Non-Express Entry(PNP) Online Applications Gather here

[Grace Found Me]

Hi, My situation is My WP-Ext Got refused and I have applied my PR through Non-Express PNP On Aug 22, 2024. Didn’t get AOR yet
Now since I got refused I lost the job right away and now how should I move forward financially.
Since I have a dependent with me.
how do I financially survive and How long do I have to wait?
Please someone guide me here
Thanks

Hi,
Did you apply for a closed work permit? Have you requested for the GCMS Note?

 

[AndresReyesDev]

Hi @Miss bee , regarding the same, does this 18 to 24 months timeframe apply only for new Non EE or for those of us who have been processing for more than 9 months? I am wondering because there is a confusion regarding this, what the IRCC Call Center, MPs and Processing time website says.

On the website it says that it is X amount of months from when IRCC receives the complete file (AR date). When I sent it, it said 10 months. Today it says 20. My 10 months will be February 14. If I call the call center, they tell me that my time, independent of the months that I said when I sent the file, is the one I have now. I mention to them what the web says and they tell me that I am wrong. Is this the case?

You’re re absolutely correct in outlining the key differences between the PNP through Express Entry (EE) and PNP Non-Express Entry (Non-EE) processes. Let me clarify the timelines and steps for both scenarios in detail:


1. PNP Through Express Entry (EE)
Step 1: Nomination
After being nominated by a province/territory through an EE-aligned stream, you receive 600 additional Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points.
This nomination is valid for 6 months.

Step 2: Invitation to Apply (ITA)
Once you receive the nomination, you must wait for the next Express Entry draw. With 600 extra points, you are almost guaranteed an ITA.
After receiving the ITA, you have 60 days to submit your PR application through the Express Entry portal.
2. PNP Non-Express Entry (Non-EE)
Step 1: Nomination
After being nominated under a non-EE stream (e.g., OINP International Student Job Offer), you receive a nomination certificate valid for 6 months.
Step 2: PR Application
Unlike EE streams, there is no need to wait for a draw or receive an ITA. Instead, you can submit your PR application directly to IRCC.
You have 6 months from the nomination issuance date to submit your paper-based PR application or online application (for some programs that have transitioned to online systems).
Key Differences Between EE and Non-EE

Aspect	PNP through Express Entry (EE)	PNP Non-Express Entry (Non-EE)
Nomination Validity	6 months	6 months
ITA Required?	Yes, must wait for ITA	No, can apply directly
PR Application Timeframe	60 days after ITA	Up to 6 months after nomination
Processing Time	Typically faster (6-8 months)	Slower (18-24 months)

Conclusion
For PNP Non-EE, you have 6 months from the nomination date to submit your PR application without needing an ITA or waiting for a draw.

For PNP through EE, your timeline is shorter after the ITA, as you only have 60 days to apply once invited.

 

[happym33]

Hi,
My WP-Ext got refused and I have applied (Aug 22,2024) Non-Express Manitoba PNP.
My concern is as per Timeline it says aprox. 20 months
so Without job how can I afford to live for that long time period without any income plus I have dependent also out of status.
Please share your thoughts and Guide me here
Thanks

 

[levineluiz]

You’re re absolutely correct in outlining the key differences between the PNP through Express Entry (EE) and PNP Non-Express Entry (Non-EE) processes. Let me clarify the timelines and steps for both scenarios in detail:


1. PNP Through Express Entry (EE)
Step 1: Nomination
After being nominated by a province/territory through an EE-aligned stream, you receive 600 additional Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points.
This nomination is valid for 6 months.

Step 2: Invitation to Apply (ITA)
Once you receive the nomination, you must wait for the next Express Entry draw. With 600 extra points, you are almost guaranteed an ITA.
After receiving the ITA, you have 60 days to submit your PR application through the Express Entry portal.
2. PNP Non-Express Entry (Non-EE)
Step 1: Nomination
After being nominated under a non-EE stream (e.g., OINP International Student Job Offer), you receive a nomination certificate valid for 6 months.
Step 2: PR Application
Unlike EE streams, there is no need to wait for a draw or receive an ITA. Instead, you can submit your PR application directly to IRCC.
You have 6 months from the nomination issuance date to submit your paper-based PR application or online application (for some programs that have transitioned to online systems).
Key Differences Between EE and Non-EE

Aspect	PNP through Express Entry (EE)	PNP Non-Express Entry (Non-EE)
Nomination Validity	6 months	6 months
ITA Required?	Yes, must wait for ITA	No, can apply directly
PR Application Timeframe	60 days after ITA	Up to 6 months after nomination
Processing Time	Typically faster (6-8 months)	Slower (18-24 months)

Conclusion
For PNP Non-EE, you have 6 months from the nomination date to submit your PR application without needing an ITA or waiting for a draw.

For PNP through EE, your timeline is shorter after the ITA, as you only have 60 days to apply once invited.

Thank you so much. for your generosity.You are absolutely amazing.

 

[Miss bee]

Hi @Miss bee , regarding the same, does this 18 to 24 months timeframe apply only for new Non EE or for those of us who have been processing for more than 9 months? I am wondering because there is a confusion regarding this, what the IRCC Call Center, MPs and Processing time website says.

On the website it says that it is X amount of months from when IRCC receives the complete file (AR date). When I sent it, it said 10 months. Today it says 20. My 10 months will be February 14. If I call the call center, they tell me that my time, independent of the months that I said when I sent the file, is the one I have now. I mention to them what the web says and they tell me that I am wrong. Is this the case?

1. Processing Timeframes
Official Processing Times: The IRCC website provides estimated processing times based on when they receive a complete application. This is generally referred to as the Application Received (AR) date.
Updated Timeframes: Processing times are dynamic and may increase or decrease depending on IRCC workload, backlogs, or operational changes. When processing times change after you submitted your application, IRCC applies the new estimate from your AR date, not the timeframe that was in effect when you initially applied.

2. New vs. Existing Applications
If IRCC has extended the timeframe (e.g., from 10 months to 20 months), this applies retroactively to all applications still in process.

For example, if you submitted your application 9 months ago, your processing time would align with the updated timeline of 20 months, meaning you might have 11 months remaining.

3. Conflicting Information
Call Center: Representatives often provide the latest estimated processing times, as they follow current policies and updates.

Website Estimates: These provide general guidance and are updated regularly but may not account for specific nuances of individual cases.

4. Key Points to Note
Case-Specific Variations: Factors like missing documents, security checks, or interviews can delay processing.

MP Inquiries: Members of Parliament (MPs) can inquire with IRCC on your behalf for clarity but will usually confirm the updated timeframe.

Communication: IRCC has the final say, so if there is confusion, consider requesting updates through the IRCC web form or an ATIP (Access to Information and Privacy) request for detailed status.

5. Conclusion
Yes, the 18-24 month timeframe (or the new timeframe) applies to all applications, including those submitted months ago, unless explicitly stated otherwise by IRCC. Unfortunately, the original timeframe (e.g., 10 months) isn’t guaranteed if there are processing updates after submission.

 

[AndresReyesDev]

As always, @Miss bee, thank you very much for the response. While it’s not what I would have liked to hear, it does provide clarity on this matter.

1. Processing Timeframes
Official Processing Times: The IRCC website provides estimated processing times based on when they receive a complete application. This is generally referred to as the Application Received (AR) date.
Updated Timeframes: Processing times are dynamic and may increase or decrease depending on IRCC workload, backlogs, or operational changes. When processing times change after you submitted your application, IRCC applies the new estimate from your AR date, not the timeframe that was in effect when you initially applied.

2. New vs. Existing Applications
If IRCC has extended the timeframe (e.g., from 10 months to 20 months), this applies retroactively to all applications still in process.

For example, if you submitted your application 9 months ago, your processing time would align with the updated timeline of 20 months, meaning you might have 11 months remaining.

3. Conflicting Information
Call Center: Representatives often provide the latest estimated processing times, as they follow current policies and updates.

Website Estimates: These provide general guidance and are updated regularly but may not account for specific nuances of individual cases.

4. Key Points to Note
Case-Specific Variations: Factors like missing documents, security checks, or interviews can delay processing.

MP Inquiries: Members of Parliament (MPs) can inquire with IRCC on your behalf for clarity but will usually confirm the updated timeframe.

Communication: IRCC has the final say, so if there is confusion, consider requesting updates through the IRCC web form or an ATIP (Access to Information and Privacy) request for detailed status.

5. Conclusion
Yes, the 18-24 month timeframe (or the new timeframe) applies to all applications, including those submitted months ago, unless explicitly stated otherwise by IRCC. Unfortunately, the original timeframe (e.g., 10 months) isn’t guaranteed if there are processing updates after submission.

 

[MapleJourney2024]

Anybody who applied in July 2024? Can you share your timeline?

 

[BuntyPatel20]

Anybody who applied in July 2024? Can you share your timeline?

Hey @MapleJourney2024,

You can find the July timelines here,
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ijur1lTt16i9WHBZey8TnZiJ1ZBcM4G3vuYLdDOWqes/edit?fbclid=IwY2xjawGpnP9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfvTKmHORjy6yWfPawbp5jAm7Qm_x6mOe66yw47Wd0V5UJEYe3j0kuWfJw_aem_b1mofVL-9P75ZpOYImnwDA&gid=0#gid=0

 

[AndresReyesDev]

Hey @MapleJourney2024,

You can find the July timelines here,
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ijur1lTt16i9WHBZey8TnZiJ1ZBcM4G3vuYLdDOWqes/edit?fbclid=IwY2xjawGpnP9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfvTKmHORjy6yWfPawbp5jAm7Qm_x6mOe66yw47Wd0V5UJEYe3j0kuWfJw_aem_b1mofVL-9P75ZpOYImnwDA&gid=0#gid=0

Any of this but for ar on April? Or Aor on August?

 

[james_tvm]

Hiiii,
Anyone here applied for GCMS notes. Please reply. I have a query. Do we(Principal applicant) need to submit the consent form to get the details about our spouse & kid. Also is it good to submit the GCMS notes on privacy act (Outside Canada) to know about the status of my application. Its already 6+ months. As of now only Biometrics completed & no updates. Waiting for medical request. Bio completed on 13.01.2025. TIA.

@ Misbee/Everyone
Please help me with my query above.

 

[Miss bee]

Hiiii,
Anyone here applied for GCMS notes. Please reply. I have a query. Do we(Principal applicant) need to submit the consent form to get the details about our spouse & kid. Also is it good to submit the GCMS notes on privacy act (Outside Canada) to know about the status of my application. Its already 6+ months. As of now only Biometrics completed & no updates. Waiting for medical request. Bio completed on 13.01.2025. TIA.

1. Consent Form for Family Members:
Spouse & Kid Information: If you (the Principal Applicant) want detailed information about your spouse and/or child included in your GCMS notes request, a signed consent form (IMM 5744) from them is required. This is mandatory because GCMS notes contain personal details, and Canadian privacy laws require consent for sharing such information.

If you're re only seeking information about your application as the Principal Applicant, their consent might not be necessary. However, if their details are crucial for your analysis, it's best to include their consent forms.

2. Requesting GCMS Notes from Outside Canada (Privacy Act vs. Access to Information Act):
Since you are outside Canada, you should request GCMS notes under the Access to Information Act (ATIP) rather than the Privacy Act. Only Canadian citizens, permanent residents, or individuals physically present in Canada can file requests under the Privacy Act.

If you are outside Canada, you can hire a representative in Canada (like a friend, relative, or an agent) to file the request on your behalf. Ensure they include your consent form along with the request.

3. GCMS Notes for Checking Application Status:
Timing: GCMS notes are a great way to check the detailed status of your application, including officer comments, eligibility, and other updates. Since it's already been 6+ months with no updates, it's reasonable to request them.

Medical Requests: Often, medical requests are triggered after eligibility is assessed. GCMS notes will help you understand whether this step is complete or still pending.

4. Steps to Submit GCMS Notes:
Find a service or representative in Canada to request on your behalf if you're re not eligible under the Privacy Act.
Include your spouses s and child signed consent forms if their information is relevant.
Submit the form and pay the fee (usually CAD $5).

 

[james_tvm]

1. Consent Form for Family Members:
Spouse & Kid Information: If you (the Principal Applicant) want detailed information about your spouse and/or child included in your GCMS notes request, a signed consent form (IMM 5744) from them is required. This is mandatory because GCMS notes contain personal details, and Canadian privacy laws require consent for sharing such information.

If you're re only seeking information about your application as the Principal Applicant, their consent might not be necessary. However, if their details are crucial for your analysis, it's best to include their consent forms.

2. Requesting GCMS Notes from Outside Canada (Privacy Act vs. Access to Information Act):
Since you are outside Canada, you should request GCMS notes under the Access to Information Act (ATIP) rather than the Privacy Act. Only Canadian citizens, permanent residents, or individuals physically present in Canada can file requests under the Privacy Act.

If you are outside Canada, you can hire a representative in Canada (like a friend, relative, or an agent) to file the request on your behalf. Ensure they include your consent form along with the request.

3. GCMS Notes for Checking Application Status:
Timing: GCMS notes are a great way to check the detailed status of your application, including officer comments, eligibility, and other updates. Since it's already been 6+ months with no updates, it's reasonable to request them.

Medical Requests: Often, medical requests are triggered after eligibility is assessed. GCMS notes will help you understand whether this step is complete or still pending.

4. Steps to Submit GCMS Notes:
Find a service or representative in Canada to request on your behalf if you're re not eligible under the Privacy Act.
Include your spouses s and child signed consent forms if their information is relevant.
Submit the form and pay the fee (usually CAD $5).

Thanks Misbee for your detailed explanation. However I confused in 2 parts. Firstly, I submitted my application on 28th July'24 and received AOR only on 9th January 2025. So in this case is it viable to submit the request for GCMS notes. I think its only 2 weeks after AOR and may be officer not yet reviewed my application after AOR. So is it better to wait and apply after 1 months time.

Secondly, since am outside Canada, when I tried to file the GCMS notes, ATIP option was not showing for outside applicants and showing only under privacy act. Also under privacy act all individuals are eligible to file and receive the notes. So I am not sure by going under the privacy act the notes will be same as filed under the ATIP option. Also am I eligible to submit the GCMS notes by myself from outside Canada.

Really thanks for your effort in putting the time to clarify the details as always. TIA.

 

[engineer2004]

@Miss bee, I had applied under non express entry in July,2024 and got AOR & Biometrics in Dec,2024. Now in Jan,2024 Ircc requested new pcc for my home country, as there was name spelling mistake in old pcc.
Now I have another pcc which I got in OCT,2024 with correct information.
Should I submit this PCC or get a new one and submit. As, they requested for updated pcc, so I am confused, please guide me in this regard. Thanks

 

[davidbrasil]

In my application for PR on the right hand corner was updated on January 13th and nothing changed. I entered today and there's updated with today's date January,23th. I applied on March 25th. Is this a ghost update or means that I am about to receive my final decision?

 

[Miss bee]

Thanks Misbee for your detailed explanation. However I confused in 2 parts. Firstly, I submitted my application on 28th July'24 and received AOR only on 9th January 2025. So in this case is it viable to submit the request for GCMS notes. I think its only 2 weeks after AOR and may be officer not yet reviewed my application after AOR. So is it better to wait and apply after 1 months time.

Secondly, since am outside Canada, when I tried to file the GCMS notes, ATIP option was not showing for outside applicants and showing only under privacy act. Also under privacy act all individuals are eligible to file and receive the notes. So I am not sure by going under the privacy act the notes will be same as filed under the ATIP option. Also am I eligible to submit the GCMS notes by myself from outside Canada.

Really thanks for your effort in putting the time to clarify the details as always. TIA.

1. Timing for Submitting a GCMS Notes Request
Application Timeline: Since you submitted your application on 28th July 2024 and received the AOR on 9th January 2025, there's s typically a lag between when you receive the AOR and when an officer starts actively reviewing your file. You're re correct that the officer may not have fully reviewed the application within just two weeks of the AOR.

Ideal Timing: Its generally recommended to wait about 30-60 days after the AOR before submitting a request for GCMS notes. This gives the immigration officer time to assess your file, so the notes will contain more meaningful updates regarding your eligibility, security, or criminality checks. Since it has only been two weeks, you might benefit from waiting another 2-4 weeks before applying.

2. Filing GCMS Notes from Outside Canada
GCMS Notes Filing under Privacy Act vs ATIP:
The Access to Information and Privacy (ATIP) system governs requests for GCMS notes. Under the Access to Information Act, only Canadian citizens, permanent residents, or individuals physically present in Canada can make a request. However, under the Privacy Act, individuals outside Canada can still request GCMS notes related to their own immigration file.

When filing under the Privacy Act, the content of the GCMS notes will be identical to what you receive under the Access to Information Act. Both acts provide access to the same system; the difference is eligibility criteria for filing the request. So, you can proceed with confidence under the Privacy Act.
Eligibility to Submit GCMS Notes by Yourself:

If you are outside Canada, you cannot submit the request directly unless you meet the residency criteria for the Access to Information Act.

To file a request while outside Canada:

1. You can hire a representative (such as an immigration consultant or lawyer) based in Canada.
2. Alternatively, ask a friend or family member in Canada to file the request on your behalf. You would need to provide them with a consent form (IMM 5744 or IMM 5475).


Recommendations:
1. Wait Before Applying: Since itsonly been two weeks since your AOR, consider waiting at least another month before submitting a request. This will increase the likelihood of your notes having meaningful updates.
2. Filing Process from Outside Canada:
If you wish to file the notes now, either:

Hire a Canadian representative or

Ask a trusted contact in Canada to file the request for you under the Access to Information Act with a signed consent form.
Alternatively, you can directly request under the Privacy Act using the Government of Canada official portal, which ensures you will receive the same GCMS notes.