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Ray of Hope - 77th Draw

AlliBatista

Champion Member
Aug 19, 2016
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3,198
Brazil
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FSW
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2281
Job offer is extremely hard if you're living outside Canada, there's no reason for an employer to give you an offer when there's plenty of workers near them, unless it's something very specific.

The best routes for improving scores are, in my opinion:

1º - Max IELTS ( Minimum CLB9 in all four tests, 3 additional points for each CLB10).
2º - PNP ( the disadvantage here is that you're limited to one province, not my favourite).
3º - Study french and grab some points from TEF. After the june 6th changes, IRCC is giving A LOT of points for people with good french.
 

sadiqmaknojia

Star Member
Jul 14, 2009
133
2
United Kingdom
Category........
PNP
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
12013
Nomination.....
29/03/23
Med's Done....
04/05/23
hello everyone,

I am on 398 if I exclude my spouse I will go above 400

can I exclude my spouse to get the NOI from ONIP and include her after getting the nomination?

can we update the profile after getting the nomination?

thanks
 
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SGtoCAD

Hero Member
Jan 27, 2017
425
455
Hi Guys!
Just want to share my story in hopes of inspiring you guys.
I just got home from collecting my passports/CoPR!
I can't believe this moment is here.
I have been planning and dreaming of this since 2014 and when Express entry first came into action in 2015, i started working to materialise my dreams.
It took many years of planning as me and my spouse were on different continents, and I had to put many things on hold for this.
My family told me I was wasting my time as I could have done so much in those years. But I just cannot let go of "Canada" and I can't really explain why.
But now it feels so surreal that I can finally move ahead with whatever I had to keep on hold.

Im happy but I also know from now on its a different kind of struggle. And it is all gonna be worth the sacrifices made.
You reap what you sow, right?

Canada, I hope you are ready for me because I AM COMING DOWN!!:D:D:D:D
 
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Pikecann

Star Member
Feb 12, 2017
137
304
hello everyone,

I am on 398 if I exclude my spouse I will go above 400

can I exclude my spouse to get the NOI from ONIP and include her after getting the nomination?

can we update the profile after getting the nomination?

thanks
Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) Score

All applicants must score a minimum of 400 points in the Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) in IRCC’s Express Entry system. Your score must remain at or above 400 during both the Ontario nomination processing stage and at the federal application for permanent residency processing stage.

If a change in circumstance results in your CRS score falling below 400, it is your responsibility to inform the OINP. Please refer to section 5.4 for more information .

So i think you can not do that...

All the best.
 

Pikecann

Star Member
Feb 12, 2017
137
304
Hi Guys!
Just want to share my story in hopes of inspiring you guys.
I just got home from collecting my passports/CoPR!
I can't believe this moment is here.
I have been planning and dreaming of this since 2014 and when Express entry first came into action in 2015, i started working to materialise my dreams.
It took many years of planning as me and my spouse were on different continents, and I had to put many things on hold for this.
My family told me I was wasting my time as I could have done so much in those years. But I just cannot let go of "Canada" and I can't really explain why.
But now it feels so surreal that I can finally move ahead with whatever I had to keep on hold.

Im happy but I also know from now on its a different kind of struggle. And it is all gonna be worth the sacrifices.
You reap what you sow, right?

Canada, I hope you are ready for me because I AM COMING DOWN!!:D:D:D:D
Wish you all the best dear.
 

ritej gaba

Star Member
May 2, 2017
74
25
Please help
I have created my EE profile
And mentioned that i have a relative in canada. Actually that relative is my wife's aunt, not mine.
And i have not included my wife in my EE profile, because i lose 5 points if i add my wife in my profile.
What shud i do??
 

vensak

VIP Member
Jul 14, 2016
3,868
1,016
124
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Visa Office......
Vienna
NOC Code......
1225
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
hello everyone,

I am on 398 if I exclude my spouse I will go above 400

can I exclude my spouse to get the NOI from ONIP and include her after getting the nomination?

can we update the profile after getting the nomination?

thanks
The problem is the following:
Changing your spouse from non accompanying to accompanying after ITA and E-APR is not change in your family composition. Unlike adding a spouse that was not there before (marrying somebody).
And only in case of the family composition change, the immigration officer cannot recalculate your points.
But in your case he can very rightfully assume that you put your spouse as non accompanying for the sole purpose of getting more points. And in that case your CRS score can be recalculated as if at the moment of ITA and E-APR your spouse were accompanying you.
Which can lead to the situation, where Ontario would withdraw their nomination, as you would no longer meet one of their requirements.

If you want to go this road, you would have to sponsor your spouse later on. But I think, it might be easier for you to search the way how to get those 2-3 additional points (better language results or second language or such).

Good luck
 

NanaPrah

Member
Nov 6, 2017
15
20
All the best and congratulations @SGtoCAD. I can imagine how you feel right now.

It sometimes feel like a waste of time when we put some important things on hold for this dream. But when you finally receive the precious CoPR, it becomes worthwhile.

Canada is ready for you.
 
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SGtoCAD

Hero Member
Jan 27, 2017
425
455
All the best and congratulations @SGtoCAD. I can imagine how you feel right now.

It sometimes feel like a waste of time when we put some important things on hold for this dream. But when you finally receive the precious CoPR, it becomes worthwhile.

Canada is ready for you.
Thank you so much my dear friend! I hope and pray to see everyone here on the other side of this milestone!
 

vensak

VIP Member
Jul 14, 2016
3,868
1,016
124
Category........
Visa Office......
Vienna
NOC Code......
1225
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
let me bust a few myths about Ontario PNP and a bit about EE PNP in general:

1. Ontario PNP program does not cancel your application; you will always receive PFL letter.

My experience is still from the time before the online application. However there were reported cases, when application was cancelled for missing documents. (missing photos, not written Name and DOB on the back of the photo, missing passport pages, missing birth certificates). In that case applicants got no PFL and their whole application package was returned with simple note, what was missing.
I do not follow the online applicants, but I assume, that they have the very right to do this as well.
Standard PFL will be issued, when your documentation is weak (they are not satisfied with the explanation and they need to see more evidence or better worded evidence).

2. When you have PNP you cannot be rejected on ITA stage, while using same documents.

It is not always like that. Sometimes certain documents do satisfy your province but not the federal officer. (for example, it is very common to be rejected because of your POF are coming from all kind of pension funds or investments)

3. PNP application is a very long process.

No, actually it is not (or it should not be). If you put together your documentation clearly and you were thinking a little bit beyond what is the minimum requirement, you might not even get a request for additional documents and all can be done within 2-3 months (for example one of the favorite thing to check from Ontario was , if you had a valid stay and work permit, when working abroad) (or if you only sent proof for 1 year of work experience, but forgetting that you also need to prove them your CRS points and entrance points - so up to 6 years of international work experience and up to 8 years of Canadian work experience).
Unfortunately the pace of this process is sometimes pure lottery - in 2015 they started to collect applicants and then in early 2016 went to some kind of strike or such. Which resulted into tediously slow process (they were taking their time just to show how overwhelmed they are). There is no for an applicant to somehow avoid this situation. And same can happen on federal stage as well.
But in general not too complicated applications can be cleared within 3 months (provided that you have shown the needed documents). And more complicated ones (self employment), would be somewhere 5-6 months.

4. PNP applicants have to wait much longer on the federal stage.

Not really. There is only one thing, that will delay parts of the process. At certain point (most of the time after your medicals are cleared and document completeness is checked), they do wait for the monthly PNP sheets from provinces. Here you are on mercy how fast or slow do provinces provide this information to the federal (and more like my guessing, they might even require one additional documents check to ensure that you meet 400 points criteria for OINP or employment with a certain salary criteria for BC PNP).
However at the same time the very longest of all - security clearance. So for the most simple cases, this might be app. 1 - 2 months delay, but for those where longer security check is needed, there is no delay when compared to other application with the same request.
Most of the delays are happening when you are waiting in the queue for your turn at embassies, and that is something you cannot influence (if your LVO is SGVO or NDVO, then you will be waiting).

5. PNP are waste of money.

Let face it, immigration is not a kids game and also it is no free meal. But even with most expensive of them - OINP, the cost is still lower compared to other ways (to go to study to Canada).
In exchange you get very good feel on your documents (so PNP do make mistakes only in PCC, but they do not tend to have problem to identify their NOC properly).
It will give you right to make the first mistake (like PCC) and still not to be worried not to get your next ITA.
And speaking of ITA it will give you almost certainty, that you will get yours within next 2-3 weeks, so it is way less stress about your points and predictions and more about getting what was still missing ready (PCC and medicals).
So if you have top score, wait for the direct ITA, but if you are dangling a bit below or around current ITA level, PNP is a good way (of course if you can find one suitable for you).
In any case you can still jump on a direct ITA and withdraw your application later.
And yes, you can be only picky, if you are on the top, but if you are not, then any province is good enough to start in.

6. Certain documents are waste of money.
Translating birth certificates of all family members is not waste of money. You do not know when will you need them. In addition, you only need 1 translation that is good for all. Same goes for your diplomas, or marriage certificate. All of those will stay with you.
And it is not uncommon for your employer in Canada to ask for previous reference letters, school diplomas or others, so when you have the package for immigration, you can use it as well.
 

Tarakeshwar

Star Member
Aug 1, 2017
112
61
Hyderabad
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
2171
AOR Received.
03-12-2017
Med's Done....
22-12-2017
Hi Guys!
Just want to share my story in hopes of inspiring you guys.
I just got home from collecting my passports/CoPR!
I can't believe this moment is here.
I have been planning and dreaming of this since 2014 and when Express entry first came into action in 2015, i started working to materialise my dreams.
It took many years of planning as me and my spouse were on different continents, and I had to put many things on hold for this.
My family told me I was wasting my time as I could have done so much in those years. But I just cannot let go of "Canada" and I can't really explain why.
But now it feels so surreal that I can finally move ahead with whatever I had to keep on hold.

Im happy but I also know from now on its a different kind of struggle. And it is all gonna be worth the sacrifices.
You reap what you sow, right?

Canada, I hope you are ready for me because I AM COMING DOWN!!:D:D:D:D
Congrats hero.. All the best on your endeavors...
 

KJB

Star Member
Oct 2, 2017
62
28
let me bust a few myths about Ontario PNP and a bit about EE PNP in general:

1. Ontario PNP program does not cancel your application; you will always receive PFL letter.

My experience is still from the time before the online application. However there were reported cases, when application was cancelled for missing documents. (missing photos, not written Name and DOB on the back of the photo, missing passport pages, missing birth certificates). In that case applicants got no PFL and their whole application package was returned with simple note, what was missing.
I do not follow the online applicants, but I assume, that they have the very right to do this as well.
Standard PFL will be issued, when your documentation is weak (they are not satisfied with the explanation and they need to see more evidence or better worded evidence).

2. When you have PNP you cannot be rejected on ITA stage, while using same documents.

It is not always like that. Sometimes certain documents do satisfy your province but not the federal officer. (for example, it is very common to be rejected because of your POF are coming from all kind of pension funds or investments)

3. PNP application is a very long process.

No, actually it is not (or it should not be). If you put together your documentation clearly and you were thinking a little bit beyond what is the minimum requirement, you might not even get a request for additional documents and all can be done within 2-3 months (for example one of the favorite thing to check from Ontario was , if you had a valid stay and work permit, when working abroad) (or if you only sent proof for 1 year of work experience, but forgetting that you also need to prove them your CRS points and entrance points - so up to 6 years of international work experience and up to 8 years of Canadian work experience).
Unfortunately the pace of this process is sometimes pure lottery - in 2015 they started to collect applicants and then in early 2016 went to some kind of strike or such. Which resulted into tediously slow process (they were taking their time just to show how overwhelmed they are). There is no for an applicant to somehow avoid this situation. And same can happen on federal stage as well.
But in general not too complicated applications can be cleared within 3 months (provided that you have shown the needed documents). And more complicated ones (self employment), would be somewhere 5-6 months.

4. PNP applicants have to wait much longer on the federal stage.

Not really. There is only one thing, that will delay parts of the process. At certain point (most of the time after your medicals are cleared and document completeness is checked), they do wait for the monthly PNP sheets from provinces. Here you are on mercy how fast or slow do provinces provide this information to the federal (and more like my guessing, they might even require one additional documents check to ensure that you meet 400 points criteria for OINP or employment with a certain salary criteria for BC PNP).
However at the same time the very longest of all - security clearance. So for the most simple cases, this might be app. 1 - 2 months delay, but for those where longer security check is needed, there is no delay when compared to other application with the same request.
Most of the delays are happening when you are waiting in the queue for your turn at embassies, and that is something you cannot influence (if your LVO is SGVO or NDVO, then you will be waiting).

5. PNP are waste of money.

Let face it, immigration is not a kids game and also it is no free meal. But even with most expensive of them - OINP, the cost is still lower compared to other ways (to go to study to Canada).
In exchange you get very good feel on your documents (so PNP do make mistakes only in PCC, but they do not tend to have problem to identify their NOC properly).
It will give you right to make the first mistake (like PCC) and still not to be worried not to get your next ITA.
And speaking of ITA it will give you almost certainty, that you will get yours within next 2-3 weeks, so it is way less stress about your points and predictions and more about getting what was still missing ready (PCC and medicals).
So if you have top score, wait for the direct ITA, but if you are dangling a bit below or around current ITA level, PNP is a good way (of course if you can find one suitable for you).
In any case you can still jump on a direct ITA and withdraw your application later.
And yes, you can be only picky, if you are on the top, but if you are not, then any province is good enough to start in.

6. Certain documents are waste of money.
Translating birth certificates of all family members is not waste of money. You do not know when will you need them. In addition, you only need 1 translation that is good for all. Same goes for your diplomas, or marriage certificate. All of those will stay with you.
And it is not uncommon for your employer in Canada to ask for previous reference letters, school diplomas or others, so when you have the package for immigration, you can use it as well.
Thank you