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Got my PPR in 3 months, 2 weeks: Lessons learned from the entire Express Entry Process

dukeofU

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Apr 12, 2017
3
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Hi all,

I just want to share with you the lessons I have learned from the whole process of applying for permanent residence through the Express Entry (FSW) stream.

First, here is my info/timeline:


ITA: January 11, 2017
AOR: April 5, 2017
Meds passed: June 22, 2017
PPR: July 17, 2017

Personal attributes:
CRS Score: 460
IELTS: 8.0/8.5/8.5/8.5
Education: Bachelors degree, PhD degree (from the USA)
Work experience: 5.5 years as graduate research/teaching assistant, 5 years as postdoctoral fellow, all in the USA (NOC code 2121)
Current employment: Research Fellow at the University of Toronto, St. George
Family in Canada: Sister (naturalized citizen); parents (permanent residents at time of AOR, became naturalized citizens two weeks ago)

I submitted my complete application packet on April 5, 2017, three months after ITA, as I had to move from the US to Canada to start my fellowship at the University of Toronto. The fellowship is LMIA exempt, and I have now a work permit valid until February 2018. However, in the LOE from my current supervisor, he stated (generously and kindly) that the position is renewable yearly.

Now the issues that worried me during the 3 months, 2 weeks of waiting:

1. When I submitted my application, I failed to include a translation of my bachelor's degree diploma (originally in Latin). I only uploaded the Latin diploma and my college transcripts. I did not wish to claim education points for it, since I have a PhD and uploaded the corresponding diploma (English) and transcripts. However, 2 weeks after submitting my application, I worried, especially reading through the threads here, that my application might get rejected for being incomplete due to the absence of English translation for my bachelor's degree diploma. I also forgot to send copies of my old passport bio and stamped pages. I raised a CSE and sent the unsolicited translation and passport pages and a nice letter of explanation. After 5 weeks, I heard back from CIC telling me that they have included them in my file. I was a bit relieved.

Lesson: They do consider unsolicited submissions as long as you provide an honest letter explaining yourself nicely, appealing to their better natures. Be kind and humble in your CSE!


2. I left the USA in February 2017, but the FBI certificate I submitted was issued to me in December 2016. Meaning, my police certificate was issued while I was still living in the US, but less than 6 months old at the time of AOR. It seems like they really follow the 6 months rule, so the police check need not always be issued after one has left a country. If you think about it, it is not that easy to get PCC's from most countries where one has resided, so some VO's might be inclined to be more forgiving and rational about it. Perhaps the fact that I had been background checked before to get issued a Canada work permit made them decide to give it a pass. However, in the CSE I raised, I also included a copy of the request form for the FBI and my fingerprint card to prove that I was working on getting a 'better' PCC, and indicated in my LOE that I would submit it as soon as I received it. I got my new FBI PCC yesterday, AFTER my PPR.

Lesson: The VOs are more rational and kind than we might think. Applications are judged as whole, and at times, little mistakes may be overlooked depending on the total disposition of an individual's application. Thus, I suggest to those who are waiting to simply relax and let the whole process take its course. VO's are human, and are capable of acting humanely. They have been doing this for a long time, and can sense applications accomplished in earnest and are likely to be more lenient to them when minute details are missing. So, submit your application as completely and as correctly as you can, then forget about it and live your life. You will get your PPR and PR if it's truly meant for you.


The major lesson I learned is that respect and kindness begets both. In your LOE's always express your gratitude for being considered/invited to apply, and emphasize your strong desire to become a Canadian and contribute meaningfully to Canadian society. Always punctuate your LOEs with positivity, appealing to the better natures of the Visa Officer. Tell them that you really want it, and are absolutely willing to do anything you can - including those you might have forgotten to do/include in your applications - to become a permanent resident and citizen of Canada.


Good luck everyone, and may the God(s) you worship bless you with their favor.
 
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What a fabulous post! Congrats on your PR, and thanks for sharing these thoughts. I couldn't agree more that the human factor, as expressed through a positive and respectful LOE, and hopefully echoed on the other end by the VO, counts for more than we probably realize. I spent a LOT of time crafting my LOE, emphasizing my gratitude for the ITA and hopes for the future, and now I'm even more glad that I did so.

So often we read bad news about applications that are rejected due to minutiae, but what we don't hear about--probably because most of us aren't aware of them--are the many, many apps that are approved despite errors or missing information. I appreciate the reminder about the attitude we take, and I vow to stay positive for the rest of the process.

Cheers to you.
 
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degm

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May 31, 2017
244
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Hi all,

I just want to share with you the lessons I have learned from the whole process of applying for permanent residence through the Express Entry (FSW) stream.

First, here is my info/timeline:


ITA: January 11, 2017
AOR: April 5, 2017
Meds passed: June 22, 2017
PPR: July 17, 2017

Personal attributes:
CRS Score: 460
IELTS: 8.0/8.5/8.5/8.5
Education: Bachelors degree, PhD degree (from the USA)
Work experience: 5.5 years as graduate research/teaching assistant, 5 years as postdoctoral fellow, all in the USA (NOC code 2121)
Current employment: Research Fellow at the University of Toronto, St. George
Family in Canada: Sister (naturalized citizen); parents (permanent residents at time of AOR, became naturalized citizens two weeks ago)

I submitted my complete application packet on April 5, 2017, three months after ITA, as I had to move from the US to Canada to start my fellowship at the University of Toronto. The fellowship is LMIA exempt, and I have now a work permit valid until February 2018. However, in the LOE from my current supervisor, he stated (generously and kindly) that the position is renewable yearly.

Now the issues that worried me during the 3 months, 2 weeks of waiting:

1. When I submitted my application, I failed to include a translation of my bachelor's degree diploma (originally in Latin). I only uploaded the Latin diploma and my college transcripts. I did not wish to claim education points for it, since I have a PhD and uploaded the corresponding diploma (English) and transcripts. However, 2 weeks after submitting my application, I worried, especially reading through the threads here, that my application might get rejected for being incomplete due to the absence of English translation for my bachelor's degree diploma. I also forgot to send copies of my old passport bio and stamped pages. I raised a CSE and sent the unsolicited translation and passport pages and a nice letter of explanation. After 5 weeks, I heard back from CIC telling me that they have included them in my file. I was a bit relieved.

Lesson: They do consider unsolicited submissions as long as you provide an honest letter explaining yourself nicely, appealing to their better natures. Be kind and humble in your CSE!


2. I left the USA in February 2017, but the FBI certificate I submitted was issued to me in December 2016. Meaning, my police certificate was issued while I was still living in the US, but less than 6 months old at the time of AOR. It seems like they really follow the 6 months rule, so the police check need not always be issued after one has left a country. If you think about it, it is not that easy to get PCC's from most countries where one has resided, so some VO's might be inclined to be more forgiving and rational about it. Perhaps the fact that I had been background checked before to get issued a Canada work permit made them decide to give it a pass. However, in the CSE I raised, I also included a copy of the request form for the FBI and my fingerprint card to prove that I was working on getting a 'better' PCC, and indicated in my LOE that I would submit it as soon as I received it. I got my new FBI PCC yesterday, AFTER my PPR.

Lesson: The VOs are more rational and kind than we might think. Applications are judged as whole, and at times, little mistakes may be overlooked depending on the total disposition of an individual's application. Thus, I suggest to those who are waiting to simply relax and let the whole process take its course. VO's are human, and are capable of acting humanely. They have been doing this for a long time, and can sense applications accomplished in earnest and are likely to be more lenient to them when minute details are missing. So, submit your application as completely and as correctly as you can, then forget about it and live your life. You will get your PPR and PR if it's truly meant for you.


The major lesson I learned is that respect and kindness begets both. In your LOE's always express your gratitude for being considered/invited to apply, and emphasize your strong desire to become a Canadian and contribute meaningfully to Canadian society. Always punctuate your LOEs with positivity, appealing to the better natures of the Visa Officer. Tell them that you really want it, and are absolutely willing to do anything you can - including those you might have forgotten to do/include in your applications - to become a permanent resident and citizen of Canada.


Good luck everyone, and may the God(s) you worship bless you with their favor.
Thank you for your insight. Is there any particular reason you decided to include documentation for your Bachelor´s degree if you only claimed points for your PhD?
 

dukeofU

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Apr 12, 2017
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Thank you for your insight. Is there any particular reason you decided to include documentation for your Bachelor´s degree if you only claimed points for your PhD?

I included it in my education history simply because it is an essential part of it. But I did not submit an ECA for it, I only sent the ECA for my PhD from the US, for which I could get the maximum points for education.
 

degm

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May 31, 2017
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I included it in my education history simply because it is an essential part of it. But I did not submit an ECA for it, I only sent the ECA for my PhD from the US, for which I could get the maximum points for education.
Thanks! So let me get this straight. At first you submitted your bachelor´s degree diploma, even though you didn´t claim points for it, and then decided to attach a translation through CSE? But still you didn´t get an ECA for that degree? If this is the case, I am happy for you that you got your PPR very quickly, but it also feels like you made things unnecessarily complex. But I guess it worked out for you so...
 

4RyL

Hero Member
Jun 6, 2017
319
218
Congratulations Dr. and thanks for sharing your experience.
It tells us that we just have to be nice people towards each other in this world. God bless you and all the best in your new home. We hope to be joining one day!
 

bellaluna

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Thanks! So let me get this straight. At first you submitted your bachelor´s degree diploma, even though you didn´t claim points for it, and then decided to attach a translation through CSE? But still you didn´t get an ECA for that degree? If this is the case, I am happy for you that you got your PPR very quickly, but it also feels like you made things unnecessarily complex. But I guess it worked out for you so...
There wouldn't have been any need for the ECA for the bachelor's degree since OP had already submitted the ECA for a PhD, which granted OP maximum education points anyway.
 

LalluBhaiya

Star Member
Jun 28, 2017
138
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Hi all,

I just want to share with you the lessons I have learned from the whole process of applying for permanent residence through the Express Entry (FSW) stream.

First, here is my info/timeline:


ITA: January 11, 2017
AOR: April 5, 2017
Meds passed: June 22, 2017
PPR: July 17, 2017

Personal attributes:
CRS Score: 460
IELTS: 8.0/8.5/8.5/8.5
Education: Bachelors degree, PhD degree (from the USA)
Work experience: 5.5 years as graduate research/teaching assistant, 5 years as postdoctoral fellow, all in the USA (NOC code 2121)
Current employment: Research Fellow at the University of Toronto, St. George
Family in Canada: Sister (naturalized citizen); parents (permanent residents at time of AOR, became naturalized citizens two weeks ago)

I submitted my complete application packet on April 5, 2017, three months after ITA, as I had to move from the US to Canada to start my fellowship at the University of Toronto. The fellowship is LMIA exempt, and I have now a work permit valid until February 2018. However, in the LOE from my current supervisor, he stated (generously and kindly) that the position is renewable yearly.

Now the issues that worried me during the 3 months, 2 weeks of waiting:

1. When I submitted my application, I failed to include a translation of my bachelor's degree diploma (originally in Latin). I only uploaded the Latin diploma and my college transcripts. I did not wish to claim education points for it, since I have a PhD and uploaded the corresponding diploma (English) and transcripts. However, 2 weeks after submitting my application, I worried, especially reading through the threads here, that my application might get rejected for being incomplete due to the absence of English translation for my bachelor's degree diploma. I also forgot to send copies of my old passport bio and stamped pages. I raised a CSE and sent the unsolicited translation and passport pages and a nice letter of explanation. After 5 weeks, I heard back from CIC telling me that they have included them in my file. I was a bit relieved.

Lesson: They do consider unsolicited submissions as long as you provide an honest letter explaining yourself nicely, appealing to their better natures. Be kind and humble in your CSE!


2. I left the USA in February 2017, but the FBI certificate I submitted was issued to me in December 2016. Meaning, my police certificate was issued while I was still living in the US, but less than 6 months old at the time of AOR. It seems like they really follow the 6 months rule, so the police check need not always be issued after one has left a country. If you think about it, it is not that easy to get PCC's from most countries where one has resided, so some VO's might be inclined to be more forgiving and rational about it. Perhaps the fact that I had been background checked before to get issued a Canada work permit made them decide to give it a pass. However, in the CSE I raised, I also included a copy of the request form for the FBI and my fingerprint card to prove that I was working on getting a 'better' PCC, and indicated in my LOE that I would submit it as soon as I received it. I got my new FBI PCC yesterday, AFTER my PPR.

Lesson: The VOs are more rational and kind than we might think. Applications are judged as whole, and at times, little mistakes may be overlooked depending on the total disposition of an individual's application. Thus, I suggest to those who are waiting to simply relax and let the whole process take its course. VO's are human, and are capable of acting humanely. They have been doing this for a long time, and can sense applications accomplished in earnest and are likely to be more lenient to them when minute details are missing. So, submit your application as completely and as correctly as you can, then forget about it and live your life. You will get your PPR and PR if it's truly meant for you.


The major lesson I learned is that respect and kindness begets both. In your LOE's always express your gratitude for being considered/invited to apply, and emphasize your strong desire to become a Canadian and contribute meaningfully to Canadian society. Always punctuate your LOEs with positivity, appealing to the better natures of the Visa Officer. Tell them that you really want it, and are absolutely willing to do anything you can - including those you might have forgotten to do/include in your applications - to become a permanent resident and citizen of Canada.


Good luck everyone, and may the God(s) you worship bless you with their favor.
Thanks for you post, it is so helpful. But I want to tell one thing - I believe it varies form person to person, while some officer might be kind there may be someone who is an absolute prick, you will never know until you know. Again, all the best, and see you in Canada!!
 

DEEPCUR

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Apr 12, 2016
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Nice post.

I got ppr few days back with similar timelines. The biggest lesson I personally learnt even before submitting the application is that to read and follow this forum, understand catches thoroughly so that there is absolutely no need to send CSE s. At the time of submitting the application the only thing I was very particular was not to revisit the application and send additional documents through CSE at any cost. Anyway we all are humans and make mistakes, but often I see people coming here as soon as they submit the application searching for reasons for rejection just to realize that they miss something (like translation, exact PCC need etc) in their application. They submit the CSE and sit with additional stress for rest of their application time which could've been easily avoided if they did due diligence before submission. I know people who sent CSE and got rejected because it couldn't reach officers on time.
 

chente

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Congrats on your PR buddy, and thanks for sharing your experience!
 

axolotl

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Apr 17, 2017
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Hi all,

I just want to share with you the lessons I have learned from the whole process of applying for permanent residence through the Express Entry (FSW) stream.

First, here is my info/timeline:


ITA: January 11, 2017
AOR: April 5, 2017
Meds passed: June 22, 2017
PPR: July 17, 2017

Personal attributes:
CRS Score: 460
IELTS: 8.0/8.5/8.5/8.5
Education: Bachelors degree, PhD degree (from the USA)
Work experience: 5.5 years as graduate research/teaching assistant, 5 years as postdoctoral fellow, all in the USA (NOC code 2121)
Current employment: Research Fellow at the University of Toronto, St. George
Family in Canada: Sister (naturalized citizen); parents (permanent residents at time of AOR, became naturalized citizens two weeks ago)

I submitted my complete application packet on April 5, 2017, three months after ITA, as I had to move from the US to Canada to start my fellowship at the University of Toronto. The fellowship is LMIA exempt, and I have now a work permit valid until February 2018. However, in the LOE from my current supervisor, he stated (generously and kindly) that the position is renewable yearly.

Now the issues that worried me during the 3 months, 2 weeks of waiting:

1. When I submitted my application, I failed to include a translation of my bachelor's degree diploma (originally in Latin). I only uploaded the Latin diploma and my college transcripts. I did not wish to claim education points for it, since I have a PhD and uploaded the corresponding diploma (English) and transcripts. However, 2 weeks after submitting my application, I worried, especially reading through the threads here, that my application might get rejected for being incomplete due to the absence of English translation for my bachelor's degree diploma. I also forgot to send copies of my old passport bio and stamped pages. I raised a CSE and sent the unsolicited translation and passport pages and a nice letter of explanation. After 5 weeks, I heard back from CIC telling me that they have included them in my file. I was a bit relieved.

Lesson: They do consider unsolicited submissions as long as you provide an honest letter explaining yourself nicely, appealing to their better natures. Be kind and humble in your CSE!


2. I left the USA in February 2017, but the FBI certificate I submitted was issued to me in December 2016. Meaning, my police certificate was issued while I was still living in the US, but less than 6 months old at the time of AOR. It seems like they really follow the 6 months rule, so the police check need not always be issued after one has left a country. If you think about it, it is not that easy to get PCC's from most countries where one has resided, so some VO's might be inclined to be more forgiving and rational about it. Perhaps the fact that I had been background checked before to get issued a Canada work permit made them decide to give it a pass. However, in the CSE I raised, I also included a copy of the request form for the FBI and my fingerprint card to prove that I was working on getting a 'better' PCC, and indicated in my LOE that I would submit it as soon as I received it. I got my new FBI PCC yesterday, AFTER my PPR.

Lesson: The VOs are more rational and kind than we might think. Applications are judged as whole, and at times, little mistakes may be overlooked depending on the total disposition of an individual's application. Thus, I suggest to those who are waiting to simply relax and let the whole process take its course. VO's are human, and are capable of acting humanely. They have been doing this for a long time, and can sense applications accomplished in earnest and are likely to be more lenient to them when minute details are missing. So, submit your application as completely and as correctly as you can, then forget about it and live your life. You will get your PPR and PR if it's truly meant for you.


The major lesson I learned is that respect and kindness begets both. In your LOE's always express your gratitude for being considered/invited to apply, and emphasize your strong desire to become a Canadian and contribute meaningfully to Canadian society. Always punctuate your LOEs with positivity, appealing to the better natures of the Visa Officer. Tell them that you really want it, and are absolutely willing to do anything you can - including those you might have forgotten to do/include in your applications - to become a permanent resident and citizen of Canada.


Good luck everyone, and may the God(s) you worship bless you with their favor.
Interesting!

I am facing a similar situation. I received the AOR on 27 June, received my Singapore PCC on 6 July 2017 and uploaded it via CSE on the same day, while I was still a resident of Singapore. (Officially the Singapore Police is supposed to approve my PCC request only if I can show them an official request from the IRCC but in my case they accepted the ITA.) Then I moved to Canada on 15 July and received two requests for PCC today (29 July), one for Singapore and the other for the Netherlands. It seems that either my previous upload of the Singapore PCC has not yet been added to my profile, or the VO has not noticed it. I re-uploaded the Singapore PCC and added a LOE with a confirmation PDF from the Singapore Police that I have re-appealed for a new PCC from Singapore.

I hope that my VO is as sympathetic as yours and will give me a pass.

Regarding your last sentence, what if I worship a goddess or goddesses, or just the laws of physics? :D
 
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leevu06

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Nov 13, 2019
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Hi,

In first para, you mentioned CSE, what is CSE and how did you raise it?
Thn
Hi all,

I just want to share with you the lessons I have learned from the whole process of applying for permanent residence through the Express Entry (FSW) stream.

First, here is my info/timeline:


ITA: January 11, 2017
AOR: April 5, 2017
Meds passed: June 22, 2017
PPR: July 17, 2017

Personal attributes:
CRS Score: 460
IELTS: 8.0/8.5/8.5/8.5
Education: Bachelors degree, PhD degree (from the USA)
Work experience: 5.5 years as graduate research/teaching assistant, 5 years as postdoctoral fellow, all in the USA (NOC code 2121)
Current employment: Research Fellow at the University of Toronto, St. George
Family in Canada: Sister (naturalized citizen); parents (permanent residents at time of AOR, became naturalized citizens two weeks ago)

I submitted my complete application packet on April 5, 2017, three months after ITA, as I had to move from the US to Canada to start my fellowship at the University of Toronto. The fellowship is LMIA exempt, and I have now a work permit valid until February 2018. However, in the LOE from my current supervisor, he stated (generously and kindly) that the position is renewable yearly.

Now the issues that worried me during the 3 months, 2 weeks of waiting:

1. When I submitted my application, I failed to include a translation of my bachelor's degree diploma (originally in Latin). I only uploaded the Latin diploma and my college transcripts. I did not wish to claim education points for it, since I have a PhD and uploaded the corresponding diploma (English) and transcripts. However, 2 weeks after submitting my application, I worried, especially reading through the threads here, that my application might get rejected for being incomplete due to the absence of English translation for my bachelor's degree diploma. I also forgot to send copies of my old passport bio and stamped pages. I raised a CSE and sent the unsolicited translation and passport pages and a nice letter of explanation. After 5 weeks, I heard back from CIC telling me that they have included them in my file. I was a bit relieved.

Lesson: They do consider unsolicited submissions as long as you provide an honest letter explaining yourself nicely, appealing to their better natures. Be kind and humble in your CSE!


2. I left the USA in February 2017, but the FBI certificate I submitted was issued to me in December 2016. Meaning, my police certificate was issued while I was still living in the US, but less than 6 months old at the time of AOR. It seems like they really follow the 6 months rule, so the police check need not always be issued after one has left a country. If you think about it, it is not that easy to get PCC's from most countries where one has resided, so some VO's might be inclined to be more forgiving and rational about it. Perhaps the fact that I had been background checked before to get issued a Canada work permit made them decide to give it a pass. However, in the CSE I raised, I also included a copy of the request form for the FBI and my fingerprint card to prove that I was working on getting a 'better' PCC, and indicated in my LOE that I would submit it as soon as I received it. I got my new FBI PCC yesterday, AFTER my PPR.

Lesson: The VOs are more rational and kind than we might think. Applications are judged as whole, and at times, little mistakes may be overlooked depending on the total disposition of an individual's application. Thus, I suggest to those who are waiting to simply relax and let the whole process take its course. VO's are human, and are capable of acting humanely. They have been doing this for a long time, and can sense applications accomplished in earnest and are likely to be more lenient to them when minute details are missing. So, submit your application as completely and as correctly as you can, then forget about it and live your life. You will get your PPR and PR if it's truly meant for you.


The major lesson I learned is that respect and kindness begets both. In your LOE's always express your gratitude for being considered/invited to apply, and emphasize your strong desire to become a Canadian and contribute meaningfully to Canadian society. Always punctuate your LOEs with positivity, appealing to the better natures of the Visa Officer. Tell them that you really want it, and are absolutely willing to do anything you can - including those you might have forgotten to do/include in your applications - to become a permanent resident and citizen of Canada.


Good luck everyone, and may the God(s) you worship bless you with their favor.