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arambi

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Decius,
Great to see that you started this tread. CIC should be flooded with Mandamus.
If those who have gone through this process can share their redacted documents, that will be very helpful.
Anyway, I will not pay a lawyer a penny for a mandamus, even though I risk getting my case rejected by a judge. For a limited filing fee, I will take the risk.
Fellow forum members, please any document or practical advise you have on mandamus.
In USA, I read someone self represent in mandamus case and won... We can be the 1st in Canada
 

Decius

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Yes, that is precisely my mentality Arambi. To be able to take matters into ones own hands. I will continue researching and posting information as I find it. I would appreciate it if anyone who has further information about the process shared their knowledge as well.

I don't blame lawyers, mind you - they get paid to do their job. If it takes time, they should be paid. The point is you should not need a lawyer to have your file processed in a reasonable fashion. I hope to minimize that reliance for all those concerned.
 

arambi

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Decius said:
Yes, that is precisely my mentality Arambi. To be able to take matters into ones own hands. I will continue researching and posting information as I find it. I would appreciate it if anyone who has further information about the process shared their knowledge as well.

I don't blame lawyers, mind you - they get paid to do their job. If it takes time, they should be paid. The point is you should not need a lawyer to have your file processed in a reasonable fashion. I hope to minimize that reliance for all those concerned.
I will keep searching on my end and post anything I found.
I did successfully represent myself in a case of misrepresentation before the court of Immigration And Refugees Board. The judge and the CIC lawyer kept asking when I'm going to get a lawyer.... My response was always I don't need one... After a lot back and forth, the judge dismissed the case... Thanks heaven I made the decision to not pay a lawyer
I know mandamus is a bigger undertaking... But if I ever need it, I will definitively try to give it shot through self-representation.

Good luck my friend
 

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I think that the biggest problem is that CIC doesn't say anywhere what is the deadline time frame in which they have to proceed an application.

All the timeframes they give are just statistical information.

They don't say in what time they are obliged to finish processing an application.

I am also disgusted how the CIC is treating the people.
 

Decius

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Here is an example of an Application for Judicial Review in Ontario - it is not related to citizenship, but clearly outlines that filing the application for Judicial Review is not an overly complicated thing - it is only a few pages long and outlines the points quite literally.

falconers.ca/documents/noticeofApplicationforJudicialReviewissuedMay22014.pdf

This isn't to say the whole process won't involve a lot more - but it's a good start.
 

Decius

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Another Application - again, short and reasonably precise:

burchells.ca/practiceareas/documents/NoticeofApplicationforJudicialReview.pdf
 

Decius

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It appears when you file a Notice of Application for Judicial Review, you are seeking one of three remedies - Certiorari, Habeas Corpus, Mandamus.

We are interested in Mandamus because this basically is requesting the judicial body to force the governmental body to act. Therefore, you will be filing a:

"Notice of Application for Judicial Review" and will seek a "writ of mandamus" within your application.
 

Decius

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Notice of Application for Judicial Review

The document which originates the proceeding is the Notice of Application for Judicial
Review. It is important not to under-appreciate the usefulness of a good Notice of
Application. The Notice of Application can be best described as a blueprint of everything
else to follow and, if drafted well, can act as the first draft of your factum, without the need
to cite cases or paragraphs, but rather a draft in which you can boldly state legal principles
and facts.

The Notice for Application is divided into three main areas: relief requested, grounds for
requesting such relief and documentary evidence to be relied upon. We have found it useful
to draft the “relief requested” section first, followed by the documentary evidence section,
as these should be quite straightforward. When drafting the section on the grounds on
which you will rely , the idea is to run through the story you wish to tell, including the legal
principles, but not the cases you will rely on, and to outline the facts, but not to cite the
supporting documentary evidence. This section will allow you to provide a cursory
overview of the facts on which you intend to rely.

It bears repeating that, while everyone knows that the crown jewels in a judicial review
application are the factum and the oral presentation, a well-drafted Notice of Application
will allow you to use the grounds and factual allegations cited to ensure that your affidavits
cover all the necessary evidence and/or refer to all the necessary documents. In addition,
you can use the arguments listed in your Notice of Application to ensure that you have
mentioned all the necessary facts to allow the court to come to the conclusion(s) you are
asking them to arrive at.

When you have the Notice of Application drafted, it would be useful to have a senior lawyer
(if you have access to a senior lawyer with experience in judicial review applications)
review your Notice to ensure that you have covered all the necessary areas, such as
ensuring that all necessary facts are mentioned to lead to the desired conclusion and
whether any of the arguments require additional facts to be included.26

Affidavits

Once the Notice of Application is drafted, it is time to move on to drafting the necessary
affidavits. In most cases, the affidavits will just identify the documentary evidence you
intend to rely on because you are, generally, not including additional or new facts. Unless
counsel chooses to file a motion requesting leave to file fresh evidence (and is successful on
this motion), the court will not hear new evidence on a judicial review. This, of course, does
not mean that the court will not consider evidence related to alleged violations of
procedural fairness which occurred during the initial proceedings, but it does mean that
neither the applicant nor the respondent will be permitted to bring evidence which was not
relied on in the initial proceedings to the attention of the reviewing judge or judges, except
with leave in narrow circumstances.

Affidavits are beneficial documents to include in either an application or a response. They
serve the very important function of explaining to the Court why the present matter is in
front of it. Affidavits are also the way to ensure that relevant documents are in front of the
court and to explain the significance of a document in a manner which supports the
position of either the applicant or the respondent, as the case may be.

Not only it is useful to have your client swear an affidavit enclosing key documents and
outlining their significance, it is also often useful to have the individual acting as counsel in
the original tribunal hearing swear an affidavit. In his or her affidavit, counsel may wish to
outline the history of the proceedings, including when the hearing was held, what, if any
interim decisions were made, and generally how the proceeding progressed. This affidavit
is also the place in which to describe any violations of procedural justice which you wish to
allege took place during the proceedings.

The affidavits used should be detailed enough to make it clear why the affidavit is included
in the applicant’s (or respondent’s) record. However, generally speaking, less is more,
again, when it comes to affidavits. The factum is the more appropriate vehicle to lay out
your client’s position in full.
As a practical matter, you need to ensure that you have adequate time to have your
affidavits sworn. It is beneficial to plan on having your affidavits sworn a few days before
they are due, in order to protect against any unforeseen delays.
 

dpenabill

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Some Observations Regarding Pursuit of Mandamus Without a Lawyer:

Technically, yes of course an individual can apply for Mandamus pro se.

If you need to look up "pro se" to be sure what this means, however, you almost certainly need a lawyer. Even if you do know a fair amount of legalese-Latin, though, I emphatically concur in the cautions expressed by jhjeppe.

An application for a Writ of Mandamus is, by definition, an extraordinary remedy. It is not a routine application for judicial review. A lawyer here I know told me, back when he was clerking for the Court, that a huge percentage of applications for review submitted to the Federal Court, by lawyers, fail for technical reasons, no chance for the merits of the case to ever be heard because the procedural requirements are complicated enough that even lawyers have difficulty getting it right. And that is about applications for ordinary review. But, again, the application for a Writ of Mandamus is an extraordinary process.

Oh sure, almost anyone can complete a form, pay a filing fee, file the form and do the other procedural steps to commence the legal process. And soon find their case dismissed for a technicality. And all that money saved by not hiring a lawyer, hopefully you still have it, because the Federal Court may require you to pay the Minister's costs. Problem is, a lawyer for you probably could have come a lot cheaper than what the Minister's legal costs are, meaning it could end up costing you a lot, a lot more than what hiring a lawyer would have cost.

I do not disagree with the proposition that qualified citizenship applicants should not need to pay for a lawyer to get their application processed in a reasonable time (let alone take the risk of having to pay the Minister's legal costs). Indeed, CIC should process all applications, even those made by the unqualified, within a reasonable time. That it should be so, though, does not make it so. And this is particularly true in regards to pursuing a Mandamus application without competent legal counsel.

All that said, sure, of course some individuals may very well be savvy about legal process, capable of doing the homework, including a lot of legal research, competent in recognizing the necessary steps that must be taken before an application for Mandamus can be legitimately made (at minimum, a proper request for the Minister to do a legally mandated act must be made and denied), identifying what the relevant issues and factors are in establishing grounds for the particular relief being requested, and being able to properly identify and request what recourse or remedy is available and appropriate (including properly framing the prayer or request for that remedy). And this is one area of legal process in which technicalities loom large. Miss a requisite, for example, the court does not return the application as incomplete and give you an opportunity to resubmit it; the Minister will, instead, make the motion to have the application dismissed and probably ask for costs, and the Federal Court will dismiss it, with a significant risk the court will indeed order the party bringing the flawed application to pay the Minister's costs.

Sure, if one application gets dismissed, you can file another. If it is not perfect, including establishing the grounds for the relief requested, the risk of having to pay the Minister's costs in the second application increase dramatically.

And, to be clear, mere delay, regardless of the length of the delay, does not constitute grounds for Mandamus. If that's the basis of the application, you lose, you lose at the risk of being ordered to pay the Minister's costs. (And if you do not understand why I say this, pursuing a Writ of Mandamus pro se is definitely out of your league.)

It warrants noting that there are many reports indicating reluctance among more than a few lawyers to take a citizenship mandamus case. Lawyers do not casually turn away clients or their money. There is usually a reason there is reluctance to take on a Mandamus case relative to this or that applicant. And the absence of a good case is probably the most common reason.

I do not mean to discourage pursuing recourse for excessive delays. In particular, there are some individuals for whom a Mandamus application is very much appropriate, perhaps overdue. But make no mistake, it's a big league venue. It is not like applying for a job and not getting it. It is not like making a small claims case and the judge tries to figure out what's the best outcome based on basic principles justice and fair play, with a less than technical application of law.

I do mean, however, to discourage the encouraging of others to pursue applications for Mandamus pro se. It is bad advice, at best. And ultimately, most applications are now on track to move to the next step, if not totally resolved, in the somewhat near future, which would of course eliminate the basis for a Mandamus application, rendering it moot. Anyone may, such as Decius seems inclined, attempt to pursue a Writ of Mandamus without a lawyer. But any suggestion, let alone explicit advice to others, that they too should pursue Mandamus without a lawyer, should be summarily dismissed (at the least as reckless).

In other words: If it seems like time to take legal action to compel CIC to act on a case, see a lawyer first -- last I knew, consultations, real consultations, tend to cost $300 to $500. The more homework and research the applicant does before going to the lawyer, and the better organized the applicant is when taking documentation to the lawyer, the more bang for the buck the applicant can get in a consultation. Skip the free consultations, especially for something this complicated, something this factually driven relative to the particular individual's case.
 

Decius

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As per:

cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/fct-cf/pdf/judicial_review_e.pdf

The form for an application for Judicial Review is Form 301:

cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/portal/page/portal/fc_cf_en/Forms/form_301_e.rtf

Which is in line with the previous examples I posted.
 

Decius

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If anyone has filed a mandamus, with or without a lawyer, they are bound to have access to their completed Form 301.

As I am finding it difficult to find an example specific to a writ of mandamus directed at the minister of CIC, I urge you to post it here so others can benefit from the basic syntax used.
 

bambino

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Please also keep in mind that under the new provisions of the Citizenship Act already in place, you have to clear one more hurdle, applying for leave. Basically, a judge will have to say yes, this person has an arguable case. If you are successful at that stage (and it's hard even when represented by a lawyer to convince the court you actually have a case worthy of an actual hearing), you are looking at several months before you get your day in court and even longer to have a decision.

Most lawyers I know charge around $300 per hour. I honestly doubt anyone would be able to give you any meaningful advice and assistance in preparing an application for a few hundred.

Also, a properly prepared and argued application in Federal Court costs a lot of money (five figures and more). I have seen people quote prices in the $3,000 to $5,000 range. I have to think that these applications are for the most part "canned", one-size-fits-all submissions whereby the lawyer doesn't do a lot more that fill in the blanks in one of his precedents. For some applicants, that might do the trick because their cases may be suitable for such a course of action. For others, it may be a total waste of time and money.

Lately, however, it seems that for anyone to have any chance of success obtaining leave and getting a good result from a hearing would require a more than just a generic application.

It used to be that CIC got an application moving if someone applied for Mandamus. I am not sure if they would do the same now. I suspect they would wait until and IF leave is granted, which can take up to 4 months.

The system is slow enough, but the new changes to the Citizenship Act have effectively made it impossible for applicants to seek redress from the courts. Which is a damned shame...
 

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By the way, you can go to the Federal Court Registry in your city (assuming you live in a major one) and they can give you copies of any filed document. All you need to do is find the court file number of a case similar to yours and they will pull it up. Depending on how busy they are, they may even search keywords (mandamus, etc.) and get documents that were recently filed. I think it's 40 cents per page, the fee they charge.
 

Decius

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Wow, thanks Bambino. As I am currently on a trip, if anyone would be willing to do this and post some of those scans up here, that would be fantastic.
 

janoo

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Hi decius

am looking for your advise. I applied for canada citizenship in January 2012

and receive resident questionnaire in March 2013 and replied with load of documents

in April 2013 since that time no news am 61 years old and have complete family

wife and 4 childrens are canadian since 2003 and own the home since I landed

purpose of my rq is background of middle east conuntry resident and withdraw

my application earlier due to my mother health condition.

await to hear from you with sound advise.

I have done to date order several time atip report.
contacted several time my MP, wrote to Minister, apply for case management
and CIC call centre sent a message to st.clair office ,
no news yet.. my case pending since Jan. 2012 almost 39 months.

await to hear from u.