DM comes from SYDNEY or OTTAWA

[SINP 2014 PNP]

HI FRIENDS I HAVE URGED WITH ONE OF MY FRIEND REGARDING :

DM comes from SYDNEY or OTTAWA

PLEASE ANSWER FOR ME

 

[Hamid khan]

HI FRIENDS I HAVE URGED WITH ONE OF MY FRIEND REGARDING :

DM comes from SYDNEY or OTTAWA

PLEASE ANSWER FOR ME

i try in cic website to get this answer but didn't find
i think no one in this forum have knowledge to answer this question

 

[saaz87]

Sydney. Ottawa is just the visa processing office which provides you with travel documents once decision is made.

 

[SpoonRaccoon]

HI FRIENDS I HAVE URGED WITH ONE OF MY FRIEND REGARDING :

DM comes from SYDNEY or OTTAWA

PLEASE ANSWER FOR ME

You need to understand what Sydney and Ottawa do. Sydney is the centralized intake office. Every single PNP application around the world goes to Sydney. Initially, Sydney checks the eligibility of the applicant which is basically your PNP nomination. If passed, then medicals are requested and eventually it's sent to a local consulate where they process and finish the application.

If the application is an inland application, Sydney will send the application to Ottawa. However, here is the frustration of many people and why people get PPR in 10 months and others in 20+ months. When Sydney checks the original nomination eligibility, everything else doesn't have to be checked or reviewed if it comes back blank. If your medical or PCC don't have any issues, then there's nothing to check for so in that moment Sydney can make the decision. If there's any issue and your application requires further reviewing, then it'll be sent to Ottawa for eligibility. Further reviewing = longer processing times. Once Ottawa reviews your case, Ottawa will make the decision and regardless of who makes the decision, Ottawa is responsible for visa stamping in Canada so PPR will always come from Ottawa.

So answering your question, DM comes from whoever is processing your application.


Reason for Ottawa to check eligibility:
criminal record or criminal convictions
medical record shows potential drowning in health or social systems
MoC(Marriage of Convenience)
divorce
adding or removing a dependent in the middle of the application
dependent(s) have visas denied
PA or dependent(s) have previously denied entry to Canada
PA or dependent(s) have served in the military


I hope this helps

 

[Hamid khan]

You need to understand what Sydney and Ottawa do. Sydney is the centralized intake office. Every single PNP application around the world goes to Sydney. Initially, Sydney checks the eligibility of the applicant which is basically your PNP nomination. If passed, then medicals are requested and eventually it's sent to a local consulate where they process and finish the application.

If the application is an inland application, Sydney will send the application to Ottawa. However, here is the frustration of many people and why people get PPR in 10 months and others in 20+ months. When Sydney checks the original nomination eligibility, everything else doesn't have to be checked or reviewed if it comes back blank. If your medical or PCC don't have any issues, then there's nothing to check for so in that moment Sydney can make the decision. If there's any issue and your application requires further reviewing, then it'll be sent to Ottawa for eligibility. Further reviewing = longer processing times. Once Ottawa reviews your case, Ottawa will make the decision and regardless of who makes the decision, Ottawa is responsible for visa stamping in Canada so PPR will always come from Ottawa.

So answering your question, DM comes from whoever is processing your application.


Reason for Ottawa to check eligibility:
criminal record or criminal convictions
medical record shows potential drowning in health or social systems
MoC(Marriage of Convenience)
divorce
adding or removing a dependent in the middle of the application
dependent(s) have visas denied
PA or dependent(s) have previously denied entry to Canada
PA or dependent(s) have served in the military


I hope this helps

Excellent explanation
But my friend there is lots of people in this forum write their timeline :
file transfer date before DM comes
Which means Ottawa can also give DM
If file transfer to Ottawa does it mean file has some problem
I don't agree with that

Any I don't have actual answer DM come from which office ?
So I may agree with you
Tho I m confused

 

[SINP 2014 PNP]

You need to understand what Sydney and Ottawa do. Sydney is the centralized intake office. Every single PNP application around the world goes to Sydney. Initially, Sydney checks the eligibility of the applicant which is basically your PNP nomination. If passed, then medicals are requested and eventually it's sent to a local consulate where they process and finish the application.

If the application is an inland application, Sydney will send the application to Ottawa. However, here is the frustration of many people and why people get PPR in 10 months and others in 20+ months. When Sydney checks the original nomination eligibility, everything else doesn't have to be checked or reviewed if it comes back blank. If your medical or PCC don't have any issues, then there's nothing to check for so in that moment Sydney can make the decision. If there's any issue and your application requires further reviewing, then it'll be sent to Ottawa for eligibility. Further reviewing = longer processing times. Once Ottawa reviews your case, Ottawa will make the decision and regardless of who makes the decision, Ottawa is responsible for visa stamping in Canada so PPR will always come from Ottawa.

So answering your question, DM comes from whoever is processing your application.


Reason for Ottawa to check eligibility:
criminal record or criminal convictions
medical record shows potential drowning in health or social systems
MoC(Marriage of Convenience)
divorce
adding or removing a dependent in the middle of the application
dependent(s) have visas denied
PA or dependent(s) have previously denied entry to Canada
PA or dependent(s) have served in the military


I hope this helps

i trust very good knowledge you have about PNP inland process.

let me tell you my two room mate story

they applied nov 2014
AOR and MR comes from Sydney around begging of may 2015

last week august 2015 they received an email from cic that file has been transferred to Ottawa

few week after ecas show IP
three weeks after DM
6 week after PPR

so the above case looks like their file has been processed by OTTAWA

but they don't any issue as you said:


Reason for Ottawa to check eligibility:
criminal record or criminal convictions
medical record shows potential drowning in health or social systems
MoC(Marriage of Convenience)
divorce
adding or removing a dependent in the middle of the application
dependent(s) have visas denied
PA or dependent(s) have previously denied entry to Canada
PA or dependent(s) have served in the military


SO NOW WHAT YOU WILL SAY STILL I THINK YOUR IDEA IS CORRECT

hope so you will reply with more example.

thanks

 

[SpoonRaccoon]

i trust very good knowledge you have about PNP inland process.

let me tell you my two room mate story

they applied nov 2014
AOR and MR comes from Sydney around begging of may 2015

last week august 2015 they received an email from cic that file has been transferred to Ottawa

few week after ecas show IP
three weeks after DM
6 week after PPR

so the above case looks like their file has been processed by OTTAWA

but they don't any issue as you said:


Reason for Ottawa to check eligibility:
criminal record or criminal convictions
medical record shows potential drowning in health or social systems
MoC(Marriage of Convenience)
divorce
adding or removing a dependent in the middle of the application
dependent(s) have visas denied
PA or dependent(s) have previously denied entry to Canada
PA or dependent(s) have served in the military


SO NOW WHAT YOU WILL SAY STILL I THINK YOUR IDEA IS CORRECT

hope so you will reply with more example.

thanks

Your time line doesn't make sense. Last week of August plus a few weeks plus 3 weeks plus 6 weeks = at least November and it's October.

Anyway, my knowledge is based on observation. So, ask your friend to request GCMS notes. Right now, they should be complete. When they transfer the application they tell you why it was transferred and there will be a note about it most of the time. Ie if possible MoC then there will a note by an officer saying whether or not it's MoC.
November 2014 applicants that got their application processed in Sydney got PPR in September 2015.

 

[Need Canadian Pr]

Your time line doesn't make sense. Last week of August plus a few weeks plus 3 weeks plus 6 weeks = at least November and it's October.

Anyway, my knowledge is based on observation. So, ask your friend to request GCMS notes. Right now, they should be complete. When they transfer the application they tell you why it was transferred and there will be a note about it most of the time. Ie if possible MoC then there will a note by an officer saying whether or not it's MoC.
November 2014 applicants that got their application processed in Sydney got PPR in September 2015.

i was reading your all post

and looks to me you are correct

my story is different

my wife refused two times open work permit from back home

i m september 2014 applicant no news yet just in process my file also recently transferred OTTAWA in recent GCMS notes shows.

i order three times GCMS note but in text 1: case officer didn't wrote a single word about my wife refusal

LETS SEE MY NOTES


APPLICATION: EPXXXXXXXX APPLICATION: PNP I have reviewed this application based upon the documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file and note the following. FOSS/GCMS check: - PA: No Adverse info. Principal applicant currently holds valid status in Canada. Status until: XXXXXX. - Spouse/CL: No adverse info. Spouse/Common Law does not hold valid status in Canada. RPRF: paid. CIVIL STATUS: PA married – SPOUSE is accompany – Marriage certificate is on file- PA copy of passport on file: Yes. – PA completed schedule A: On file. – Spouse/CL copy of passport on file: Yes. – Spouse/CL completed schedule A: on file. WORK EXPERIENCE: - Providence of Nomination: Saskatchewan. – Province matches current residence: Yes. – Nomination validity: Original. – Case type: Economic Case. Schedule 4 on file: Yes. MEDICAL: Valid results in GCMS for ALL APPLICANTS PA: - Current medical status: Passed. Valid until: - XXXXX. Spouse/Common Law: Current medical status: Passed. Valid until XXXX. CRIMINALITY: PA RCMP Screening: No Reportable trace. – Police certificate: XXXXX: No reportable trace. Police reports/Court records: On file. Spouse/Common Law: - Police certificate: Bangladesh: No reportable trace. Police reports/Court records: On file. Criminality decision taken. ADDITIONAL NOTES: - AUTH PAID REP ON FILE – XXXXX REFERRED TO PS FOR REVIEW

 

[sandra001]

i was reading your all post

and looks to me you are correct

my story is different

my wife refused two times open work permit from back home

i m september 2014 applicant no news yet just in process my file also recently transferred OTTAWA in recent GCMS notes shows.

i order three times GCMS note but in text 1: case officer didn't wrote a single word about my wife refusal

LETS SEE MY NOTES


APPLICATION: EPXXXXXXXX APPLICATION: PNP I have reviewed this application based upon the documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file and note the following. FOSS/GCMS check: - PA: No Adverse info. Principal applicant currently holds valid status in Canada. Status until: XXXXXX. - Spouse/CL: No adverse info. Spouse/Common Law does not hold valid status in Canada. RPRF: paid. CIVIL STATUS: PA married – SPOUSE is accompany – Marriage certificate is on file- PA copy of passport on file: Yes. – PA completed schedule A: On file. – Spouse/CL copy of passport on file: Yes. – Spouse/CL completed schedule A: on file. WORK EXPERIENCE: - Providence of Nomination: Saskatchewan. – Province matches current residence: Yes. – Nomination validity: Original. – Case type: Economic Case. Schedule 4 on file: Yes. MEDICAL: Valid results in GCMS for ALL APPLICANTS PA: - Current medical status: Passed. Valid until: - XXXXX. Spouse/Common Law: Current medical status: Passed. Valid until XXXX. CRIMINALITY: PA RCMP Screening: No Reportable trace. – Police certificate: XXXXX: No reportable trace. Police reports/Court records: On file. Spouse/Common Law: - Police certificate: Bangladesh: No reportable trace. Police reports/Court records: On file. Criminality decision taken. ADDITIONAL NOTES: - AUTH PAID REP ON FILE – XXXXX REFERRED TO PS FOR REVIEW

And what is your timeline?

 

[Hamid khan]

i was reading your all post

and looks to me you are correct

my story is different

my wife refused two times open work permit from back home

i m september 2014 applicant no news yet just in process my file also recently transferred OTTAWA in recent GCMS notes shows.

i order three times GCMS note but in text 1: case officer didn't wrote a single word about my wife refusal

LETS SEE MY NOTES


APPLICATION: EPXXXXXXXX APPLICATION: PNP I have reviewed this application based upon the documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file and note the following. FOSS/GCMS check: - PA: No Adverse info. Principal applicant currently holds valid status in Canada. Status until: XXXXXX. - Spouse/CL: No adverse info. Spouse/Common Law does not hold valid status in Canada. RPRF: paid. CIVIL STATUS: PA married – SPOUSE is accompany – Marriage certificate is on file- PA copy of passport on file: Yes. – PA completed schedule A: On file. – Spouse/CL copy of passport on file: Yes. – Spouse/CL completed schedule A: on file. WORK EXPERIENCE: - Providence of Nomination: Saskatchewan. – Province matches current residence: Yes. – Nomination validity: Original. – Case type: Economic Case. Schedule 4 on file: Yes. MEDICAL: Valid results in GCMS for ALL APPLICANTS PA: - Current medical status: Passed. Valid until: - XXXXX. Spouse/Common Law: Current medical status: Passed. Valid until XXXX. CRIMINALITY: PA RCMP Screening: No Reportable trace. – Police certificate: XXXXX: No reportable trace. Police reports/Court records: On file. Spouse/Common Law: - Police certificate: Bangladesh: No reportable trace. Police reports/Court records: On file. Criminality decision taken. ADDITIONAL NOTES: - AUTH PAID REP ON FILE – XXXXX REFERRED TO PS FOR REVIEW

Yes I was looking this post
Now ATT : spoonR
Tell me why need Canada pr has been transferred to OTTAWA
In GCMS note no concern from case officer

Notes looks officer happy then why send to Ottawa
It means DM can also come Ottawa without any of any file

Hope so you will understand

 

[SpoonRaccoon]

Yes I was looking this post
Now ATT : spoonR
Tell me why need Canada pr has been transferred to OTTAWA
In GCMS note no concern from case officer

Notes looks officer happy then why send to Ottawa
It means DM can also come Ottawa without any of any file

Hope so you will understand

As I mentioned, DM comes from whoever processes your application. If Sydney processes it, it'll come from Sydney. If it comes from Ottawa, it means the application was processed in Ottawa.

In this case, he mentioned his wife had a visa refused. When this happens, Ottawa needs to review the reasons why this visa was refused. The reason for this is because if any of your dependents aren't eligible, that will make you ineligible to get PR. Having a visa denied means you aren't eligible to enter or stay in Canada. So, Ottawa reviews the reasons and compares them against the PR application. Most of the time for PNP applications, it's the spouse that got a visitor or open work permit denied what causes this. If the reasons why the temporary visa was denied doesn't affect the PR, the application will resume.

 

[Hamid khan]

As I mentioned, DM comes from whoever processes your application. If Sydney processes it, it'll come from Sydney. If it comes from Ottawa, it means the application was processed in Ottawa.

In this case, he mentioned his wife had a visa refused. When this happens, Ottawa needs to review the reasons why this visa was refused. The reason for this is because if any of your dependents aren't eligible, that will make you ineligible to get PR. Having a visa denied means you aren't eligible to enter or stay in Canada. So, Ottawa reviews the reasons and compares them against the PR application. Most of the time for PNP applications, it's the spouse that got a visitor or open work permit denied what causes this. If the reasons why the temporary visa was denied doesn't affect the PR, the application will resume.

Come to your point my friend
See his text from visa officer in GCMS note, visa officer not concern about his wife refusal
Then why his file transferred to Ottawa

My understanding if Sydney has more overload work then they Sydney send some file to Ottawa

 

[SpoonRaccoon]

Come to your point my friend
See his text from visa officer in GCMS note, visa officer not concern about his wife refusal
Then why his file transferred to Ottawa

My understanding if Sydney has more overload work then they Sydney send some file to Ottawa

You don't see all the notes. There is a note, in the history of the application, that shows reason for transfer: eligibility.

They don't explicitly say "under code 123 and law 456, the visa denied is a concern."
It's a protocol. I provided the list of scenarios when this happens. There might be more but the list I provided is what I've seen.

Also, having your application transferred to Ottawa doesn't mean it'll be denied. It just means further reviewing and that Sydney never does. It's never transferred because Sydney has a workload too high. Look for the reason of the transfer. If it's "eligibility," then it's probably because the case has something I mentioned such as a dependent having a visa denied.

At the end, all applications are transferred to Ottawa since they are responsible for PPR. If you get PPR in less than 12 months, your application was processed in Sydney. If it's been more than a year and you don't have PPR, your application was transferred to Ottawa waiting to be reviewed because it needs further checking. The transfer is most likely t check eligibility. This is what happens the majority of the time but it might not be every single time. If there's a different case, I welcome you to post it with details. As I said, the list I posted is what I've observed and it doesn't mean it's the full list of why applications are sent to Ottawa to check eligibility.

 

[Hamid khan]

You don't see all the notes. There is a note, in the history of the application, that shows reason for transfer: eligibility.

They don't explicitly say "under code 123 and law 456, the visa denied is a concern."
It's a protocol. I provided the list of scenarios when this happens. There might be more but the list I provided is what I've seen.

Also, having your application transferred to Ottawa doesn't mean it'll be denied. It just means further reviewing and that Sydney never does. It's never transferred because Sydney has a workload too high. Look for the reason of the transfer. If it's "eligibility," then it's probably because the case has something I mentioned such as a dependent having a visa denied.

At the end, all applications are transferred to Ottawa since they are responsible for PPR. If you get PPR in less than 12 months, your application was processed in Sydney. If it's been more than a year and you don't have PPR, your application was transferred to Ottawa waiting to be reviewed because it needs further checking. The transfer is most likely t check eligibility. This is what happens the majority of the time but it might not be every single time. If there's a different case, I welcome you to post it with details. As I said, the list I posted is what I've observed and it doesn't mean it's the full list of why applications are sent to Ottawa to check eligibility.

Thanks bro for your reply
Yes I talked to one lawyer he also said same thing as you said
So I m fully agree with you now .

I have one question :

In my GCMS note :

Eligibility assessment part says

Type : eligibility EC-QC/PNP
Version : 2010-06
Status : Review required
Due date : 2016/02/20


What does it mean

 

[SpoonRaccoon]

Thanks bro for your reply
Yes I talked to one lawyer he also said same thing as you said
So I m fully agree with you now .

I have one question :

In my GCMS note :

Eligibility assessment part says

Type : eligibility EC-QC/PNP
Version : 2010-06
Status : Review required
Due date : 2016/02/20


What does it mean

it means what I've been mentioning. It was transferred to Ottawa to review eligibility. Your case probably has something in the list I mentioned.

Type means what it is. In this case eligibility of EConomic class or QC(Quebec) under PNP
Version is Jun 2010. They will check if you meet the requirements they have from the rules in Jun 2010
Status is the status of it. It can be not started, passed, etc. Yours needs to be reviewed
Due date is the expected date for this to happen. Feb 20 2016.

My due date was set to Oct 18 2015 and that was a Sunday. I got PPR on Oct 15. So you might get PPR around Feb 2016.