Citizenship application- patronymic

[IvanVano]

Dear members, could you please advice what to do in the following situation:

When I applied for PR status I wrote my name and surname as they appear in my passport in Roman letters i.e. Ivan Ivanov and skipped my patronymic(Eastern European feature) from the application as in the passport it was written only in Cyrillic letters and in birth certificate in Roman letters as I was born in Germany.

Soon I'm looking to apply for citizenship. It's clear that I should write my name and surname as they appear in COPR and passport. However do I need to mention my patronymic in other names section? If so can it raise any questions from CIC as I left other names section blank in my original FSW application?

 

[Natan]

Dear members, could you please advice what to do in the following situation:

When I applied for PR status I wrote my name and surname as they appear in my passport in Roman letters i.e. Ivan Ivanov and skipped my patronymic(Eastern European feature) from the application as in the passport it was written only in Cyrillic letters and in birth certificate in Roman letters as I was born in Germany.

Soon I'm looking to apply for citizenship. It's clear that I should write my name and surname as they appear in COPR and passport. However do I need to mention my patronymic in other names section? If so can it raise any questions from CIC as I left other names section blank in my original FSW application?

If you do not want your patronymic on your Canadian documents (and if you have never used your patronymic in official documents outside of Eastern Europe), then you can omit it in your application. If you want your patronymic in your Canadian identifying documents or if you used it in an official capacity outside of Eastern Europe (like in Canada or Germany), then list it on your application.

IRCC is familiar with patronymics and will understand if you do not want to use it.

 

[IvanVano]

If you do not want your patronymic on your Canadian documents (and if you have never used your patronymic in official documents outside of Eastern Europe), then you can omit it in your application. If you want your patronymic in your Canadian identifying documents or if you used it in an official capacity outside of Eastern Europe (like in Canada or Germany), then list it on your application.

IRCC is familiar with patronymics and will understand if you do not want to use it.

My patronymic was only used in birth certificate issues in Germany and long time ago expired German temporary residence permit. Other than that I didn't use it anywhere outside my home country. Not even in my FSW application, German police certificates or COPR.
Can I still omit it or is it better to mention? If so, is it ok that I didn't use during initial PR(FSW) application?

 

[Natan]

My patronymic was only used in birth certificate issues in Germany and long time ago expired German temporary residence permit. Other than that I didn't use it anywhere outside my home country. Not even in my FSW application, German police certificates or COPR.
Can I still omit it or is it better to mention? If so, is it ok that I didn't use during initial PR(FSW) application?

If it doesn't show up in the Polizei report and you have never used it in connection with Canadian immigration/PR, you should be fine not including it. (Slavic patronymics aren't really part of one's "name" outside one's home country, unless one has used it as such.)

 

[HamiltonApplicant]

Dear members, could you please advice what to do in the following situation:

When I applied for PR status I wrote my name and surname as they appear in my passport in Roman letters i.e. Ivan Ivanov and skipped my patronymic(Eastern European feature) from the application as in the passport it was written only in Cyrillic letters and in birth certificate in Roman letters as I was born in Germany.

Soon I'm looking to apply for citizenship. It's clear that I should write my name and surname as they appear in COPR and passport. However do I need to mention my patronymic in other names section? If so can it raise any questions from CIC as I left other names section blank in my original FSW application?

Yes, I had a similar doubt. I wrote my full fledged name it in other names section.

 

[IvanVano]

Thanks. It is not mentioned in the report. The only place I have is in German birth certificate in forename section. Like Ivan Ivanovich. It was done with a purpose to have in Russian internal passport and other documents as a patronymic.

Like most other Russians I didn't mention it in any Canadian applications and now I'm scanning everything before submitting my citizenship application and became slightly concerned about it. Thought that if I have a foreign birth certificate maybe other rules are applicable in my case etc.

 

[IvanVano]

Yes, I had a similar doubt. I wrote my full fledged name it in other names section.

Did you do it when you applied for PR and citizenship or when you applied for citizenship only?

 

[HamiltonApplicant]

Thanks. It is not mentioned in the report. The only place I have is in German birth certificate in forename section. Like Ivan Ivanovich. It was done with a purpose to have in Russian internal passport and other documents as a patronymic.

Like most other Russians I didn't mention it in any Canadian applications and now I'm scanning everything before submitting my citizenship application and became slightly concerned about it. Thought that if I have a foreign birth certificate maybe other rules are applicable in my case etc.

1. My name per birth certificate was :Given-name Middle-name Father's given-name Surname (4 parts)
   
2. My passport got it a bit wrong: Given-name Middle-name Father's given-name +Surname (3 parts)
3. Then I changed my name: Given-name Surname (2 parts) Before applying for Canadian PR

I used Name 3 and mentioned Name 1 in other names section, on all occassions: PR application, Citizenship application, and Passport application...

 

[Natan]

Thanks. It is not mentioned in the report. The only place I have is in German birth certificate in forename section. Like Ivan Ivanovich. It was done with a purpose to have in Russian internal passport and other documents as a patronymic.

Like most other Russians I didn't mention it in any Canadian applications and now I'm scanning everything before submitting my citizenship application and became slightly concerned about it. Thought that if I have a foreign birth certificate maybe other rules are applicable in my case etc.

Does your German birth certificate (Geburtsurkunde) indicate that it is a patronymic (e.g., "Vatersname"), or is it listed as your "Vorname", "Familienname" or "Nachname"? (For example, Russian/Soviet birth certificates have a line for "имя, отчество" -- first name, patronymic.) Does your German Reisepaß or Personalausweis include your patronymic, if so, is it solely in Cyrillic and/or within parentheses?

 

[IvanVano]

Does your German birth certificate (Geburtsurkunde) indicate that it is a patronymic (e.g., "Vatersname"), or is it listed as your "Vorname", "Familienname" or "Nachname"? (For example, Russian/Soviet birth certificates have a line for "имя, отчество" -- first name, patronymic.) Does your German Reisepaß or Personalausweis include your patronymic, if so, is it solely in Cyrillic and/or within parentheses?

No it doesn't indicate that it is a patronymic and is listed in Vorname section. Actually there are only two sections: NAME and VORNAME. So it is mentioned together with first name. As far as I know it is done by the requirement of Russian embassy so I could write it as patronymic in Russian documents. I don't have any other German documents neither Reisepaß nor Personalausweis as I am Russian citizen only, but was born and lived few years in Germany.

 

[Natan]

No it doesn't indicate that it is a patronymic and is listed in Vorname section. Actually there are only two sections: NAME and VORNAME. So it is mentioned together with first name. As far as I know it is done by the requirement of Russian embassy so I could write it as patronymic in Russian documents. I don't have any other German documents neither Reisepaß nor Personalausweis as I am Russian citizen only, but was born and lived few years in Germany.

Then I think it is safe for you not to include your patronymic in your application.

 

[HamiltonApplicant]

No it doesn't indicate that it is a patronymic and is listed in Vorname section. Actually there are only two sections: NAME and VORNAME. So it is mentioned together with first name. As far as I know it is done by the requirement of Russian embassy so I could write it as patronymic in Russian documents. I don't have any other German documents neither Reisepaß nor Personalausweis as I am Russian citizen only, but was born and lived few years in Germany.

• If you are an adult, German birth certificate does not matter
• Internal Russian Documents don't not matter either

So you can go ahead without mentioning second part of Vorname(n) anywhere in the application.

 

[IvanVano]

thank you guys