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trivvoxx

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Oh yes, it is 'Canadian post-secondary degree or diploma for a program of three years or longer, or equal'

I didnt pay attention to that part! :)

So 21 points here, and my overall score becomes 20 + 15 + 12 + 21 = 68

So why the hell was not I accepted into Express Entry pool when I completed my account there?!
hello friend,


before being accepted in the Express Entry pool, you need to meet the minimum criteria first. You should score 67 and higher. see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp

if you pass that eligibility, a CRS score will be awarded to you.

Then you wait to get an ITA.


Then so on. :)
 

hamid123456

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Do you have the ECA report?
Not yet. I dont remember if during filling EE questionnaires it asked me about ECA report or not, but i think we need to provide it later in the process, right?

hello,


If you score 67 points or higher (out of 100), you may qualify to immigrate to Canada as a federal skilled worker.

more info in this link

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp
Yes, i calculated my scores in the above posts but when I completed my Express Entry profile, I got the message that 'We regret to inform you that you are no longer eligible to be in the pool.'
 

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Oh yes, it is 'Canadian post-secondary degree or diploma for a program of three years or longer, or equal'

I didnt pay attention to that part! :)

So 21 points here, and my overall score becomes 20 + 15 + 12 + 21 = 68

So why the hell was not I accepted into Express Entry pool when I completed my account there?!
Because just like you got this one wrong you must have filled something in your EE profile incorrectly . You need to be moe careful. It's going to get tougher when you fill the post ITA application and one small mistake could have you rejected.

Now let's look at your EE. Since you didn't know about the education scoring I'm guessing you didn't do your ECA . That's probably why ur profile got rejected . Ielts and ECA are the two mandatory requirements for EE profiles.
 

mapleleaf987

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Not yet. I dont remember if during filling EE questionnaires it asked me about ECA report or not, but i think we need to provide it later in the process, right?
No ECA is the first step to EE profile. If u don't have that, you're rejected outright. There is a section in your education which asks if you have ECA for your degree. I'm surprised you missed it.
 

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And BTW, could you give me a hint how I should try to get ECA? Is it something like WES that we need to post the original documents and official translations to them, or it's something that we could do online?!
 

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And BTW, could you give me a hint how I should try to get ECA? Is it something like WES that we need to post the original documents and official translations to them, or it's something that we could do online?!
It's thru Wes. Check you degree equivalency here.
https://applications.wes.org/ca/degree-equivalency-tool/

Register on the Wes site and follow the instructions they provide. They will ask you to submit a set of documents, which they will validate and give a result stating how ur degree equates against Canadian education system. This is the result you need to update on your EE profile to get crs scores against education.

Get started on it asap as the procedure takes anywhere between 30-60 days
 
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Thank you guys, I will surely check that tonight at home.

Another thing to ensure as well; if you're applying under the Federal Skilled Workers Programme and you don't have a job offer, you need to make sure you have enough settlement funds - that's also a common reason for profile ineligibility. For a single person, right now, you need at least CAD$12,300. When the questionnaire asked you how much money you would be bringing to Canada, did you put $12,300 or more?

Also, I think you're calculating your language points incorrectly. Pretty sure it's based on the CLB level for each individual skill, not on the average CLB, so instead of saying you have CLB 8 overall and therefore 20 points, you should be calculating it this way:

Listening Score: 8 - Equivalent CLB Level: 9 - FSW Eligibility Points: 6
Reading Score: 8.5 - Equivalent CLB Level: 10 - FSW Eligibility Points: 6
Speaking Score: 7.5 - Equivalent CLB Level: 10 - FSW Eligibility Points: 6
Writing Score: 6.5 - Equivalent CLB Level: 8 - FSW Eligibility Points: 5

Total FSW Eligibility Points: 23
 
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Another thing to ensure as well; if you're applying under the Federal Skilled Workers Programme and you don't have a job offer, you need to make sure you have enough settlement funds - that's also a common reason for profile ineligibility. For a single person, right now, you need at least CAD$12,300. When the questionnaire asked you how much money you would be bringing to Canada, did you put $12,300 or more?

Also, I think you're calculating your language points incorrectly. Pretty sure it's based on the CLB level for each individual skill, not on the average CLB, so instead of saying you have CLB 8 overall and therefore 20 points, you should be calculating it this way:

Listening Score: 8 - Equivalent CLB Level: 9 - FSW Eligibility Points: 6
Reading Score: 8.5 - Equivalent CLB Level: 10 - FSW Eligibility Points: 6
Speaking Score: 7.5 - Equivalent CLB Level: 10 - FSW Eligibility Points: 6
Writing Score: 6.5 - Equivalent CLB Level: 8 - FSW Eligibility Points: 5

Total FSW Eligibility Points: 23
About settlement funds, I said that I will bring over CAD$30,000 to Canada, so that's OK.

About Language score, I think it doesnt make much difference, does it? Because in the end when you fill your EE account, it calculates the overall score. That's why when I wrote my IELTS Writing test was 6.5 i got the overall score 385. But when I change my IELTS Writing test to 7.0 just to see how much difference it makes, my overall EE points suddenly changes to 430!!!
But thanks for mentioning that.

Right now, I think the first thing that I need to do is to give some research about ECA report and find out exactly how I should post my educational certificates to them. so that I can start my Express Entry process ASAP.
 

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About settlement funds, I said that I will bring over CAD$30,000 to Canada, so that's OK.

About Language score, I think it doesnt make much difference, does it? Because in the end when you fill your EE account, it calculates the overall score. That's why when I wrote my IELTS Writing test was 6.5 i got the overall score 385. But when I change my IELTS Writing test to 7.0 just to see how much difference it makes, my overall EE points suddenly changes to 430!!!
But thanks for mentioning that.

Right now, I think the first thing that I need to do is to give some research about ECA report and find out exactly how I should post my educational certificates to them. so that I can start my Express Entry process ASAP.
The EE profile will calculate your overall score for you, but it's always a good idea for you to know, on your own, what your score should be for both FSW eligibility and CRS. A lot of persons run into situations where they create their EE profiles and their score doesn't come out to what they calculated - this discrepancy has helped them identify errors in their profiles in the past, and if they hadn't manually calculated their score and had relied solely on the system, they never would have picked up the errors. You always want to do your own calculation so you can have that information to corroborate against what the system tells you :) (After all, that's how YOU picked up that something was wrong, right? :) What the system was telling you (ineligible) didn't match what you had calculated)

But yes, I concur with your last statement - the way forward now, and the most important thing, is to get your ECA done. My recommendation is WES (they take 20 - 30 working days), but do your research to see if another service will work better for you.
 
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I wrote my IELTS Writing test was 6.5 i got the overall score 385. But when I change my IELTS Writing test to 7.0 just to see how much difference it makes, my overall EE points suddenly changes to 430!!!
actually it happened to me too... i took my IELTS exam and got 6.5 in Writing... this is CLB 8... you need to get CLB 9 and higher to score better for CRS, especially in the Transferability part.

Also, i got my ECA through WES. I organized my docs properly and sent it to WES. After 20 days only, WES sent me an envelope with my Canadian Equivalency for my Education, which is needed for your EE..

so it is better that you have your IELTS and ECA in hand before you proceed on filling up your EE profile
 

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The EE profile will calculate your overall score for you, but it's always a good idea for you to know, on your own, what your score should be for both FSW eligibility and CRS. A lot of persons run into situations where they create their EE profiles and their score doesn't come out to what they calculated - this discrepancy has helped them identify errors in their profiles in the past, and if they hadn't manually calculated their score and had relied solely on the system, they never would have picked up the errors. You always want to do your own calculation so you can have that information to corroborate against what the system tells you :) (After all, that's how YOU picked up that something was wrong, right? :) What the system was telling you (ineligible) didn't match what you had calculated)

But yes, I concur with your last statement - the way forward now, and the most important thing, is to get your ECA done. My recommendation is WES (they take 20 - 30 working days), but do your research to see if another service will work better for you.
It just caught my eyes that you're from Jamaica! Well, I've been a big fan of Sean Paul for 12 years, LOL! Love Jamaican music!
 
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hamid123456

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actually it happened to me too... i took my IELTS exam and got 6.5 in Writing... this is CLB 8... you need to get CLB 9 and higher to score better for CRS, especially in the Transferability part.

Also, i got my ECA through WES. I organized my docs properly and sent it to WES. After 20 days only, WES sent me an envelope with my Canadian Equivalency for my Education, which is needed for your EE..

so it is better that you have your IELTS and ECA in hand before you proceed on filling up your EE profile
I have taken IELTS General test twice (the last was on 9 September), and both my writing band was 6.5. But I really believe that I deserved to get at least 7.5!

I dont know what the problem is, but I guess for some suspicious reasons IDP Australia is not willing to give the Iranian people a writing score more than 6.5!
And unfortunately IDP is the only organization that holds IELTS tests in IRAN, so I have no idea how I can handle this!

If I take IELTS test three months from now again and get a better result, Can I update my EE profile later?
 
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I have taken IELTS General test twice (the last was on 9 September), and both my writing band was 6.5. But I really believe that I deserved to get at least 7.5!

I dont know what the problem is, but I guess for some suspicious reasons IDP Australia is not willing to give the Iranian people a writing score more than 6.5!
And unfortunately IDP is the only organization that holds IELTS tests in IRAN, so I have no idea how I can handle this!

If I take IELTS test three months from now again and get a better result, Can I update my EE profile later?
Writing is the toughest part in English test. I don't know how they score it because the way we think and write is different than the way native think and write. My guess is that they scoring base on how closely you are to the native, not how well you are with your grammar. That's why only an extreme small fraction of non-native ever score 7 or above.
 

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Writing is the toughest part in English test. I don't know how they score it because the way we think and write is different than the way native think and write. My guess is that they scoring base on how closely you are to the native, not how well you are with your grammar. That's why only an extreme small fraction of non-native ever score 7 or above.
Actually, speaking on behalf of the Native Speakers :) (and by the way, kudos to all the non-native speakers, because my language is a hot mess and I don't know how someone not "born into it" can learn it well enough to score highly on any English language test!), it's actually not the easiest thing in the world to get full marks on the writing portion of the English language test sometimes, for us, either :)

I did CELPIP, not IELTS, so I can't speak as an expert, but if IELTS is anything like CELPIP, one of the key things you need to ensure is that you're using complex/combo sentences and big words in your writing. This is where I messed up (even though I technically knew better, but I couldn't bring myself to do what they wanted). You see, in business writing, the PROPER standard is to use the simplest words and simplest sentence structures possible to ensure you're getting your point across quickly and simply, and so that all parties reading it understand perfectly. However, for CELPIP, because they want you to show that you're capable of writing complex sentences and have a big vocabulary, you'll be scored down if you try to write according to the proper principles of business writing. They don't explicitly state that this is what they want on the test either, so you just have to know before you go into the test. So practice learning and using big words (and synonyms - words that mean the same thing) to show the breadth of your vocabulary and practice crafting long, hybrid sentences (using semi-colons, and oxford commas, and parenthesis (brackets) and the like).

Unfortunately, the CELPIP is like a lot of other exams in this world. It tests you more on your ability to take the test, rather than on the actual subject matter the test is covering. That's why it's important to get study materials that give you insight into what the testers/scorers are expecting and looking for, and to take practice tests.

I should also add that I'm told that the speaking part of the tests are also hard for non-native speakers (maybe even moreso than the writing section, for some). Again, I'm not an expert on the IELTS, but my friends who have taken it say that the CELPIP speaking test is harder because you're talking to a computer and can't play off another human being, whereas with IELTS (or at least some versions of it) you are speaking to an actual person, who you can play off of, and who will ask you questions to help the conversation along. The key thing is to ensure you're not getting TOO hung up on what the question is asking you (still try to answer based on the content, to show that you understood the task/question but don't get flustered if you don't know enough about the subject matter to provide a proper answer (so, for example, say the question is about fine art, and you know NOTHING about fine art. Don't get flustered trying to recall information about fine art - just say, "Well, I don't know very much about fine art, to be honest, but..." and talk about your limited understanding of it, and maybe why you don't know more about it, or why you're not interested in it, or something like that). The point is just to talk and show you're capable of speaking in English, not to show your mastery of the subject matter being discussed.