Changes on Oct 11, 2017 - Executive summary/FAQ C-6

[punk]

5 weeks from CBSA, 1-2 months from FBI

Feel bad. I should've been proactive and applied for it earlier. I realize I've spent lot of time in States without even realizing it

 

[cherukuriramb]

which kind of check needed if a person stays more than 6 months in usa ,can any one please reply if they know for sure?

 

[aska-phd]

Please advise me if I need a police certificate :

In the last five years back from Oct. 11, 2017 to Oct. 11, 2012, my residency in Canada was as follows

entered July 1, 2012, left July 1, 2013 (stayed in another country from July 1,2013 till Jan. 10,2014).
entered again CANADA Jan. 10, 2014, STAYED UNTIL NOW Oct. 11, 2017 (Left a few days in different times during this period only
for conferences of a total of 1 month).
I became PR in May 6, 2015.

If we count back 4 years immediately from the date of application Oct. 11, 2017, it back to Oct. 11, 2013,
Do I need a police certificate for such long stay in the another country from July 1,2013 - Jan. 10, 2014?

 

[punk]

Also to be clear, if I crossed the border and went to US and came back the same day. It still counts as 1 day. Right ?

 

[razerblade]

Also to be clear, if I crossed the border and went to US and came back the same day. It still counts as 1 day. Right ?

A3: The calculator uses the following rules to determine the number of days absent for each absence declared:

• When calculating an absence, neither the day you leave Canada nor the day you return is considered an absence. Both are counted as days of physical presence. For example, an absence between July 1, 2013 and July 15, 2013 equals 13 days of absence. As another example, if you leave Canada on July 1, 2013 and return on July 2, 2013, this equals 0 days of absence. You must still declare this as an absence.

Q5: Do I have to declare day trips to the United States?

A5: Yes. List all absences, even if you come back the same day.

 

[blueangel371115]

A3: The calculator uses the following rules to determine the number of days absent for each absence declared:

• When calculating an absence, neither the day you leave Canada nor the day you return is considered an absence. Both are counted as days of physical presence. For example, an absence between July 1, 2013 and July 15, 2013 equals 13 days of absence. As another example, if you leave Canada on July 1, 2013 and return on July 2, 2013, this equals 0 days of absence. You must still declare this as an absence.

Q5: Do I have to declare day trips to the United States?

A5: Yes. List all absences, even if you come back the same day.

Yeah, mine's going to be a mess. I have family in the States and have been going back and forth as a visitor since 2012 ( about once a month for a couple days in the US) and had a VR for longer stays since 2013. That said, I don't have every single date I left or returned to Canada. I only have some because I have a boarding pass or VR issuance, the rest is a guess.So it's hard for me to even calculate the date to apply. Unless I just list the dates my VR was reissued. I DO NOT want to lie. I've only gone to the US but I don't think I can get the exit/entrance records from the website in the US because I'm a US citizen. But I'm probably best getting an FBI certificate again as the dates over the five years would add up to 183 days more than likely. UNLESS it only counts after my PR, then I wouldn't need it.

 

[blueangel371115]

The CBSA states 30 days from the day of acknowledgement for Entry records (no exit provided, unless it's to the US by land), while the FBI website states 10-12 weeks to get police certificate.

In my case, the CBSA estimate was correct (plus mailing times), and the FBI estimate was correct either.

Although I just pulled up the website for CBSA. It says not to apply for a record to check entry/exit for citizenship, it can delay your application. At the moment, there is a part that authorizes them to get it during the application process. Whether it stays after Oct. 11, I can't tell you. http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agence/reports-rapports/pia-efvp/atip-aiprp/thr-rav-eng.html

 

[dbss]

Although I just pulled up the website for CBSA. It says not to apply for a record to check entry/exit for citizenship, it can delay your application. At the moment, there is a part that authorizes them to get it during the application process. Whether it stays after Oct. 11, I can't tell you. http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agence/reports-rapports/pia-efvp/atip-aiprp/thr-rav-eng.html

I have been wondering about the same thing as to why people are applying since it is asked not to apply. Anyways, CBSA does not have a couple of entries for me that showed up last time when I got my report. I have stamps for those, so feeling a bit secure.

 

[uncomfortable]

Also to be clear, if I crossed the border and went to US and came back the same day. It still counts as 1 day. Right ?

It counts like 0 days of absence in Canada and, most likely, 1 day of presence in the US.

I say "most likely" because there is no indication as to how the "days of presence in a foreign country" should be calculated. But if we apply the same principle that is used to calculate physical presence in Canada, which is that if at any point of a day someone is present in a certain country for any length of time then that day counts as a day of presence in that country, then in your case that day will be counted as 1 day of presence in the US.

 

[uncomfortable]

Although I just pulled up the website for CBSA. It says not to apply for a record to check entry/exit for citizenship, it can delay your application. At the moment, there is a part that authorizes them to get it during the application process. Whether it stays after Oct. 11, I can't tell you. http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agence/reports-rapports/pia-efvp/atip-aiprp/thr-rav-eng.html

However, if you have no complete record of your trips, requesting your entry record from CBSA will give you a better idea of your travels and will make sure that your physical presence calculator will match their records once they get to the point of checking it.
If your travels are mainly between Canada and US, then it should not be too difficult to reconstruct your complete travel history between the CBSA record and the CBP record available online (https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home).

Best of luck.

 

[ChippyBoy]

How long does it takes for the following

- Getting Exit/Entry record from CBSA ?
- Getting security clearance certificate from USA ?

Any experience ?

I'm not doing the CBSA thing as it plainly asks citizenship applicants not to do so on their website; I did the USA/DHS/i94 thing instead on Oct.4th, right after Hussen's announcement, & it was immediate, downloadable, & painless.

As for the US/FBI IHSC police certificate thing, I applied for one in mid-July & am still waiting for it 12 weeks later...

 

[uncomfortable]

I'm not doing the CBSA thing as it plainly asks citizenship applicants not to do so on their website; I did the USA/DHS/i94 thing instead on Oct.4th, right after Hussen's announcement, & it was immediate, downloadable, & painless.

As for the US/FBI IHSC police certificate thing, I applied for one in mid-July & am still waiting for it 12 weeks later...

Then the best way to do it would be to request the travel history BEFORE you apply for citizenship. I believe it would be better because if you have an incomplete travel record and you use that to file your application, you will still be asked to justify all the entries you have in your history that are not accounted for in your physical presence calculation. At least this way you'll know what information you are missing and you'll have time to look for it.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[itsmyid]

I'm not doing the CBSA thing as it plainly asks citizenship applicants not to do so on their website; I did the USA/DHS/i94 thing instead on Oct.4th, right after Hussen's announcement, & it was immediate, downloadable, & painless.

As for the US/FBI IHSC police certificate thing, I applied for one in mid-July & am still waiting for it 12 weeks later...

People get the CBSA report not for including it in their application , but for using it to check against their own record to make sure it’s consistent with CBSA record, same for the DHS report , it is only used to check against their own record

 

[blueangel371115]

People get the CBSA report not for including it in their application , but for using it to check against their own record to make sure it’s consistent with CBSA record, same for the DHS report , it is only used to check against their own record

That would be the reason I would do it. I've crossed back and forth close to one hundred times, if not more and most of the exact dates I don't have. I'd do it before I would submit because the day I can hinges on how many days I have to deduct for leaving. (which losing a day for leaving a day is pretty stupid if you ask me). It should still count unless you are residing or a long term stay outside the country. The US should be easy as that's the only country I've visited and as an American citizen, I can't get an I-94.

 

[NNL]

hi everyone,

Not sure if it is clear already whether we can apply on the 11th or whether we need to wait until the 12th to apply. I am hoping to be able to reach out to IRCC and ask them directly on Tuesday. If few more others could try do the same (in case if some of us cannot get a hold of them) and post here what they were told by IRCC directly, it would be great. Thoughts?