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Refugees have been forgotten running from war torn countries

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It is unfortunate, but the reality is that Canada (or most other countries for that matter) cann’t accept that many refugees.
 
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very very sad and heartbreaking to see this. when world turn its back on vulnerable groups.

9 women and kids frozen to death trying to cross in Lebanon. when world turn its back on vulnerable groups.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/refugees-frozen-lebanon-syria-border-180119180011632.html

twitter is full of their photos and its really a heartbreaking :"(
There are many stable middle eastern countries with a low population density. They could easily take in these refugees. I think it's quite unfair that people in general constantly talk about how the West is turning their backs on refugees without once mentioning how the stable middle-eastern states have failed to resettle a single refugee.

It's sad and it's heartbreaking, I'm with you on that, but it's extremely wrong for people to characterize the world as "turning their backs."

When the US was conscripting men to serve in Vietnam against their will, Canada welcomed them with open arms.

When Germany was divided, West Germany would gladly accept any East German who managed to cross the Iron Curtain.

When war was raging in Bosnia, thousands of people fled to Western Europe and were largely accepted.

IMO, if a county's neighbour were to face issues, I would accept that country to lend a helping hand, and as history as shown us, that's usually what happens. Canada, the EU, and the US cannot be responsible for the entire world's issues. It should be Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and the Persian gulf states that should take in the largest number of refugees, not Germany and France.

It's a sad thing when Israel -- a country that's officially in a state of war with Syria -- has resettled more Syrian refugees than most of the middle-eastern nations combined.

(and resettlement does not mean just letting them in, it means giving them access to basic services, identification papers, and fundamental human rights, which rarely happens in places like Lebanon where asylum seekers are dumped in walled-off camps and forgotten.)
 

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There are many stable middle eastern countries with a low population density. They could easily take in these refugees. I think it's quite unfair that people in general constantly talk about how the West is turning their backs on refugees without once mentioning how the stable middle-eastern states have failed to resettle a single refugee.

It's sad and it's heartbreaking, I'm with you on that, but it's extremely wrong for people to characterize the world as "turning their backs."

When the US was conscripting men to serve in Vietnam against their will, Canada welcomed them with open arms.

When Germany was divided, West Germany would gladly accept any East German who managed to cross the Iron Curtain.

When war was raging in Bosnia, thousands of people fled to Western Europe and were largely accepted.

IMO, if a county's neighbour were to face issues, I would accept that country to lend a helping hand, and as history as shown us, that's usually what happens. Canada, the EU, and the US cannot be responsible for the entire world's issues. It should be Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and the Persian gulf states that should take in the largest number of refugees, not Germany and France.

It's a sad thing when Israel -- a country that's officially in a state of war with Syria -- has resettled more Syrian refugees than most of the middle-eastern nations combined.

(and resettlement does not mean just letting them in, it means giving them access to basic services, identification papers, and fundamental human rights, which rarely happens in places like Lebanon where asylum seekers are dumped in walled-off camps and forgotten.)
Hi Rish, to correct and reflect the true numbers , according to the official numbers, what you say above is not true.

vulnerable groups numbers from syria.

stable middle-eastern states have taken:
Turkey more than 3.5Million
Lebanon more than 2.2 Million
Jordan more than 1.2 Million

Egypt more than 100,000 thousands,,etc...
Saudi more than half a million

See the below link for the Syrian figures only, other nationalities are not included in these statistics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Every Soul is important, women and kids from war torn countries are important. didn't the world fail them by not stopping the wars in their country.
 
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Hi Rish, to correct and reflect the true numbers , according to the official numbers, what you say above is not true.

vulnerable groups numbers from syria.

stable middle-eastern states have taken:
Turkey more than 3.5Million
Lebanon more than 2.2 Million
Jordan more than 1.2 Million

Egypt more than 100,000 thousands,,etc...
Saudi more than half a million

See the below link for the Syrian figures only, other nationalities are not included in these statistics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Every Soul is important, women and kids from war torn countries are important. didn't the world fail them by not stopping the wars in their country.
There's a difference between taking in and resettling. Countries may do the former, but as I said, there has been no resettlement going on. (Something I mentioned in my original post.)

Turkey may take them in, but they're on a boat to Greece within a week.

Lebanon (not very stable now btw) dumps then in camps, denying them ID papers, work rights, civil rights, etc. Same for Jordan. Virtually every refugee in Europe/North America was in Turkey, Lebanon, or Jordan at some point in time but decided to continue on because of the squalid conditions.

Egypt is not really middle-eastern, and tbh I don't really know the situation there, but I doubt it's good, and pls don't get me started on Saudi.

I do believe every soul is important, but IMO it's Syria's neighbours that need to step up and give these people a shot at a life.
 

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didn't the world fail them by not stopping the wars in their country.
Until someone figures out how to eliminate jealousy, the urge for revenge, political and religious ideology, lust, greed, vengeance, animosity, distrust and a whole host of other human attributes, it’s highly unlikely the world will ever be able to stop any war where one group pursues an objective that they feel is true. The results will always be sad, with the innocent paying the price. The spiecies is hardwired to compete and any competition can ultimately result in war (that’s what competition is....just look at the atrocities that occur over stupid soccer games) and until the entire spieces shares common goals, values, ideology and emotions, war, at some level, will be inevitable. To expect the rest of the world (western or not) to end these conflicts and save these souls is naive and unreasonable. There is always a looser and losers nearly always hold some sort of grudge that comes back to rear it’s head. People have long memories and a penchant to hold those grudges for generations. Intervention mearly dictates one groups collective values and objective on on the minorities they seek to dominate and control. Intervene, and someone is always unhappy with the result.

Not to legitimize inaction, but really, where should the world start? The list is extensive and the reasons diverse.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts
Who gets to choose? Do we nip them in the bud before they start or intervene in the longest running conflict? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_separatism_in_Khuzestan
Maybe we should deal with our own aboriginal issues first? http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/we-are-dying-maskwacis-community-members-overwhelmed-by-suicides-1.4486933
Which is the priority? Syria? If we go by the total number of deaths, Afghanistan and Somalia should be our first priorities.....so how do the Syrian and Papuans, Congolese or Colombians feel about waiting their turn? How do the 13 million + German refugees and their decendents of WW2 feel about the world stepping up its game now? Or the Polish refugees? Or the Chinese who fled to Taiwan? Or the Jews? No animosity there.
 
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