Misrepresentation

[sankyx]

Hello I need your help to explain an idiot friend (after you read the post you will see why I'm calling him idiot) why he can't do what he wants to do.

Here is the thing: I have my friend who wants to fill his express entry profile, but now he saw his IELTS is over two years old, he can't take the test until April but he wants to fill the express entry profile to get a job seeker code. For that he wants to use a "mistaken" IELTS number with his old results. I'm telling him he can't do that because it's misrepresentation and he could be ban, ban, but he says he score is too low and he won't get an invitation, hence the VO might not even see it, but will be high enough to get into the pool (his score in 280s that's why he didn't fill the we before)

Do you have example of friend la or in this forum of people getting banned for this so I can show him? Or your opinion? He always review the forum so maybe he will see this post and pit some attention.

Any help will be appreciate so I can convince him to not get baned

 

[Coming-canada]

His profile will not be eligible because ietls is not vaild for 2 years.

 

[sankyx]

His profile will not be eligible because ietls is not vaild for 2 years.

I know and he knows. That's why he will use his old IELTS but will change the date of the test!!! Which, I believe, would be misrepresentation

 

[scylla]

A score of 280 is never going to be selected. So there's really no point in even setting up an EE profile.

Technically it is misrepresentation. However he's not going to get a misrepresentation ban just for setting up an EE profile.

 

[sankyx]

A score of 280 is never going to be selected. So there's really no point in even setting up an EE profile.

Technically it is misrepresentation. However he's not going to get a misrepresentation ban just for setting up an EE profile.

Yes, he knows he won't be selected. He wants to do it for the purpose of getting a job seeker of for the job bank and be able to apply for jobs.

His reasoning is he will never be selected with His score so no GO will review his case for now. But he will be able to maybe be matched for a job and be able to apply job and even in the rare case he can get a job by the time the employer gets the LMIA he will already has his new results.

In short, he wants to do it to get access to the job seeker pool before his next IELTS test in April

 

[onkarsharan]

Yes, he knows he won't be selected. He wants to do it for the purpose of getting a job seeker of for the job bank and be able to apply for jobs.

His reasoning is he will never be selected with His score so no GO will review his case for now. But he will be able to maybe be matched for a job and be able to apply job and even in the rare case he can get a job by the time the employer gets the LMIA he will already has his new results.

In short, he wants to do it to get access to the job seeker pool before his next IELTS test in April

Even with he goes through the infinitesimal chance of getting a job through their job portal, he will earn 50 points, which still will not be of any use.

 

[sankyx]

A job offer for him is 200. Plus he has to do better in the IELTS.

 

[vensak]

A job offer for him is 200. Plus he has to do better in the IELTS.

Only senior managerial positions can get you 200 points. (NOC beginning with 00).
But his current estimated CRS does suggest that this is not the case (it is very uncommon to have people on top management positions without a post secondary education).
Also job bank a place with close to 0 change to actually getting hired. Would he already have a job offer, but his future employer does have to go through LMIA, he himself does not need to be registered in the job bank at all. That one is just for the company to show, that they did search for a suitable candidate (and it is very popular because it is a free tool, but because it is used mainly for LMIA there are not many real openings there).

It would have been much easier for him to check Indeed.ca or Monster.ca rather than creating EE profile.

But the truth to be said. You can make and activate your profile in EE. Then you can get access to the job bank and then you can delete (withdraw) your EE profile, but you will still have that job bank access.

 

[sankyx]

Look, he know that Even with top grade in English with his age and degree he will get only low 400's so he need the job offer. So he wants to get ahead and start to see if he can get a job.

I know is misrepresentation and he knows it too. But his logic is no VO will ever see a a profile with score so low. I think they will do it anyway and he might even lose his Visitor visa for that.

What s your opinion? Is he being too optimistic or I'm too pessimist

 

[hamgha]

Look, he know that Even with top grade in English with his age and degree he will get only low 400's so he need the job offer. So he wants to get ahead and start to see if he can get a job.

I know is misrepresentation and he knows it too. But his logic is no VO will ever see a a profile with score so low. I think they will do it anyway and he might even lose his Visitor visa for that.

What s your opinion? Is he being too optimistic or I'm too pessimist

uhm... what's the point of him doing that? let him take the test and wait. he doesn't need to have a job seeker code to apply for jobs if it's really what he wants. honestly you did enough for your friend. let him get in trouble if he still insists. his problem not yours, you explained things to him the way they are. if he gets an ITA with a false IELTS it will cause him problems. your friend is being ridiculous and obviously insisting on doing things his way. his problem not yours.

 

[vensak]

Look, he know that Even with top grade in English with his age and degree he will get only low 400's so he need the job offer. So he wants to get ahead and start to see if he can get a job.

I know is misrepresentation and he knows it too. But his logic is no VO will ever see a a profile with score so low. I think they will do it anyway and he might even lose his Visitor visa for that.

What s your opinion? Is he being too optimistic or I'm too pessimist

Here are the technicalities. Eventually he will want to get PR. Most of PR for the skilled immigrants do go through EE now. At the moment he will submit his ITA, the officer could see whole history on his EE profile and also the history of the previous EE profiles. But of course, chances for them to check his old profiles in detail are really now.

Now what you are saying about his CRS does not make sense.
1. 280 CRS indicates somebody with 1-2 years of post secondary diplomas. Anything beyond 3 years with just minimum applicable English would score over 300.
2. He could have lost a lot because of his age, but at certain point your age can make you ineligible for EE as such (67 points needed to enter it).
3. So if he has now around 280 and he had to get CBL in one of the languages, he would no way make it to 400 even with perfect language skills.
Why? His education ECA is more or less given; he could get up to 50 points for transferability at max. and of course some points for better language. But at max he can go up by around 70-75 points and that's it. So that would be like 350 with perfect language.
So unless he plans to learn second language he would not be touching 400 mark.

 

[TempResident]

This whole situation is absurd, from you asking on behalf of your "friend" to your friend who will clearly never be eligible for a Canadian PR with English deficiency. Misrepresentation takes a lot more than just switching dates for IELTS.

 

[Tony20182017]

Look, he know that Even with top grade in English with his age and degree he will get only low 400's so he need the job offer. So he wants to get ahead and start to see if he can get a job.

I know is misrepresentation and he knows it too. But his logic is no VO will ever see a a profile with score so low. I think they will do it anyway and he might even lose his Visitor visa for that.

What s your opinion? Is he being too optimistic or I'm too pessimist

They have a tool through which they look at IELTS score by the report number. So even if he does manage to get a job offer down the line, still he would be later rejected. They keep a record of IELT number you out or anything in the profile before ITA.

I think your friend has a better chance of going there on tourist visa and then disappearing.