last attempt at getting NOC code clarification

[adtjindal]

I've tried asking a bunch of times whether my NOC code is acceptable or not but failed to get an answer.

i'm a business owner and entrepreneur. Partner in one firm and director in another. My duties match main duties such as deciding what kind of business to go after, negotiating with clients, representing to clients and other authorities, supervise/hire/train people, have final say on budgets, etc.

but both are small businesses like 10 people or less.

pleading for some clarity

 

[ladybug8888]

Hello,

I think people have problem to answer your doubts because you are not providing enough information. Could you please provide the NOC number, which you are thinking to apply with, is there any other NOC number that your are thinking about as well. Please list all your duties in both jobs and which NOC number you are trying to match to them.
In case of business owner this is self-employment, which I don't know the rules, so I probably won't be able to answer.
You need to remember that at least 70% of the duties need to match the NOC. Some NOC number have educational requirements as well. The titel itself is not as much important as duties and educational requirements.

 

[adtjindal]

hi Ladybug. i had actually posted detailed descriptions in a couple of posts which failed to get a resopnse. to summarize, i'm an entrepreneur of two small companies:
1. pvt ltd. company- providing business research to global companies
2. partnership- wholesale trade and government supplies.

earlier i had picked 0015 because of the strategic angle- i do everything from decide what business we should be in, which tender to bid on, how to market, how much to spend on assets/personnel/marketing, etc. i also represent my firm to government organizations (medium-large) and also to customers.

however, i'm getting the feeling 0015 is too much to handle, especailly for small companies (10 employees and under). i'm thinking of doing 0125 (for pvt ltd) and 0621 (for the trading company). the 'technical' description is more suited to my actual business and seems less 'challenging' if you know whati mean.

thanks in advance.

 

[farazafzal]

I've tried asking a bunch of times whether my NOC code is acceptable or not but failed to get an answer.

i'm a business owner and entrepreneur. Partner in one firm and director in another. My duties match main duties such as deciding what kind of business to go after, negotiating with clients, representing to clients and other authorities, supervise/hire/train people, have final say on budgets, etc.

but both are small businesses like 10 people or less.

pleading for some clarity

I would agree with @ladybug8888 that the information you have provided is not enough..
With the information in hand, I will advise you to follow the instructions I am going to give so as to simplify this situation. You could be a CEO and Procurement director as well as HR and Finance director in your own company, but you will have to choose one NOC whose major job responsibilities are at least 70% match of your duties.

You will also have to understand that CIC is not going to hire you or give you a job based on what you have done. So choosing NOC from skills 0, A or B is all same for getting your ITA and PR.
So what will you do: Choose an NOC with responsibilities matching your job responsibilities. Since you do many things, start modifying your job responsibilities so as to match at least 70 percent of the chosen NOC. You will then have fulfilled the requirements of CIC and that chosen NOC.

Think no more, and apply for EE and get your things done!

I hope I have answered your frustration
Good luck

 

[adtjindal]

thanks Faraz. in all three codes i have mentioned, i have main duties that match but how do i prove it?. i have client references but hwo would they know i did resource allocations in the company or acted as the financial controller? the same way, i can get my auditor/accountant to certify but he will not know what non-tax representations i did.

however, some online posts freaked me out that if my NOC code is not matching i will get thrown out. hence my level of fear/anxiety. plus i get the feeling that with a lower code like the one mentioned, it might be safer.

your thoughts?

 

[farazafzal]

thanks Faraz. in all three codes i have mentioned, i have main duties that match but how do i prove it?. i have client references but hwo would they know i did resource allocations in the company or acted as the financial controller? the same way, i can get my auditor/accountant to certify but he will not know what non-tax representations i did.

however, some online posts freaked me out that if my NOC code is not matching i will get thrown out. hence my level of fear/anxiety. plus i get the feeling that with a lower code like the one mentioned, it might be safer.

your thoughts?

Well, it is always safer to have an experience letter in hand, with NOC matching responsibilities. If I were you, I would again reduce my burden by choosing one place and one NOC where I can prove as many as 6 years of work experience. More than that is not going to give me any push and to me it is irrelevant. I would put everything else in my personal history while securing One NOC with matching job responsibilities.

 

[adtjindal]

Well, it is always safer to have an experience letter in hand, with NOC matching responsibilities. If I were you, I would again reduce my burden by choosing one place and one NOC where I can prove as many as 6 years of work experience. More than that is not going to give me any push and to me it is irrelevant. I would put everything else in my personal history while securing One NOC with matching job responsibilities.

If i could run and kiss you i would! YOU ARE A LIFE SAVER since it actually really helps me out. just two things if you could clarify

1. i have been involved with one company since 2006 (earning since 2008) but after 2015 it fell into decline. the NOC would be closely matched with client references. Only thing is i don't have any clients since the past 2 years, it's dormant since then. is that a problem? 2006 (or even 08-15) is well over 6 years

2. before my ITA I had listed in my work exp that i'm with the other company-it also shows up in my tax records. won't that be a problem now if i don't mention it?

 

[adtjindal]

hope to hear from you soon man.

 

[farazafzal]

If i could run and kiss you i would! YOU ARE A LIFE SAVER since it actually really helps me out. just two things if you could clarify

1. i have been involved with one company since 2006 (earning since 2008) but after 2015 it fell into decline. the NOC would be closely matched with client references. Only thing is i don't have any clients since the past 2 years, it's dormant since then. is that a problem? 2006 (or even 08-15) is well over 6 years

2. before my ITA I had listed in my work exp that i'm with the other company-it also shows up in my tax records. won't that be a problem now if i don't mention it?

1. ----------- I don't see any problem here. More than 6 years is not a problem at all. The company being dormant should not affect you either !!

2. -----------Well you will mention this in your letter of explanation. You gonna tell them that you have worked as CEO or AB in company which you have mentioned. But now you are switching over to the NOC of client references as you are choosing this as your primary occupation. You will explain this well in your letter why would you like to switch it.

I would ask you to please refer the same question to others before opting for it. I am sure what I have written is correct, but I am not feeling confident with this information , so please start a new thread, and explain it well for others opinion.

Good luck.. !

 

[adtjindal]

Faraz, I don't think I explained my question properly. Since the company was dormant, I had written pre ITA that it ended in 2015. I would ideally like to show only 2006-15 and no work history after that.

In other words, does a 2 years gap (let's say I was unemployed, uptil the time I applied), cause a problem?

 

[farazafzal]

Faraz, I don't think I explained my question properly. Since the company was dormant, I had written pre ITA that it ended in 2015. I would ideally like to show only 2006-15 and no work history after that.

In other words, does a 2 years gap (let's say I was unemployed, uptil the time I applied), cause a problem?

I don't think this is a problem!

There requirement is that you must have at least one year of a continuous full time skilled work experience (or part time for 2 years) before you are eligible to apply for express entry. The system does not segregate between the unemployed status before you apply or about the old experience. I have known some cases where people did a one year continuous job and then went for Masters degree of 2 years and later applied for Express entry. Your case seems to be inline with these cases because of a 2 year gap There seems no problem with this.

Good luck.. Did you change your plan of kissing me, or you are still determined to do that ! If you are planning so, we might do it in Canada.
Cheers !

 

[adtjindal]

bro you're a life saver. But i'm rethinking 'the kiss'.

 

[juanrezende]

Hi there!
I have a similar problem. I have a partnership in a company which represents importing companies, wineries, distributors and other kinds of business. Almost 100% of it's income is mediating sales between our clients ans restaurants, wholesale and retail stores, specialized stores, catering and other. I have only one dormant partner but he's still in the contract only because of bureaucracy requirements.
I'm currently working alone with my father. He only sells and I do the legal, management, accounting duties and selling as well.

The closest I think is code 0601 Corporate Sales Manager or the 6411 Sales representative, but 6411 doesn't administrate a whole company nor have all the responsibilities I do. I asked to other people and they think my job is more Management than simply selling, but this not matching NOC thing is making me crazy.

Could you please share some light over this?