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every season is 3 months, simple, not 6.
 

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This is simply wrong. canada.ca is THE official website of the canadian government. cic.gc.ca is one particular website of the federal government. Press releases however are published on canada.ca. Just because there is a particular portal under the domain cic.gc.ca for application forms and similar information that doesn't mean it is the only official website.

Here's an explanation of what canada.ca is and how everything is getting merged into the canada.ca website over time:
http://www1.canada.ca/en/newsite.html

cic.gc.ca is just a shorthand domain for immigration purposes. Just look at the navigational menu of cic.gc.ca and canada.ca. It is exactly the same. So again: They are the same website. cic.gc.ca is just a shorthand for a particular section of the canada.ca website.



IRCC (it's not called CIC anymore) is an agency of the federal government. Of course things published on canada.ca are NOT hearsay, it is the official web portal of the federal government and it's agencies, including IRCC. IRCC does (and has to do) whatever the minister tells them to do.
So this is not out of the federal government's hand now. As said, IRCC is part of the federal government, just like CRA, CBSA and all the other agencies.

How about Physical presence prior PR, Is visitor Visa days countable for Citizenship under new bill (C-6)?
 

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How about Physical presence prior PR, Is visitor Visa days countable for Citizenship under new bill (C-6)?
Yes Visitor days prior to PR will count towards citizenship.
 

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Yes Visitor days prior to PR will count towards citizenship.

Thank you so much,
Could you please provide any reasonable sources or any info regarding your answer,www.canadavisa.com says that Temporary Resident such Student or Worker.
 

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Thank you so much,
Could you please provide any reasonable sources or any info regarding your answer,www.canadavisa.com says that Temporary Resident such Student or Worker.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/temp/index.asp

What is a temporary resident?
A temporary resident is a foreign national who is legally authorized to enter Canada for temporary purposes.

A foreign national has temporary resident status when they have been found to meet the requirements of the legislation to enter and/or remain in Canada as a visitor, student, worker, or temporary resident permit holder. Only foreign nationals physically in Canada hold temporary resident status.

IRCC processes these applications under several categories:


Basically, all foreign nationals holding study visas, work visas and visitor visas are all Temporary Residents.
 
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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/temp/index.asp

What is a temporary resident?
A temporary resident is a foreign national who is legally authorized to enter Canada for temporary purposes.

A foreign national has temporary resident status when they have been found to meet the requirements of the legislation to enter and/or remain in Canada as a visitor, student, worker, or temporary resident permit holder. Only foreign nationals physically in Canada hold temporary resident status.

IRCC processes these applications under several categories:


Basically, all foreign nationals holding study visas, work visas and visitor visas are all Temporary Residents.


Thanks a lot!
 

Danielari2016

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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/temp/index.asp

What is a temporary resident?
A temporary resident is a foreign national who is legally authorized to enter Canada for temporary purposes.

A foreign national has temporary resident status when they have been found to meet the requirements of the legislation to enter and/or remain in Canada as a visitor, student, worker, or temporary resident permit holder. Only foreign nationals physically in Canada hold temporary resident status.

IRCC processes these applications under several categories:


Basically, all foreign nationals holding study visas, work visas and visitor visas are all Temporary Residents.

But, what is that means? if

Applicants must file Canadian income taxes, if required to do so under the Income Tax Act, for three out of five years, matching the new physical presence requirement.
 

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But, what is that means? if

Applicants must file Canadian income taxes, if required to do so under the Income Tax Act, for three out of five years, matching the new physical presence requirement.
It means just that. To qualify for citizenship, the applicant must have filed Canadian income tax at least 3 years out of the 5 minimum. Right now it is still 4 tax years out of 6 years. Once the new 3/5 rule kick in, 3 years of income filing is required minimum.
 

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It means just that. To qualify for citizenship, the applicant must have filed Canadian income tax at least 3 years out of the 5 minimum. Right now it is still 4 tax years out of 6 years. Once the new 3/5 rule kick in, 3 years of income filing is required minimum.

so which means how they will count visitor days for Citizenship if i didn't pay taxes?
 

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It means just that. To qualify for citizenship, the applicant must have filed Canadian income tax at least 3 years out of the 5 minimum. Right now it is still 4 tax years out of 6 years. Once the new 3/5 rule kick in, 3 years of income filing is required minimum.

so which means how they will count visitor days for Citizenship if i didn't pay taxes?
Which probably means you meet the residency requirement but not tax requirement, and still have to wait till that is met in this case
 

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Which probably means you meet the residency requirement but not tax requirement, and still have to wait till that is met in this case
No, depending on your circumstances, you don't have to file taxes as a visitor. In fact it is more likely that you don't have to. The rules do NOT require you to have filed at least three tax returns. The rules only require you to fulfill your tax filing obligations. That's why on the form there is a box where you can tick that you were not required to file.
 

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I dont think the time one spent as a visitor, can count for the application after the new rules will be kicked in. One has to earn them with either worker or student status. Check this http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/does-time-as-a-visitor-count-towards-citizenship-time.266553/
There is so much speculation on here what counts before becoming a PR and what does not so until the CIC site is updated with a new qualfying days tool and the application guidelines are updated anything else is speculation, nobody on this forum unless they actually work for immigration knows.

The link provided above is a discussion about past rule changes so with respect not really relevant to what may or may not be included in the detail for C6 implementation.
 
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dpenabill

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There is so much speculation on here what counts before becoming a PR and what does not so until the CIC site is updated with a new qualfying days tool and the application guidelines are updated anything else is speculation, nobody on this forum unless they actually work for immigration knows.
There is no question about whether days spent in Canada with visitor status will entitled to the half-day credit under the new rules, when the new rules take effect. They will be entitled to credit so long as they are within five years of the day the application is made . . . subject to proving status and actual presence.

The real question is if and when a prospective applicant should rely on credit for those days.

The real issue is to what extent, and when, will IRCC issue RQ to applicants relying on time in Canada as a visitor.

To be clear, the law revising Section 5.(1) of the Citizenship Act has been adopted and there is no question about what it states (see http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-6/royal-assent for text of adopted bill and see Section 7 of Bill C-6 which adds Section 1.001 to the Citizenship Act in particular), no question about what pre-PR time is entitled to credit. So we do know, for example, that persons in Canada with temporary resident status (in addition to those with protected person status) will be entitled to half-day credit for that time. And we know that temporary resident status includes visitor status. That is the law which will apply when the respective provisions in Bill C-6 come into force.

What days can be counted is fairly straight-forward actually: basically, as long as a person has legal status in Canada, and the days spent in Canada are within five years of the date the application is made, they CAN count, they are entitled to credit. There are some narrow exceptions, mostly obvious ones, like time in Canada with diplomatic status. (Well, there are also other exceptions, such as time on probation does not count, and all the other specific qualifying conditions.)

Many questions posed about credit for time visiting Canada tend to conflate status and purpose. Persons in Canada with visitor status are temporary residents, just like those with a work or study permit. (See IRPA and the respective IRPA Regulations.) When the pre-PR credit changes take effect, time in Canada as a temporary resident with visitor status will count. While a FN's purpose is relevant to whether he or she will be actually allowed entry into Canada, which is governed by IRPA and respective regulations, there is nothing in the changes to the Citizenship Act per Bill C-6 which restricts credit based on purpose. What matters is that the FN has legal status, either as a protected person or one of the classes of temporary resident (and these classes, per IRPA, are worker, student, and visitor).


Again, the real question is the practical question: who should or should not rely on such time, and when.

While the law will allow credit for time in Canada pursuant to visitor status, there are, nonetheless, practical factors and logistical hurdles to take into consideration when a particular individual goes to apply for citizenship and is relying on credit for time in Canada prior to becoming a PR. Note, for example, millions of visa-exempt travelers to Canada take their status for granted (both those with eTA and other visa-exempt travelers, like Americans). They were screened at a PoE upon entry into Canada, and allowed into Canada, no stamp in their passport, no formal or physical visa issued, but they nonetheless have legal, visitor status in Canada so long as they comply with the terms and conditions of their allowed entry.

In contrast, IRCC is NOT likely to take a visitor's status for granted. The burden of proving both presence and status is on the applicant. Without any stamp, no physical visa, how does a visitor prove status? Can legal status be inferred from the fact of entry itself, which should be verified in a CBSA travel history? The more pertinent question is whether IRCC will routinely infer status. Sometimes, perhaps, but it is easy to forecast that many times NOT. Who will be required to affirmatively prove status and/or presence, when, under what circumstances, these are the questions we do not know the answer to.

And, if IRCC requires the applicant to submit proof of status, what facts and circumstances will effectively prove status in the absence of a formal visa or Visitor's Record?

And then how much proof of actual presence will IRCC require for the applicant to meet his or her burden of proving actual presence during the period of time claimed to have been spent in Canada as a visitor?

These considerations loom much larger than many might appreciate. For the vast majority of prospective applicants, citizenship application processing is routine, suffering no or at worst minimal delays (a FP request perhaps, or a brief stall in updating a clearance). That's what most want, the short and easy path. In particular, most applicants (most meaning, in this context, nearly all) will especially want to avoid RQ, which is acutely inconvenient, profoundly intrusive into one's privacy, and tends to cause a lengthy if not extremely lengthy delay. Even versions of RQ-lite tend to add at least a few months to the processing time, with a much elevated risk of significantly longer delays.

If IRCC has questions, if in particular IRCC does not accept the application and presence calculation on its face, that means non-routine processing. That means at minimum some delay, some inconvenience. It might mean full blown RQ.

This aspect, for whom and when non-routine processing will be likely for applicants relying on time in Canada as a visitor, this is indeed nearly impossible to forecast beyond the more or less obvious.

The more or less obvious: Those in Canada pursuant to a formal visa, such as a TRV, can be fairly confident that FOSS and GCMS show their status. Those who have been issued a formal Visitor's Record can be fairly confident that FOSS and GCMS will likewise verify they entered Canada with status. And those who obtained these in circumstances reflecting their purpose, and their circumstances are consistent with a purpose to stay in Canada for the duration of time being reported, can probably be comfortable about relying on the time spent in Canada with visitor status.

The most obvious example of this is a FN accompanying a Canadian partner and who has dual intent, coming to Canada, entering and staying in Canada, with visitor status but also with the intent to apply for partner-sponsored PR status. Particularly if the entry is documented (TRV or VR for example), or subsequently documented (such as a VR issued pursuant to an application to extend visitor status). So they were in Canada, say, eight months prior to becoming a PR (can be much longer for some), living in Canada with their partner-sponsor, odds should favour relying on credit for this time.

In contrast, in the opposite direction, no advanced degrees in rocket science necessary to foresee an elevated risk of non-routine processing for applicants relying on days spent in Canada as a casual visitor. Indeed, it would clearly be foolish (more like outright stupid) to make an application relying on a few weeks credit for time casually visiting Canada before coming to live in Canada. The risk of non-routine processing just in the way of a specific request for proof of status, let alone the increased risk of full blown RQ to prove actual presence during the time visiting Canada, is very likely to delay the outcome, delay getting to the oath, by much longer than it would have taken to wait long enough so the pre-PR visiting time does not matter.
 
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