Citizenship application - few questions

[humsafar]

Hi friends, I am planning to submit my citizenship application, I have few question and need your valued opinions

1 - I am planning to send my application on 18th Sept. by that time I would have completed 1467 Days. Now my question is should I put 18th Sept as signing date on my application or I can put 20th Sept because the CIC Sydney will receive the docs either on 20th or 21st Sept. Is it allowed ?

2 - Regarding proof of identification, my Son is 7 and he doesn't have photo on his health card. so is it Okay if i provide 2 copies of his PR card and Passport. 1 Copy as asked in the Document Check list (I think its point 3 and 4 on Docs check list) and 2nd Copy as proof of identification.

3 - Is it okay if I write the photo studio name and Photo taken date by Hand on the back of photos, or does it have to be stamped by the photo studio ?

4 - My family wife and children will complete their 1460 days by Dec 15th, Do you think it is a good idea to wait for their time to up and then apply for citizenship as a family in one go. or shall I apply for mine now and then apply for them once they complete their 1460 days. I am thinking of applying for my application now and once they complete their time the they can apply for their their citizenship

Hope to have some good opinions

Thanks

 

[humsafar]

guyz any inputs?

 

[spyfy]

Hi friends, I am planning to submit my citizenship application, I have few question and need your valued opinions

1 - I am planning to send my application on 18th Sept. by that time I would have completed 1467 Days. Now my question is should I put 18th Sept as signing date on my application or I can put 20th Sept because the CIC Sydney will receive the docs either on 20th or 21st Sept. Is it allowed ?

2 - Regarding proof of identification, my Son is 7 and he doesn't have photo on his health card. so is it Okay if i provide 2 copies of his PR card and Passport. 1 Copy as asked in the Document Check list (I think its point 3 and 4 on Docs check list) and 2nd Copy as proof of identification.

3 - Is it okay if I write the photo studio name and Photo taken date by Hand on the back of photos, or does it have to be stamped by the photo studio ?

4 - My family wife and children will complete their 1460 days by Dec 15th, Do you think it is a good idea to wait for their time to up and then apply for citizenship as a family in one go. or shall I apply for mine now and then apply for them once they complete their 1460 days. I am thinking of applying for my application now and once they complete their time the they can apply for their their citizenship

Hope to have some good opinions

Thanks

1 - Postdating your application is misrepresentation. Don't be stupid.

2 - there is no rule that says the photo identification must be a health card. It must, however, show a photo of your son. You find more information here if you scroll down to the gather documents part:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/CIT0003ETOC.asp#CIT0003E4

3 - Technically I think you can write the details on the photo yourself. But why gamble and not pay an extra 10 bucks or so to get photos from a studio with a stamp?

4 - your children do not have to fulfill the residency obligation if they apply together with yourself. Only you have to fulfill the residency obligation. Your wife would have to wait until December. If you want to send the applications together or not is a decision that you have to make yourself, e.g. if you wait you will have more buffer for residency days. On the other hand you will be a citizen three-ish months later etc.

 

[Stef.]

I would wait a month and make sure you have a good buffer, particularly if you travelled in the past.

 

[.Steve]

Hi friends, I am planning to submit my citizenship application, I have few question and need your valued opinions

1 - I am planning to send my application on 18th Sept. by that time I would have completed 1467 Days. Now my question is should I put 18th Sept as signing date on my application or I can put 20th Sept because the CIC Sydney will receive the docs either on 20th or 21st Sept. Is it allowed ?

2 - Regarding proof of identification, my Son is 7 and he doesn't have photo on his health card. so is it Okay if i provide 2 copies of his PR card and Passport. 1 Copy as asked in the Document Check list (I think its point 3 and 4 on Docs check list) and 2nd Copy as proof of identification.

3 - Is it okay if I write the photo studio name and Photo taken date by Hand on the back of photos, or does it have to be stamped by the photo studio ?

4 - My family wife and children will complete their 1460 days by Dec 15th, Do you think it is a good idea to wait for their time to up and then apply for citizenship as a family in one go. or shall I apply for mine now and then apply for them once they complete their 1460 days. I am thinking of applying for my application now and once they complete their time the they can apply for their their citizenship

Hope to have some good opinions

Thanks

1 - I am planning to send my application on 18th Sept. by that time I would have completed 1467 Days. Now my question is should I put 18th Sept as signing date on my application or I can put 20th Sept because the CIC Sydney will receive the docs either on 20th or 21st Sept. Is it allowed ?

It has to be a date on or before you can post it.

2 - Regarding proof of identification, my Son is 7 and he doesn't have photo on his health card. so is it Okay if i provide 2 copies of his PR card and Passport. 1 Copy as asked in the Document Check list (I think its point 3 and 4 on Docs check list) and 2nd Copy as proof of identification.

PR card and passport should be good enough for minors. I did the same

3 - Is it okay if I write the photo studio name and Photo taken date by Hand on the back of photos, or does it have to be stamped by the photo studio ?

Hand written is just fine. I did the same and my application was accepted. The studio I went to did not have a stamp that fitted back of the photo.

4 - My family wife and children will complete their 1460 days by Dec 15th, Do you think it is a good idea to wait for their time to up and then apply for citizenship as a family in one go. or shall I apply for mine now and then apply for them once they complete their 1460 days. I am thinking of applying for my application now and once they complete their time the they can apply for their their citizenship

I agree with spyfy, rather wait and file together.
Kids do not have to fulfill the residency obligation but your wife has to !
I would strongly recommend put in some kind of buffer. If you are not having lot of days as buffer, they will scrutinize your application all the more to makes sure you are meeting the residency obligation.

 

[humsafar]

I have just traveled twice in last 4 years to my home country for a month each time. The reason I am inclined to apply for my application with a buffer of 7-10 days is because i want my application to be atleast in Processing Que before the 3/5 rules implementation. I want to beat the Post 3/5 rush as much as possible.

Though on other hand you guys have valid point to have a good buffer of days. Do you guyz think 10 days is not a good buffer with just 2 out of country trips ?

 

[mickey_mouse]

I have just traveled twice in last 4 years to my home country for a month each time. The reason I am inclined to apply for my application with a buffer of 7-10 days is because i want my application to be atleast in Processing Que before the 3/5 rules implementation. I want to beat the Post 3/5 rush as much as possible.

Though on other hand you guys have valid point to have a good buffer of days. Do you guyz think 10 days is not a good buffer with just 2 out of country trips ?

I agree with you, you have short time left, if I was you I would definitely apply with 10 days buffer rather than going for 3/5 rule and waiting for years

 

[Stef.]

I have just traveled twice in last 4 years to my home country for a month each time. The reason I am inclined to apply for my application with a buffer of 7-10 days is because i want my application to be atleast in Processing Que before the 3/5 rules implementation. I want to beat the Post 3/5 rush as much as possible.

Though on other hand you guys have valid point to have a good buffer of days. Do you guyz think 10 days is not a good buffer with just 2 out of country trips ?

If you are totally sure that you fulfill the presence requirements than go for it.

 

[dpenabill]

The reason I am inclined to apply for my application with a buffer of 7-10 days is because i want my application to be atleast in Processing Que before the 3/5 rules implementation. I want to beat the Post 3/5 rush as much as possible.

The amount of buffer an applicant is wise to have before applying is a very personal, individual decision.

The prospective applicant's certainty about travel dates is a big factor. There are, however, other things to take into consideration, too many to attempt enumerating them now, here. That said, being able to apply together with a spouse, as a family, is a significant factor.

While generalizations about how much buffer to have (generally more is better, but recognizing there is a factor of diminishing returns) offer little guidance in the particular case, one can say that applicants who have circumstances increasing the risk of RQ should, generally, consider waiting to apply with a bigger margin. That is still rather vague.

The idea that applying three months sooner is likely to lead to becoming a citizen three months sooner is deeply flawed. There are many, many things which can affect how long a particular individual's application takes. There are many occasions when applying sooner leads to becoming a citizen later.


Applying as a family:

This factor warrants special attention. Applying as a family can be a very positive factor. It is usually a very positive factor. IRCC tends to like family applications.

In some circumstances, however, it can be a negative factor, such as where one of the family members has circumstances which will trigger elevated scrutiny and potentially non-routine processing. That would bog the whole family down.

This can happen when the travel history for one is dramatically different than for the other, and especially if there are indications one has employment or business or other strong ties abroad.

At the risk of over-generalizing, the more differences there are in the respective partner's circumstances, the more that weighs against how positive a factor it is to apply together. But, mostly, applying together is a positive factor.

More margin for one and applying together tips the scales a lot toward waiting. Just be sure that there is a comfortable margin for the spouse as well.


Beating the 3/5 rule rush:

Hard to guess how important that is.

Does this outweigh the likely advantage of applying together? Very difficult to guess.

There is little reason to fear the new rules will have an impact like the Harper-era near shut down in citizenship application processing, back in 2012 (due to OB-407).

My sense is that if it was about a solitary individual, getting the application made sooner rather than later would probably be prudent. Best to wait to build up the margin more, watching for the actual implementation date for the 3/5 rule, waiting to have as much margin as possible but still getting the application submitted before the likely rush. There is bound to be at least a week's notice, and probably more, before the changes take effect. Waiting as long as possible to build up the margin should work.

But waiting to apply together, that's a big deal. On many levels. And IRCC probably recognizes this. This is a factor bearing a lot of weight.

Overall, however, each individual needs to assess his or her situation and make a personal judgment call about when it is the best time to apply.

 

[ronmcguire3425]

The amount of buffer an applicant is wise to have before applying is a very personal, individual decision.

The prospective applicant's certainty about travel dates is a big factor. There are, however, other things to take into consideration, too many to attempt enumerating them now, here. That said, being able to apply together with a spouse, as a family, is a significant factor.

While generalizations about how much buffer to have (generally more is better, but recognizing there is a factor of diminishing returns) offer little guidance in the particular case, one can say that applicants who have circumstances increasing the risk of RQ should, generally, consider waiting to apply with a bigger margin. That is still rather vague.

The idea that applying three months sooner is likely to lead to becoming a citizen three months sooner is deeply flawed. There are many, many things which can affect how long a particular individual's application takes. There are many occasions when applying sooner leads to becoming a citizen later.


Applying as a family:

This factor warrants special attention. Applying as a family can be a very positive factor. It is usually a very positive factor. IRCC tends to like family applications.

In some circumstances, however, it can be a negative factor, such as where one of the family members has circumstances which will trigger elevated scrutiny and potentially non-routine processing. That would bog the whole family down.

This can happen when the travel history for one is dramatically different than for the other, and especially if there are indications one has employment or business or other strong ties abroad.

At the risk of over-generalizing, the more differences there are in the respective partner's circumstances, the more that weighs against how positive a factor it is to apply together. But, mostly, applying together is a positive factor.

More margin for one and applying together tips the scales a lot toward waiting. Just be sure that there is a comfortable margin for the spouse as well.


Beating the 3/5 rule rush:

Hard to guess how important that is.

Does this outweigh the likely advantage of applying together? Very difficult to guess.

There is little reason to fear the new rules will have an impact like the Harper-era near shut down in citizenship application processing, back in 2012 (due to OB-407).

My sense is that if it was about a solitary individual, getting the application made sooner rather than later would probably be prudent. Best to wait to build up the margin more, watching for the actual implementation date for the 3/5 rule, waiting to have as much margin as possible but still getting the application submitted before the likely rush. There is bound to be at least a week's notice, and probably more, before the changes take effect. Waiting as long as possible to build up the margin should work.

But waiting to apply together, that's a big deal. On many levels. And IRCC probably recognizes this. This is a factor bearing a lot of weight.

Overall, however, each individual needs to assess his or her situation and make a personal judgment call about when it is the best time to apply.

Very well explained. I really like the way you give answers in great detail. You really seem very knowledgeable. Thanks a lot for helping us. Keep up the good work.

 

[subha_1962]

When filling out citizenship application forms, does one leave the non relevant parts blank or, put N/A, please advice and thanks in advance. Also what do they mean by "include name as in immigration document"? Do they mean passport or PR card? I am asking because my name in the passport was totally cut short in the PR card. As and Asian, we have our generational name in front, our actual name and then surname which is how it is in the passport. But due to lesser characters available to be included in the PR card they had taken my generational name as first name and then surname. So in Canada, I lost my actual name and I do want to regain it. I am sure they have it in their records because when we applied for PR, we included names exactly as in birth certificate and passport. Please advice Dpenbill or someone and thank you in advance

 

[humsafar]

When filling out citizenship application forms, does one leave the non relevant parts blank or, put N/A, please advice and thanks in advance. Also what do they mean by "include name as in immigration document"? Do they mean passport or PR card? I am asking because my name in the passport was totally cut short in the PR card. As and Asian, we have our generational name in front, our actual name and then surname which is how it is in the passport. But due to lesser characters available to be included in the PR card they had taken my generational name as first name and then surname. So in Canada, I lost my actual name and I do want to regain it. I am sure they have it in their records because when we applied for PR, we included names exactly as in birth certificate and passport. Please advice Dpenbill or someone and thank you in advance

You have to write it exactly as it appears on your COPR / PR card, However on the Citizenship Certificate you complete name will appear. it is mentioned in the "instruction guide" for citizenship application

 

[subha_1962]

Thank you for your information

 

[humsafar]

thanks guyz for replies. one more question;

Did you guyz send the exact docs asked in the Check list or added some additional docs e.g Passport pages with out of country travel stamps and employment letter from your current employer. Is it a good idea to attach these additional docs, or you strictly have to send only those docs which are requested in the Docs Check list ?

 

[subha_1962]

Sorry to trouble, another quick question to Humafazar please, my COPR has my full name but my PR card only has the shortened form. So it will be ok if I put the full name as in the COPR right? thanks in advance.