Singapore timeline

[Tajnuba]

You guys get a required medical check on 6/6/2017 or not , I got required but no email and after that on 9/6/2017 CIC send email for apologizes from technical problems..and tell me wait messages

No i didnt get that ..

 

[TKGSTK]

Finally I got required of medical check waiting for month since CIC had technical problems so 7/7/2017 I got email and today 8/7/2017 I did check and good medical check report both of us ...yippee wait for next step I feel like almost close PR now .

 

[mahirasef]

So after getting AOR2(when file gets transferred to Singapore VO), when you can expect to get medical request? How long it takes in average?

 

[TKGSTK]

For me after I got AOR2 16/3/2017 waiting for do medical check all most 4 months, and can't tell you when ?? Because we don't know when they need only waiting many time make me frustrated, and many times tired for waiting...hope we all get PR soon and keep cross our fingers

 

[Shineon39]

For me after I got AOR2 16/3/2017 waiting for do medical check all most 4 months, and can't tell you when ?? Because we don't know when they need only waiting many time make me frustrated, and many times tired for waiting...hope we all get PR soon and keep cross our fingers

If the processing time didn't change since last year you can expect around 7-9 month to get your PR if everything going well.

 

[oscargang]

For me after I got AOR2 16/3/2017 waiting for do medical check all most 4 months, and can't tell you when ?? Because we don't know when they need only waiting many time make me frustrated, and many times tired for waiting...hope we all get PR soon and keep cross our fingers

Great to hear good news! Hope my application moving soon

 

[CdnWifeLivingInThailand]

Woohoo!!! Congrats on getting your medical finally requested TKGSTK... My Thai husband is still waiting for his medical to be requested... more than 6 months after applying! We were supposed to get the GCSM notes yesterday, so hopefully we might find something out soon when we get the notes... Really hoping delay is medical request isn't indicating need for an interview...

Finally I got required of medical check waiting for month since CIC had technical problems so 7/7/2017 I got email and today 8/7/2017 I did check and good medical check report both of us ...yippee wait for next step I feel like almost close PR now .

 

[CdnWifeLivingInThailand]

If the processing time didn't change since last year you can expect around 7-9 month to get your PR if everything going well.

Wow. 7 to 9 months would be amazing Already at the 6 month mark, though, and still in eligibility and no medical request so I doubt I'll fall into that processing timeline!

 

[TKGSTK]

Great to hear good news! Hope my application moving soon

You will have good news soon

 

[TKGSTK]

Woohoo!!! Congrats on getting your medical finally requested TKGSTK... My Thai husband is still waiting for his medical to be requested... more than 6 months after applying! We were supposed to get the GCSM notes yesterday, so hopefully we might find something out soon when we get the notes... Really hoping delay is medical request isn't indicating need for an interview...

I just smile since I waiting for 6 months, lot of things to worry and I'm very understand how you guys feel , hope you guys will get good news soon

 

[oscargang]

Woohoo!!! Congrats on getting your medical finally requested TKGSTK... My Thai husband is still waiting for his medical to be requested... more than 6 months after applying! We were supposed to get the GCSM notes yesterday, so hopefully we might find something out soon when we get the notes... Really hoping delay is medical request isn't indicating need for an interview...

Do you have you GCMS note yet? Any progress?

I've just got mine today. In the note, I can see that the Officer in Singapore put a "Recomend Pass" and "Recomend WAV" on my case, no red flags. He then assigned the case back to an Officer in Mississauga to review. That note was added since mid May. Up to now (almost 2 months), there is not any updated notes on my case. The background/security check have not even started. At first, I have an impression that the delay is in Singapore but from the note, it seem to be in Mississauga now .

You have similar timeline as mine. Probably you can share some info so that we can shed some light on the progress .

 

[CdnWifeLivingInThailand]

Do you have you GCMS note yet? Any progress?

I've just got mine today. In the note, I can see that the Officer in Singapore put a "Recomend Pass" and "Recomend WAV" on my case, no red flags. He then assigned the case back to an Officer in Mississauga to review. That note was added since mid May. Up to now (almost 2 months), there is not any updated notes on my case. The background/security check have not even started. At first, I have an impression that the delay is in Singapore but from the note, it seem to be in Mississauga now .

You have similar timeline as mine. Probably you can share some info so that we can shed some light on the progress .

That's great that you got Recommend Pass and Recommend Wav with no red flags! Really happy to hear that for you! I also just got the GCMS notes this morning as well!! Seems like today was the GCMS note day! Ours aren't quite as good as yours but just happy to have some sort of update, since the "uncertainty" of the situation is the killer, not the long wait.

Here are my initial thoughts and/or concerns from what I saw in the notes. Shedding some light on the progress would be great, although beware of LONG post! ;-)

1. Eligibility in progress. Medical, criminality, security all not started.

2. Unlike your recommend pass, we have "review required" for eligibility - so from what I read on the forum, this isn't a great sign and indicates that extra scrutiny needs to be used when reviewing our file closely, and likely an interview needed, but not for sure as it doesn't say "interview required" yet... So looking like a much longer timeline for us. Just relieved to "know" that it will be longer so I can better plan.

3. Notes - created by KC01824 on March 22, 2017 in Singapore:

PAPER SCREENED. MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE: registered 13nov2015, chiang mai. SUMMARY OF DEVELOPMENT & LENGTH OF RELATIONSHIP: First marriage for both. PA is 29yr old male and SPR is 25yr old cancit female. They met mar2013 where he was then a student and she was a volunteer at XXXX in ChiangMai. They continued contact even on her return to Canada in feb2014. She came back to volunteer again in aug2014-jan2015. They engaged dec2014. Declared: TRV refusals in may2014 and jul2015. Married 13nov2015. Attended by SPR's parents. Copy of photos seen. They continue to live together in Thailand. Appears bona fide. A39 concerns: PA is Missionary/Pastor. Both in Thailand. SPR is non-salaried Missionary. Advised that her parents will employ her @cadXX/hr on her return to Canada. Her father is a medical doctor and she is short of the mandated work experience to complete the CPA Accounting designation. No evidence seen.

a) Notes mentioned "bonafide relationship" so I was very happy to see that they don't seem to doubt that our relationship is genuine. I mean, I did quit my job, jeopardize my CPA in order to be with my husband full time in Thailand!

b) Notes mentioned A39 concerns. When I looked that up on the forum, it mentioned that if CIC is not convinced that adequate arrangements (not including reliance on social welfare) have been made for the needs of the applicant, and he/she is unwilling or unable to provide for their own needs, the application can be denied. I was a little surprised to see this as I thought, since I have sponsorship approval, I thought this was no longer a concern? But I guess my understanding was mistaken. I did include a letter from my parents stating that we could live at home, and I could work as the accountant for my dad's medical practice until I found other suitable work once we move to Canada... Not sure what else I should provide...

c) "No evidence seen." Does this mean I should maybe send in new evidence about something? About jeopardizing my CPA to be with my husband? Ideas?

d) No update on my file since the above note was added to my file on March 22, 2017. So 3.66 months and counting...

e) I hope it's clear to them that both TRV refusals were after we were dating (not before we met), so obviously he was trying to come to Canada to see his girlfriend/fiancee, not that he married me to come to Canada...

4. Part of Note by CPC Mississauga on January 31, 2017 (when SA received).

Sponsor Eligibility Decision: Passed. GCMS Check: (Various info from previous two TRV refusals...) V/O to consider and assess. Correct fees received and allocated. Client was advised via decision letter from CPCM that: An original Upfront medical report form (IMM1017B UPFRONT) signed by a Panel Physician or an E-Medical Up-front Medical Notification information sheet has not been provided. Your relative(s) must complete the medical and once completed forward this information directly to the visa office noted above along with a copy of this letter. Your application has been transferred to the visa office noting this deficiency. Your relative must also forward the medical information directly to the visa office to allow continued processing of his/her application. Failure to do so will result in delays and possible refusal of your relative's application. Authorized representative verified to be in good status. SPR is Canadian citizen residing abroad - intent to return to Canada to be determined by the visa office.

a) I am VERY confused why this note includes requesting an upfront medical or risk being denied, when upfront medicals are no longer allowed or possible??!! (We tried getting the upfront medical... wasted money flying to a hospital in Bangkok that said they could still do the upfront mid-December 2016, only to be told that the hospital made a mistake and couldn't do upfront medicals anymore...) We have not received a medical request yet. Medical has status "not started" in GCMS notes. When IRCC is called, it says that "we do not need additional documents" and "if you need a medical exam, a message with instructions will be sent to you." I'm assuming this was an erroneous automatic note since they hadn't updated their software yet for no upfront medicals?? Should we contact them to see if they are in-fact waiting for a medical, even though it says medical "not started" and no request as been received???!!!

5. Under Sponsor information, it states that I (sponsor) have four years of Diploma/Certificate (Non-University), when in fact I have four year Bachelor of Commerce (as stated in my application) plus 0.5 years of a graduate diploma in accounting (i.e. a graduate program). As they seem to be worried that I can't support my husband back home in Canada, is this error something I should try to point out for them to fix? Not sure what to do here... Should I send in my transcript showing my Bachelor of Commerce, plus my graduate diploma in accounting? My Dean's list with distinction as proof that it shouldn't be too hard to land a job in the future?!

Well, those are the things that stood out to me so far... Open to comments and advice and feedback Thanks for your help! It's time for you to have a nap if you actually made it to the end of this message! ;-)

 

[Shineon39]

3. Notes - created by KC01824 on March 22, 2017 in Singapore:

PAPER SCREENED. MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE: registered 13nov2015, chiang mai. SUMMARY OF DEVELOPMENT & LENGTH OF RELATIONSHIP: First marriage for both. PA is 29yr old male and SPR is 25yr old cancit female. They met mar2013 where he was then a student and she was a volunteer at XXXX in ChiangMai. They continued contact even on her return to Canada in feb2014. She came back to volunteer again in aug2014-jan2015. They engaged dec2014. Declared: TRV refusals in may2014 and jul2015. Married 13nov2015. Attended by SPR's parents. Copy of photos seen. They continue to live together in Thailand. Appears bona fide. A39 concerns: PA is Missionary/Pastor. Both in Thailand. SPR is non-salaried Missionary. Advised that her parents will employ her @cadXX/hr on her return to Canada. Her father is a medical doctor and she is short of the mandated work experience to complete the CPA Accounting designation. No evidence seen.

I'm not expert but this is what I understand from your note. They don't have any doubt about you relation being genuine and this is really good
But they have concern about how you will support yourself and your husband when you'll be back to Canada. You sent letter stating that you'll work as acccontant for your dad but it seems that they don't believe or the document sent is not enought for them??? If you can, it would be a good idea to send everything you have to show them that you can support yourself and your husband while in Canada.

Even if it's not required to meet certain level of income to sponsor wife or husband, they will look how you can support your husband. In my own GCMS note the clearly mentioned my salary and my capacity to support my wife.

 

[oscargang]

That's great that you got Recommend Pass and Recommend Wav with no red flags! Really happy to hear that for you! I also just got the GCMS notes this morning as well!! Seems like today was the GCMS note day! Ours aren't quite as good as yours but just happy to have some sort of update, since the "uncertainty" of the situation is the killer, not the long wait.

Here are my initial thoughts and/or concerns from what I saw in the notes. Shedding some light on the progress would be great, although beware of LONG post! ;-)

1. Eligibility in progress. Medical, criminality, security all not started.

2. Unlike your recommend pass, we have "review required" for eligibility - so from what I read on the forum, this isn't a great sign and indicates that extra scrutiny needs to be used when reviewing our file closely, and likely an interview needed, but not for sure as it doesn't say "interview required" yet... So looking like a much longer timeline for us. Just relieved to "know" that it will be longer so I can better plan.

3. Notes - created by KC01824 on March 22, 2017 in Singapore:

PAPER SCREENED. MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE: registered 13nov2015, chiang mai. SUMMARY OF DEVELOPMENT & LENGTH OF RELATIONSHIP: First marriage for both. PA is 29yr old male and SPR is 25yr old cancit female. They met mar2013 where he was then a student and she was a volunteer at XXXX in ChiangMai. They continued contact even on her return to Canada in feb2014. She came back to volunteer again in aug2014-jan2015. They engaged dec2014. Declared: TRV refusals in may2014 and jul2015. Married 13nov2015. Attended by SPR's parents. Copy of photos seen. They continue to live together in Thailand. Appears bona fide. A39 concerns: PA is Missionary/Pastor. Both in Thailand. SPR is non-salaried Missionary. Advised that her parents will employ her @cadXX/hr on her return to Canada. Her father is a medical doctor and she is short of the mandated work experience to complete the CPA Accounting designation. No evidence seen.

a) Notes mentioned "bonafide relationship" so I was very happy to see that they don't seem to doubt that our relationship is genuine. I mean, I did quit my job, jeopardize my CPA in order to be with my husband full time in Thailand!

b) Notes mentioned A39 concerns. When I looked that up on the forum, it mentioned that if CIC is not convinced that adequate arrangements (not including reliance on social welfare) have been made for the needs of the applicant, and he/she is unwilling or unable to provide for their own needs, the application can be denied. I was a little surprised to see this as I thought, since I have sponsorship approval, I thought this was no longer a concern? But I guess my understanding was mistaken. I did include a letter from my parents stating that we could live at home, and I could work as the accountant for my dad's medical practice until I found other suitable work once we move to Canada... Not sure what else I should provide...

c) "No evidence seen." Does this mean I should maybe send in new evidence about something? About jeopardizing my CPA to be with my husband? Ideas?

d) No update on my file since the above note was added to my file on March 22, 2017. So 3.66 months and counting...

e) I hope it's clear to them that both TRV refusals were after we were dating (not before we met), so obviously he was trying to come to Canada to see his girlfriend/fiancee, not that he married me to come to Canada...

4. Part of Note by CPC Mississauga on January 31, 2017 (when SA received).

Sponsor Eligibility Decision: Passed. GCMS Check: (Various info from previous two TRV refusals...) V/O to consider and assess. Correct fees received and allocated. Client was advised via decision letter from CPCM that: An original Upfront medical report form (IMM1017B UPFRONT) signed by a Panel Physician or an E-Medical Up-front Medical Notification information sheet has not been provided. Your relative(s) must complete the medical and once completed forward this information directly to the visa office noted above along with a copy of this letter. Your application has been transferred to the visa office noting this deficiency. Your relative must also forward the medical information directly to the visa office to allow continued processing of his/her application. Failure to do so will result in delays and possible refusal of your relative's application. Authorized representative verified to be in good status. SPR is Canadian citizen residing abroad - intent to return to Canada to be determined by the visa office.

a) I am VERY confused why this note includes requesting an upfront medical or risk being denied, when upfront medicals are no longer allowed or possible??!! (We tried getting the upfront medical... wasted money flying to a hospital in Bangkok that said they could still do the upfront mid-December 2016, only to be told that the hospital made a mistake and couldn't do upfront medicals anymore...) We have not received a medical request yet. Medical has status "not started" in GCMS notes. When IRCC is called, it says that "we do not need additional documents" and "if you need a medical exam, a message with instructions will be sent to you." I'm assuming this was an erroneous automatic note since they hadn't updated their software yet for no upfront medicals?? Should we contact them to see if they are in-fact waiting for a medical, even though it says medical "not started" and no request as been received???!!!

5. Under Sponsor information, it states that I (sponsor) have four years of Diploma/Certificate (Non-University), when in fact I have four year Bachelor of Commerce (as stated in my application) plus 0.5 years of a graduate diploma in accounting (i.e. a graduate program). As they seem to be worried that I can't support my husband back home in Canada, is this error something I should try to point out for them to fix? Not sure what to do here... Should I send in my transcript showing my Bachelor of Commerce, plus my graduate diploma in accounting? My Dean's list with distinction as proof that it shouldn't be too hard to land a job in the future?!

Well, those are the things that stood out to me so far... Open to comments and advice and feedback Thanks for your help! It's time for you to have a nap if you actually made it to the end of this message! ;-)

First of all, we have the same agent KC01824 . This is my personal thought:
- The officer at local VO (Singaport) is the one who will decide. Thus even though you got the PA (made by officer in CPC-M), the local VO officer can put a review if he does not satisfy at some points. As other member suggested, you might need to send documents showing your support for the PA (such as pay stub, other incomes ...). Try to show that you have a stable income to support the PA such that you and your husband don't rely on the social welfare. The point is that they don't want to bring more people that will cause burden to the whole system.
- Regarding the A39 concern, you might probably show the evidences that you are working at your father's clinic, tax paper, pay stub. Also you need consider to re-enroll in the CPA exam which shows them that you have dedications to get CPA to have a good job and ready to support your husband. I know CPA is hard, my wife spent lots of time and efforts to get it
- About the TRV refusal, write them something and explain the situation.
- Do you have any GCMS pages banked out in? If so, they might have already initiated some checks (security/background). I am not sure about this one. I have one page banked because of section 16(1)(c). You might consult other members.
- I believed you use the new app kit. In the section of Medical check, they mentioned "Do not complete a medical examination at this time. You will be issued medical instructions after your application received. If you have completed an immigration medical examination in the last 12 months, please attach a copy of the Information Sheet from the Panel Physician and provide the date of your medical examination and the name and location of the Panel Physician below. You may still be required to undergo a new medical examination." You might contact the local VO to verify again.
- About your education, defintely you need to show them your degree, GPA or whatever that makes you a good candidate so that you can earn good money and support your husband.

Try to collect "evidences" (the term they are using) and supporting documents to clear their concerns. Write an explanation letter precisely and to-the-point. I think the best way to communication is though Webform, they have an option to upload documents.
https://secure.cic.gc.ca/enquiries-renseignements/case-cas-eng.aspx?mission=singapore

The waiting game is killing us. I understand your feeling. Wish you luck and cross the finger on my application

 

[CdnWifeLivingInThailand]

I'm not expert but this is what I understand from your note. They don't have any doubt about you relation being genuine and this is really good
But they have concern about how you will support yourself and your husband when you'll be back to Canada. You sent letter stating that you'll work as acccontant for your dad but it seems that they don't believe or the document sent is not enought for them??? If you can, it would be a good idea to send everything you have to show them that you can support yourself and your husband while in Canada.

Even if it's not required to meet certain level of income to sponsor wife or husband, they will look how you can support your husband. In my own GCMS note the clearly mentioned my salary and my capacity to support my wife.

Thanks Shineon39 for your feedback! Ya, I was a little surprised since I knew there wasn't an income level to sponsor, and I did what everyone recommends when you are a Canadian Citizen applying from abroad and impossible to line up a future job when you have no idea when your spouse will get PR so you can move back and start looking - Letter from parents saying you can live with them and be supported by them until you are on your feet, plus a job offer to be their accountant until I am in Canada and can start looking for another job...

I guess maybe I should send my transcripts from University to show the ability to get a decent job, and some statements of my bank accounts/savings accounts/investments accounts to prove that I have enough money saved up to support us in Canada for awhile as we look for jobs... And an explanation letter, outlining more details of why I can't start looking for another job in Canada yet, as I still live in Thailand with my husband and don't know when he'll get PR, but that I'm very confident that I can find a job once I am in Canada as I'm quite employable, list off some achievements/etc. and have lots of savings, in addition to support from my parents as long as we need it.