobalTV reported this story with nothing but pride and praises - that's the Canadian spirit we love and feel proud of being associated with, not some narrow minded bickering about how others are coming here to take advantage of free healthcare

 

[sansnom]

During the C-6 committee hearings, I remember someone brought an idea to better resolve "Canadian of Convenience" than tackle them on citizenship/immigration law side. I can't remember the exact words, but her idea was to tax all Canadian citizens regardless the country of residency. In this way Canada has enough revenues that can cover the potential cost when they return to Canada.

 

[ZingyDNA]

During the C-6 committee hearings, I remember someone brought an idea to better resolve "Canadian of Convenience" than tackle them on citizenship/immigration law side. I can't remember the exact words, but her idea was to tax all Canadian citizens regardless the country of residency. In this way Canada has enough revenues that can cover the potential cost when they return to Canada.

This is what the US is doing to its citizens abroad, right? I'm not sure how it works, though. If an American lives and works in Canada, does s/he have to pay taxes to both US and Canada?