Baby Girl born Outside Canada

[noorulhuda]

Hello everyone,

A family of my relatives has landed to Canada in 2014 with their 3 children and then returned back to Pakistan after a 3 months of stay due to some unavoidable reasons. All of them got PR. But, last baby is born in Pakistan i.e. outside Canada. Now, the family want to move Canada.

Please let me know what will be the Paper-Based procedure to include the new baby for PR. Kindly share the experience someone had.

Regards.

 

[Bs65]

To clarify given they landed in 2014 and despite fact they stayed only 3 months have they now or are they about to fail the residency obligation having been away for possibly more than 3 years by the time they return ?

 

[Bs65]

See here for similar question albeit India not Pakistan but same principle applies

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/applying-pr-for-child-from-india.534172/

They need to be back in and remain in Canada in order to sponsor the baby for PR, there is no option to add children post a PR landing.

If they have not met the residency obligation by the the time they return then it is advisable to not try any sponsorship until such time they are back in compliance otherwise it is possible their PR status might be revoked.

Others can correct me but believe in the mean time they will need to apply for a TRV for the baby until such time they can sponsor a PR application from within Canada.

 

[noorulhuda]

To clarify given they landed in 2014 and despite fact they stayed only 3 months have they now or are they about to fail the residency obligation having been away for possibly more than 3 years by the time they return ?

The family has June 2018 to land before PR revocation.

 

[noorulhuda]

See here for similar question albeit India not Pakistan but same principle applies

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/applying-pr-for-child-from-india.534172/

They need to be back in and remain in Canada in order to sponsor the baby for PR, there is no option to add children post a PR landing.

If they have not met the residency obligation by the the time they return then it is advisable to not try any sponsorship until such time they are back in compliance otherwise it is possible their PR status might be revoked.

Others can correct me but believe in the mean time they will need to apply for a TRV for the baby until such time they can sponsor a PR application from within Canada.

The family has only TRV as an option. Thanks for reply.

 

[scylla]

The family has June 2018 to land before PR revocation.

Are you calculating this from the time they landed? Or the time their PR card expires? You need to do the calculation from the time they landed. The expiry date on their PR card is irrelevant. If they landed in 2014 and remain in Canada for three months - that means the latest they possibly have to return before they are in violation of RO is February 2018 (not June). Of course it could be earlier - again, depends on when they landed in 2014.

 

[Rob_TO]

The family has June 2018 to land before PR revocation.

Once they have been outside Canada 3 years after landing as a PR, they would be in violation of residency obligation.

 

[noorulhuda]

Once they have been outside Canada 3 years after landing as a PR, they would be in violation of residency obligation.

Thanks Rob_TO,

Is it a general rule applied to everyone?

 

[noorulhuda]

Are you calculating this from the time they landed? Or the time their PR card expires? You need to do the calculation from the time they landed. The expiry date on their PR card is irrelevant. If they landed in 2014 and remain in Canada for three months - that means the latest they possibly have to return before they are in violation of RO is February 2018 (not June). Of course it could be earlier - again, depends on when they landed in 2014.

They told me that their PR is valid for 5 years. Anyhow, I will asked them to confirm the expiry date mentioned on PR card.

 

[Buletruck]

Their PR has no validity date. Once a PR, always a PR unless the status is revoked by the government or renounced by the individual. Their PR card is valid for 5 years. In the first 5 years after the date they landed and became a PR, they must reside in Canada 730 days (2 years). If they do not meet this requirement, they are in violation of the requirement and the government can start the process to revoke their PR status. As previously noted the date of the PR card is irrelevant and is not used to determine if they meet the residency requirement. The card is only a travel document (like a passport for Permenent residents).

 

[scylla]

They told me that their PR is valid for 5 years. Anyhow, I will asked them to confirm the expiry date mentioned on PR card.

That's not how PR works.

Again, the expiry date on their PR card does not matter. All that matters is when they landed and became PRs.

If they go off their PR card date, they may find their PR status revoked.

 

[noorulhuda]

Their PR has no validity date. Once a PR, always a PR unless the status is revoked by the government or renounced by the individual. Their PR card is valid for 5 years. In the first 5 years after the date they landed and became a PR, they must reside in Canada 730 days (2 years). If they do not meet this requirement, they are in violation of the requirement and the government can start the process to revoke their PR status. As previously noted the date of the PR card is irrelevant and is not used to determine if they meet the residency requirement. The card is only a travel document (like a passport for Permenent residents).

Thanks Buletruck

 

[noorulhuda]

That's not how PR works.

Again, the expiry date on their PR card does not matter. All that matters is when they landed and became PRs.

If they go off their PR card date, they may find their PR status revoked.

Thanks scylla

 

[noorulhuda]

Their PR has no validity date. Once a PR, always a PR unless the status is revoked by the government or renounced by the individual. Their PR card is valid for 5 years. In the first 5 years after the date they landed and became a PR, they must reside in Canada 730 days (2 years). If they do not meet this requirement, they are in violation of the requirement and the government can start the process to revoke their PR status. As previously noted the date of the PR card is irrelevant and is not used to determine if they meet the residency requirement. The card is only a travel document (like a passport for Permenent residents).

I understand how PR works. But they have still time to keep it valid by spending the remaining period of 2 years.

 

[Buletruck]

If they landed on the last day of 2014 and stayed until the last day of March 2015 (3 months), they would need to be in Canada before the end of March 2018 or they won’t have the required 2 years in 5 to meet RO. And that the absolute best case scenario. Their time to meet RO is rapidly running out, if it hasn’t already. If they enter Canada and CBSA feels they don’t/won’t have sufficient time to meet RO, they can report them for not being compliant even before the 5 year period is up.