I received my notes

[Alurra71]

Please don't refer contacting her MP as harrasing. It is true that IRCC is not obligated to do anything but looking at the fact other people with her timelines already landed in Canada and she is a Dec 07 applicant then I believe there is a reason to contact her MP soon if indeed her case has not been started. She is not harrasing her MP, just contacting him/her and letting her know about her concerns. Why does contacting her MP has to be seen as "harrasing" that's a bit extreme. Not saying she should do it as soon as possible but she should be looking to do this next month or so when her application reaches the average of MVO. Forget about 18 months, that's the old system. They won't make every applicant from the DR wait 18 months. That would be insane. There has been some people reporting that after contacting their MP things started to move. So yes, I would contact my MP soon if I was in her situation. It won't hurt her application, if anything, she will get some real answers and get some peace of mind. She is in her rights to contact her MP... anyone is.

The response from the MP will be, you are within the stated times. Let me know if/when you surpass the 12 month mark and then MAYBE we can make a call and see what is going on.

Telling an applicant to call their MP when they are still well within the stated timelines; 12 months in this case; is really a fruitless endeavour. Even if you could manage to talk the MP into questioning, they would end up with the same answers that the applicant can procure from a phone call to CIC to ask. "Yes, we have your application. No, we don't know when it will be finished. You are still well within the processing time, we will contact you if any more information is required"

While I understand the desire to follow along with what is going on with everyone elses' application, it is not realistic to do that. Every application is different, every individual is different. It doesn't mean there is anything negative going on. All you can do while waiting for this is sit back, take a deep breath and express as much patience as you can.

 

[Jason12345]

I think we all need to remember that these are public forums. Some advice might be right or wrong.

I think the main point here is that your still in the processing time. You need to wait. Just like everyone else. It's frustrating and to be honest they should put in bold at the top of the application to do this

This will be stressful, get ready for a bumpy ride

 

[spousalsponsee]

Please don't refer contacting her MP as harrasing. It is true that IRCC is not obligated to do anything but looking at the fact other people with her timelines already landed in Canada and she is a Dec 07 applicant then I believe there is a reason to contact her MP soon if indeed her case has not been started. She is not harrasing her MP, just contacting him/her and letting her know about her concerns. Why does contacting her MP has to be seen as "harrasing" that's a bit extreme. Not saying she should do it as soon as possible but she should be looking to do this next month or so when her application reaches the average of MVO. Forget about 18 months, that's the old system. They won't make every applicant from the DR wait 18 months. That would be insane. There has been some people reporting that after contacting their MP things started to move. So yes, I would contact my MP soon if I was in her situation. It won't hurt her application, if anything, she will get some real answers and get some peace of mind. She is in her rights to contact her MP... anyone is.

Please don't advise someone to ask for help when the request can only go "Everything's currently within stated processing times. I don't like it". Asking an MP's office for help is something that should be done when help is needed. IE, when the application is outside normal processing times, or when they're getting conflicting messages, or when an egregious mistake has happened. Your instructions will use up resources unnecessarily, generate irritating and frustration in the office,and mean that they're less enthused to help if and when there's actually a reason for involving them.

There is no reason at all to contact an MP's office at this time. The application is well within both current stated target and historical processing norms. Your advice would be applicable if all the application times were the same, and we were writing this in June 2018. You are giving truly awful advice writing it now.

You're the only person who's said 'make everyone from DR wait 18 months'. As I already explained, that was the old system's 80% time; 80% of applications were processed in 18 months. 20% took longer than that. 80% took less. We have no idea how their internal systems are currently working on the new scale, because the new 80% target is 12 months, and has only been in place for 6 months - December 2017 is the earliest any assessment can be made of how it's working. All we can say at the moment is that OP should have a result within six months from now. It would probably be appropriate to order GCMS notes to see if there's an issue in around January 2018 in the unlikely even they have heard nothing by then.

The spreadsheets used here are always interesting to watch, particularly for people who are trotting along in a cohort, but they have no statistical validity, nor any value that can be used to argue IRCC are doing anything wrong. The only things that can be said at this time are that (both you and OP) are fully, 100% within IRCC's stated times. So complaining to anyone - in IRCC, or an MP's office - is only a waste of your time, and a waste of their time, and a waste of resources, and will result in nothing.

OP is within their rights to contact the MP's office, for sure. It will achieve exactly nothing, will neither hurt nor help their application, and could result in the MP's office being less willing to help if help is actually needed down the line. Whinging gets people nowhere.

 

[Tajnuba]

HI may i know how long it took for u to get the notes .. ?

 

[msb]

It's hard to believe that there can be 70 pages when they haven't even started your eligibility, security and criminality checks.

Well there are 70 pages yes. Here is the email:


This is further to your request under the Access to Information Act, which was received on May 19, 2017, for the following records:

the electronic notes of the immigration or citizenship officer(s) for the family class immigration file and sponsorship file concerning (name removed)

The processing of your request is now complete. Please refer to the following for an explanation as to what was released:

Disposition of your records: Disclosed in part

Section(s) of the Act applied (if applicable): 15(1) The detection, prevention or suppression of subversive or hostile activities, 16(1)(c) injurious to the enforcement of any law of Canada or a province or the conduct of lawful investigations, 17 safety of individuals, 19(1) personal information

You received the following amount of pages (if applicable): 70

Further information about the Access to Information Act can be found at the following web page:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/a-1/

Please be advised that you are entitled to submit a complaint regarding the processing of your request to the Information Commissioner within sixty days of the receipt of this notice. The complaint form can be retrieved at: http://www.oic-ci.gc.ca/eng/lc-cj-logde-complaint-deposer-plainte.aspx

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us by email at ATIP-AIPRP@cic.gc.ca.

Sincerely,

ATIP Officer
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada

 

[msb]

HI may i know how long it took for u to get the notes .. ?

Exactly 31 days

 

[msb]

This is not a good response. She got her AOR2 January 20th. IMO she should at least be in queue for an interview or her eligibility passed. She is almost 7 months into the process and the average for Mexico VO is actually 7 months and a half if you look at the spreadsheet(from app submitted to PPR). What you don't realize is that if they have to attend an interview at this point, their application will surpass the 1 year mark... She should contact her MP...

Thanks sneaky, the only advice however i was looking for here was assistance to read the many notes i got, it is quite long, 70 pages. I just wanted to see what so many of them means, the codes and abbreviation.

And you are correct the mexico VO never take 6/7 months long normally to at least have the eligibility as pending or in progress.

No one i know from DR wait 12 months to order notes as someone suggested above. Its normally ordered at 6-8 months time frame... its only 5 bucks, i will reorder in 2-3 months again

 

[msb]

Please don't advise someone to ask for help when the request can only go "Everything's currently within stated processing times. I don't like it". Asking an MP's office for help is something that should be done when help is needed. IE, when the application is outside normal processing times, or when they're getting conflicting messages, or when an egregious mistake has happened. Your instructions will use up resources unnecessarily, generate irritating and frustration in the office,and mean that they're less enthused to help if and when there's actually a reason for involving them.

There is no reason at all to contact an MP's office at this time. The application is well within both current stated target and historical processing norms. Your advice would be applicable if all the application times were the same, and we were writing this in June 2018. You are giving truly awful advice writing it now.

You're the only person who's said 'make everyone from DR wait 18 months'. As I already explained, that was the old system's 80% time; 80% of applications were processed in 18 months. 20% took longer than that. 80% took less. We have no idea how their internal systems are currently working on the new scale, because the new 80% target is 12 months, and has only been in place for 6 months - December 2017 is the earliest any assessment can be made of how it's working. All we can say at the moment is that OP should have a result within six months from now. It would probably be appropriate to order GCMS notes to see if there's an issue in around January 2018 in the unlikely even they have heard nothing by then.

The spreadsheets used here are always interesting to watch, particularly for people who are trotting along in a cohort, but they have no statistical validity, nor any value that can be used to argue IRCC are doing anything wrong. The only things that can be said at this time are that (both you and OP) are fully, 100% within IRCC's stated times. So complaining to anyone - in IRCC, or an MP's office - is only a waste of your time, and a waste of their time, and a waste of resources, and will result in nothing.

OP is within their rights to contact the MP's office, for sure. It will achieve exactly nothing, will neither hurt nor help their application, and could result in the MP's office being less willing to help if help is actually needed down the line. Whinging gets people nowhere.

Dont quote me as saying "i dont like it"
I base my info on all the others from DR that has gone through the same process. I dont think u have anything more u can add
I was looking for help with reading the many notes i have received. The eligibility part for dom rep usually does not take this long to begin with,with being at least started and or pending, i was not out of line questionning it. Never i said i did not like it.

Thanks

 

[msb]

I got my notes 3 months after they got my application started at Mexico VO, I got 45 pages, at first i did not understand why so many pages and some of them appear similar to me, but then going through them again carefully i started to understand them better, not to the full extent, I got some answers in the Mexico forum about dates and meanings, for me they give me relief as I cannot link my application to a CIC account, so far medicals are passed and they started criminality. i was hoping to find out about the interview, and it was not specific if we need one. I am starting to assume that the chances are 80% my husband will be going to attend the interview... for some people requesting the notes within the first 3-4 months is too early, for others is fine. I read in the notes tread that 3-4 months would be a good time especially because you get to see what the officer thinks of your relationship.

I am January applicant. Is shocking to hear that they haven't started any security or criminality for you. Did you send your PCC upfront?

Yes PCC was sent and confirmed in the notes as received. I am shocked too everyone else from DR that i know who has been through it, even if it took 8-12 mths, got their eligibility started sooner and would be as in process at this stage.

 

[msb]

... Errr, ok, you said they were 70 pages and some duplicates in the opening post, and that background screening hadn't started, which implied you'd read them & didn't have any issues to ask about.

If you don't want to either read your notes, or be linked to the big thread where people discuss how to read their notes, then..... there's not a whole lot you can do, to be honest.

It's very unlikely this early that there's anything bad in them - you ordered them so quickly into the process - and if they haven't even started background check, then the only things that could be in there are (1) medical (does your eCAS/myCIC say that's passed? If so, no problem there), (2) genuineness of relationship (look for letters "bf" which stand for "bona fide", or "good faith").

Most everyone i know from DR orders them around 6 months and then at 8months time frame. They can be ordered as many times as you want.
Yes i read them, some appeared duplicates but had a few different updates after i have looked more carefully. And YES I READ them, no need to be rude here. I was only looking to see if there are online resources to codes and abbreviations other than a forum long thread that are often hard to find info on.

 

[msb]

Please don't refer contacting her MP as harrasing. It is true that IRCC is not obligated to do anything but looking at the fact other people with her timelines already landed in Canada and she is a Dec 07 applicant then I believe there is a reason to contact her MP soon if indeed her case has not been started. She is not harrasing her MP, just contacting him/her and letting her know about her concerns. Why does contacting her MP has to be seen as "harrasing" that's a bit extreme. Not saying she should do it as soon as possible but she should be looking to do this next month or so when her application reaches the average of MVO. Forget about 18 months, that's the old system. They won't make every applicant from the DR wait 18 months. That would be insane. There has been some people reporting that after contacting their MP things started to move. So yes, I would contact my MP soon if I was in her situation. It won't hurt her application, if anything, she will get some real answers and get some peace of mind. She is in her rights to contact her MP... anyone is.

No worries, i know my MP good she would never see my concerns as harassing, he is being pretty extreme here with that comment.

 

[msb]

I think we all need to remember that these are public forums. Some advice might be right or wrong.

I think the main point here is that your still in the processing time. You need to wait. Just like everyone else. It's frustrating and to be honest they should put in bold at the top of the application to do this

This will be stressful, get ready for a bumpy ride

I was only asking for info on how to read the notes, everyone just jumps to conclusion..... sigh...

 

[msb]

The response from the MP will be, you are within the stated times. Let me know if/when you surpass the 12 month mark and then MAYBE we can make a call and see what is going on.

Telling an applicant to call their MP when they are still well within the stated timelines; 12 months in this case; is really a fruitless endeavour. Even if you could manage to talk the MP into questioning, they would end up with the same answers that the applicant can procure from a phone call to CIC to ask. "Yes, we have your application. No, we don't know when it will be finished. You are still well within the processing time, we will contact you if any more information is required"

While I understand the desire to follow along with what is going on with everyone elses' application, it is not realistic to do that. Every application is different, every individual is different. It doesn't mean there is anything negative going on. All you can do while waiting for this is sit back, take a deep breath and express as much patience as you can.

Sneaky just suggested to contact the MP to see what may be wrong with the eligibility part, not to find out why the application isnt completed or why it isnt finish, i am not stupid, i wouldnt ask that until after Dec 21st 2017 which is the due date on the notes. I know my MP, she is very helpful.

 

[majesty]

Well there are 70 pages yes. Here is the email:


This is further to your request under the Access to Information Act, which was received on May 19, 2017, for the following records:

the electronic notes of the immigration or citizenship officer(s) for the family class immigration file and sponsorship file concerning (name removed)

The processing of your request is now complete. Please refer to the following for an explanation as to what was released:

Disposition of your records: Disclosed in part

Section(s) of the Act applied (if applicable): 15(1) The detection, prevention or suppression of subversive or hostile activities, 16(1)(c) injurious to the enforcement of any law of Canada or a province or the conduct of lawful investigations, 17 safety of individuals, 19(1) personal information

You received the following amount of pages (if applicable): 70

Further information about the Access to Information Act can be found at the following web page:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/a-1/

Please be advised that you are entitled to submit a complaint regarding the processing of your request to the Information Commissioner within sixty days of the receipt of this notice. The complaint form can be retrieved at: http://www.oic-ci.gc.ca/eng/lc-cj-logde-complaint-deposer-plainte.aspx

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us by email at ATIP-AIPRP@cic.gc.ca.

Sincerely,

ATIP Officer
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada

I'm just curious about the part where it says " ... you are entitled to submit a complaint regarding the processing of your request to the information Commissioner .... ". That is just regarding the processing of the notes right?

 

[spousalsponsee]

Dont quote me as saying "i dont like it"
I base my info on all the others from DR that has gone through the same process. I dont think u have anything more u can add
I was looking for help with reading the many notes i have received. The eligibility part for dom rep usually does not take this long to begin with,with being at least started and or pending, i was not out of line questionning it. Never i said i did not like it.

Thanks

So... you do like it? you really don't seem to.

You need to be patient. It's a long and stressful process. Everyone here understands that, but you ordered your notes very early, and were being given very bad advice. I have already told you what to look for in your notes since you decided to get them so early (any sign of the relationship assessment). The best thing you can do is try to calm down, wait, and relax. As I said earlier, other people might go through the process quicker, but you are well within normal processing times.