proxy wedding question

[Egypt2018]

Question if you do the fath7a, in libya. only has to be libya the fath7a is marriage ceremony is done by only your father and her father, and the witness all the guest of 300 people.. and then you become legally married in libya.. would that be acceptable marriage. or would they called a proxy wedding ? and be refused.


please and thank you

 

[Miraclejj]

Question if you do the fath7a, in libya. only has to be libya the fath7a is marriage ceremony is done by only your father and her father, and the witness all the guest of 300 people.. and then you become legally married in libya.. would that be acceptable marriage. or would they called a proxy wedding ? and be refused.


please and thank you

It is a proxy marriage in the eyes of CIC. The definition of a valid marriage defined by CIC is that the couple have to be both physically presented when they are married.

 

[Egypt2018]

i dont know what to do, i have all the documents, marriage contact and civil authority letter saying we are married, we met in egypt had a mini family reception, then her father and my father did the marriage (fath7a) in Libya 10 days later. some people on the internet are saying if it is recognized in that country the government here will accept it.

 

[JulianaAndrew]

if it is recognized in that country the government here will accept it.

You couldn't be more wrong about this. If the marriage isn't according to the laws in Canada, it won't be recognized by Canada, at the very least for immigration purposes. To the eyes of CIC, you are not married. From a simple Google search, you can find this on websites:

Generally, your foreign marriage will be recognized by the Canadian government, if the marriage:

• Is legal according to the laws of the place where it occurred; and
• Complies with Canada's federal laws on marriage.

And, from IRCC's website:

Does IRCC recognize marriages conducted by proxy, telephone, internet and fax?
No. We don’t recognize these types of marriages. If one or both parties are not physically present at the ceremony, we won’t recognize the marriage.

You cannot apply for spousal sponsorship until you actually get married. Just get married like almost everyone else's does, in person.

 

[scylla]

i dont know what to do, i have all the documents, marriage contact and civil authority letter saying we are married, we met in egypt had a mini family reception, then her father and my father did the marriage (fath7a) in Libya 10 days later. some people on the internet are saying if it is recognized in that country the government here will accept it.

As explained above, the marriage will not be recognized by Canada and will not be accepted for immigration purposes. You will need to get remarried with both of you physically present.

 

[Egypt2018]

Thank you for your advice,
so us meeting in egypt, had our family there did the mini family reception have pictures and only way in our libyan culture was to do it in Libya, where in our culture the bride and groom dont attend the reading of the vows, its only done by your fathers. not the bride or groom

how does some get re married agian ? ? doesn't make sense

 

[Rob_TO]

Thank you for your advice,
so us meeting in egypt, had our family there did the mini family reception have pictures and only way in our libyan culture was to do it in Libya, where in our culture the bride and groom dont attend the reading of the vows, its only done by your fathers. not the bride or groom

how does some get re married agian ? ? doesn't make sense

The legal marriage would have to be performed in Egypt where you are both present. It would have to meet legal requirements according to Egyptian law since that is the country you're in.

 

[Egypt2018]

totally understand, but no way would that work, we are libyans. we just dont get married in Egypt...

 

[scylla]

totally understand, but no way would that work, we are libyans. we just dont get married in Egypt...

If you cannot get legally married in Egypt and also cannot be married in Libya while both of you are there in person - then you will need to travel to a third country where you can both be there together physically to get married.

 

[Egypt2018]

again we are libyans, we need to be married in the Libyan system, how would they know if i was there in LIBYA or not.. the fath7a is only held by the fathers and elders of the family. i have no pictures of the fath7a only men and iman reading the vows , and i added a picture of the traintional close she wears on that day

 

[JulianaAndrew]

again we are libyans, we need to be married in the Libyan system, how would they know if i was there in LIBYA or not.. the fath7a is only held by the fathers and elders of the family. i have no pictures of the fath7a only men and iman reading the vows , and i added a picture of the traintional close she wears on that day

You don't seem to understand the situation. You are not legally married. If you want CIC to recognize your marriage, you will have to get legally married. There is no other way around it. Again, you have to marry your wife some way that isn't a proxy wedding/marriage.

 

[Rob_TO]

again we are libyans, we need to be married in the Libyan system, how would they know if i was there in LIBYA or not.. the fath7a is only held by the fathers and elders of the family. i have no pictures of the fath7a only men and iman reading the vows , and i added a picture of the traintional close she wears on that day

They ask a specific question in the app if you were physically present at your legal wedding. Unless you want to lie and commit misrepresentation, you must answer 'no' which will cause the app to be rejected as the marriage would not be seen as valid.

So find a way to get legally married in person while together, live 12 months together to become common-law, or don't apply for PR. It's as simple as that.

 

[scylla]

Again, you're not legally married for Canadian immigration purposes.

If you say you attended the wedding but you didn't - this is misrepresentation which could result in the application being refused and your wife being banned from Canada for five years. CIC will expect to see wedding photos with the two of you together. I think CIC would fine it extremely unusual for there to be no wedding pictures of the husband and wife together. If you want to try to lie - it's your life. Just be prepared for the very high possibility of the 5 year ban.

 

[Egypt2018]

They ask a specific question in the app if you were physically present at your legal wedding. Unless you want to lie and commit misrepresentation, you must answer 'no' which will cause the app to be rejected as the marriage would not be seen as valid.

So find a way to get legally married in person while together, live 12 months together to become common-law, or don't apply for PR. It's as simple as that.

where does it say that in the app ?

 

[Miraclejj]

again we are libyans, we need to be married in the Libyan system, how would they know if i was there in LIBYA or not.. the fath7a is only held by the fathers and elders of the family. i have no pictures of the fath7a only men and iman reading the vows , and i added a picture of the traintional close she wears on that day

Please understand that you are about to apply immigration to Canada, if the Canadian law says that the Canadian government doesn't recognize the marriage that one or both of you were not physically presented, then nothing you can argue about. Find a way to be married in a third country, like many did. Me and my wife were married in US, and US is a third country for both of us.