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SuperMarco

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You keep mentioning the embassy. You do not apply for anything through the embassy. If you want to apply for a PRTD under H&C, then you submit an application online or complete all of the paperwork and submit to your nearest VAC. You will need to include supporting evidence if you want to apply under H&C. Follow the instructions here. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-5529-applying-permanent-resident-travel-document.html

You still need to renounce PR if you want to apply for PR from scratch under Express Entry or another program. Only your PR card has expired, you still have PR status (although you are out of compliance with RO).

If you don't understand the 67 points, you need to do substantially more research to understand how the programs work. No, immigration restrictions are not the only reason it is harder. It is also harder due to the volume of people applying.

You are confused about a lot of things. Suggest you hire an immigration lawyer to help you.
Sorry but the link is for travel document not H&C, i may be confused.
 

scylla

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Sure, let me see about that possibilty. I read in your link this "You only want to visit Canada and you know you have not met the residency obligations because you have been outside of Canada for a long period of time and You don’t want to wait for a visa officer to assess whether or not you are still a permanent resident of Canada" => i believe that if i want an agent to assess my case, i need to go to embassy.
The embassy plays absolutely no role in assessing your case.
 

scylla

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Sorry but the link is for travel document not H&C, i may be confused.
You apply for the PRTD with H&C considerations. Please hire a lawyer to help you through the process.
 

SuperMarco

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You apply for the PRTD with H&C considerations. Please hire a lawyer to help you through the process.
I agree if you have some names. What i understand from your comment is to apply to H&C with proof during my application to PRTD. Then I wait in abroad and if my H&C is approved, i receive the PRTD and go to canada to apply for a second PR card. Thanks a lot.
 
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scylla

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AOR Received.
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File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
I agree if you have some names. What i understand from your comment is to apply to H&C with proof during my application to PRTD. Then I wait in abroad and if my H&C is approved, i receive the PRTD and go to canada to apply for a second PR card. Thanks a lot.
Yes, correct.[/QUOTE]
 
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scylla

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Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010

canuck78

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I agree if you have some names. What i understand from your comment is to apply to H&C with proof during my application to PRTD. Then I wait in abroad and if my H&C is approved, i receive the PRTD and go to canada to apply for a second PR card. Thanks a lot.
If your family member is still ill are you prepared to move back to Canada permanently? You will still need to meet your RO if you are approved for PRTD via H&C and are able to get a new PR card. Depending on when you left Canada you may need to remain in Canada for 730 days because you still need to meet the 730 days within the last 5 years requirement.
 

YVR123

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-Renounce PR? i dont think so because my card expire one year ago so i don't see anythink about renouncing,, it's already over.
Your PR card expired. It means that your PR card expired. It has NOTHING to do with your PR status.

If you can travel to US, you could return through the US land border with an expired PR card.
But you could still be reported if you do not meet RO.

You should look into applying for PRTD (stands for PR travel document) with H&C reasons and try to see if you will be able to get PRTD and travel back to Canada.
 
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SuperMarco

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Hello, many thanks for all your good advice; really appreciated.
What i understand for your advice:
- apply H&C through PRTD and wait abroad.
- if positive: i get an authorisation to travel back to Can and receive their the new PR card (I ve heard that H&C is very very difficult to succeed...)
- if negative: my PR status is canceled, i will need to apply to EntryExpress (given that losing status is never a good point)
- alternative: renounce to my PR status then re-apply to EntreyExpress.
I must choose.
 

scylla

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Jun 8, 2010
97,458
23,234
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Hello, many thanks for all your good advice; really appreciated.
What i understand for your advice:
- apply H&C through PRTD and wait abroad.
- if positive: i get an authorisation to travel back to Can and receive their the new PR card (I ve heard that H&C is very very difficult to succeed...)
- if negative: my PR status is canceled, i will need to apply to EntryExpress (given that losing status is never a good point)
- alternative: renounce to my PR status then re-apply to EntreyExpress.
I must choose.
Yes, this is essentially correct.

The one last option is to fly to the US and re-enter Canada through a land border using a private vehicle and hope you are not reported for failing to meet RO. If you are not reported, you then remain in Canada without leaving until you meet RO and then apply to renew your PR card.
 
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SuperMarco

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Yes, this is essentially correct.
Excellent response. Some questions please.
"hope you are not reported for failing to meet RO" => ok so if i understand, I go to US as a tourist, I take a private car to cross the border and if the agent refuse my entry, i go back to US and to my country. It s a bet.
 

SuperMarco

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Yes, this is essentially correct.

The one last option is to fly to the US and re-enter Canada through a land border using a private vehicle and hope you are not reported for failing to meet RO. If you are not reported, you then remain in Canada without leaving until you meet RO and then apply to renew your PR card.
What I conclude is that i should try first the options of renewing (crossing the border, or PRTD), then if rejected EntryExpress.
 

armoured

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Excellent response. Some questions please.
"hope you are not reported for failing to meet RO" => ok so if i understand, I go to US as a tourist, I take a private car to cross the border and if the agent refuse my entry, i go back to US and to my country. It s a bet.
The agent cannot refuse your entry. But they can write up a report on you not meeting your residency obligation (a 44(1) report) which starts the process of revoking your PR status - subject to your appeal. You can remain in Canada as a PR while you appeal - assuming you choose to do so - if you don't, the revocation takes effect in 30 or 60 days (I forget). No-one can say if your chances on appeal are good or not.

But sometimes they are more lenient at the border and let you in with a warning/note to file.

We can say that generally chances of leniency at the border are higher than applying for PRTD.

One note: if you are let in, your status is complicated - still a PR but without a valid PR card, and you shouldn't travel or attempt to sponsor spouse/family. (Simplifying quite a bit). This can cause complications and for some, the inability to travel is a problem.
 
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SuperMarco

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The agent cannot refuse your entry. But they can write up a report on you not meeting your residency obligation (a 44(1) report) which starts the process of revoking your PR status - subject to your appeal. You can remain in Canada as a PR while you appeal - assuming you choose to do so - if you don't, the revocation takes effect in 30 or 60 days (I forget). No-one can say if your chances on appeal are good or not.

But sometimes they are more lenient at the border and let you in with a warning/note to file.

We can say that generally chances of leniency at the border are higher than applying for PRTD.

One note: if you are let in, your status is complicated - still a PR but without a valid PR card, and you shouldn't travel or attempt to sponsor spouse/family. (Simplifying quite a bit). This can cause complications and for some, the inability to travel is a problem.
Excellent remark. Sure inability to travel is a problem to see family abroad. This option is a bet on chance. If i enter and got revocation order, i prefer to go back and not do an appeal and i wonder if revocation order is a bad point for future application.