Family PR Expired and RR is not met 4 renewal

[NomadPR]

Hi Friends
I would appreciate your suggestions on the following scenario

We are family of 4 husband , wife and kids under 18 .We all got our Canadian PR 8 years back .We all migrated to Canada and then after 10 months my wife and 2 kids returned back to India .
I - principle candidate stayed back and got PR renewed and still holding valid Canadian PR .
Now circumstances, priorities have changed and looking to get my wife and 2 kids Canadian PR renewed .

Need your suggestions
1) How and under what circumstances I can get their PR Renewed considering
They are out of Canada for more than 4 years
Not completed 750 days requirement to get PR Renewed .
Currently I - principle candidate is out of Canada from last 12 months and confidant of getting IT Job in Canada ,If I go back .

What are the best options available to me ?

Cheers

 

[steaky]

Hi Friends
I would appreciate your suggestions on the following scenario

We are family of 4 husband , wife and kids under 18 .We all got our Canadian PR 8 years back .We all migrated to Canada and then after 10 months my wife and 2 kids returned back to India .
I - principle candidate stayed back and got PR renewed and still holding valid Canadian PR .
Now circumstances, priorities have changed and looking to get my wife and 2 kids Canadian PR renewed .

Need your suggestions
1) How and under what circumstances I can get their PR Renewed considering
They are out of Canada for more than 4 years
Not completed 750 days requirement to get PR Renewed .
Currently I - principle candidate is out of Canada from last 12 months and confidant of getting IT Job in Canada ,If I go back .

What are the best options available to me ?

Cheers

In other words, you were not living with them for more than at least 3 years?

 

[Cloud5]

Idk what's going to happen but worst case scenario, come back and sponsor them. It'll take around a year if outside of Quebec

 

[scylla]

Hi Friends
I would appreciate your suggestions on the following scenario

We are family of 4 husband , wife and kids under 18 .We all got our Canadian PR 8 years back .We all migrated to Canada and then after 10 months my wife and 2 kids returned back to India .
I - principle candidate stayed back and got PR renewed and still holding valid Canadian PR .
Now circumstances, priorities have changed and looking to get my wife and 2 kids Canadian PR renewed .

Need your suggestions
1) How and under what circumstances I can get their PR Renewed considering
They are out of Canada for more than 4 years
Not completed 750 days requirement to get PR Renewed .
Currently I - principle candidate is out of Canada from last 12 months and confidant of getting IT Job in Canada ,If I go back .

What are the best options available to me ?

Cheers

Renewing their PR cards at this time is not possible. They will need to fly to the US and then attempt to return to Canada via a land border without being reported for failing to meet the residency requirements. If they are able to re-enter without being reported, then they will need to live in Canada for two years straight to be able to renew their PR cards.

If the above is not doable, then should renounce PR and then you sponsor them through family class. You must be living in Canada physically in order to do this. I assume both children are still under 22.

 

[canuck78]

Hi Friends
I would appreciate your suggestions on the following scenario

We are family of 4 husband , wife and kids under 18 .We all got our Canadian PR 8 years back .We all migrated to Canada and then after 10 months my wife and 2 kids returned back to India .
I - principle candidate stayed back and got PR renewed and still holding valid Canadian PR .
Now circumstances, priorities have changed and looking to get my wife and 2 kids Canadian PR renewed .

Need your suggestions
1) How and under what circumstances I can get their PR Renewed considering
They are out of Canada for more than 4 years
Not completed 750 days requirement to get PR Renewed .
Currently I - principle candidate is out of Canada from last 12 months and confidant of getting IT Job in Canada ,If I go back .

What are the best options available to me ?

Cheers

Are you compliant with your RO (been in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years)? You should be aware that if your wife and children are able to enter Canada without being reported there is a good chance they may be unable to secure things like provincial health card until they have a valid PR card. In many ways it may be better for you to move to Canada and sponsor them again if you are compliant with your RO. Would also add that the job market in IT has changed quite a bit in the past year so getting a job may not be that easy.

 

[NomadPR]

Renewing their PR cards at this time is not possible. They will need to fly to the US and then attempt to return to Canada via a land border without being reported for failing to meet the residency requirements. If they are able to re-enter without being reported, then they will need to live in Canada for two years straight to be able to renew their PR cards.

If the above is not doable, then should renounce PR and then you sponsor them through family class. You must be living in Canada physically in order to do this. I assume both children are still under 22.

Yes both kids are under 22.
Incase my family members attempt to enter canada via land border without reporting , would my kids can enroll themselves for school and college in Canada, would they be considered PR holders(of course expired) ? and can my spouse work there ?
Thanks for taking time out to respond to my query .

 

[scylla]

Yes both kids are under 22.
Incase my family members attempt to enter canada via land border without reporting , would my kids can enroll themselves for school and college in Canada, would they be considered PR holders(of course expired) ? and can my spouse work there ?
Thanks for taking time out to respond to my query .

Yes, your children should have no issues attending school. Your wife will be able to work as long as she got a SIN when you originally came to Canada.

It may be difficult to get their health cards renewed and to get provincial health care coverage. That may not be possible until after they have lived in Canada for 2 years and renewed their PR cards.

 

[canuck78]

Yes both kids are under 22.
Incase my family members attempt to enter canada via land border without reporting , would my kids can enroll themselves for school and college in Canada, would they be considered PR holders(of course expired) ? and can my spouse work there ?
Thanks for taking time out to respond to my query .

Some colleges and universities do ask for proof of valid PR cards.

 

[armoured]

Some colleges and universities do ask for proof of valid PR cards.

Worth noting that at least in Ontario, dependants of PRs should be eligible for domestic rates:
https://registrar.ontariotechu.ca/fees-and-payment/tuition-and-fees/international-student-tuition/eligibility-for-domestic-fees.php

I would not rely upon this unless the educational institution confirms - and the children having valid PR cards (even if needing re-sponsored) may be superior for other reasons, too.

 

[canuck78]

Worth noting that at least in Ontario, dependants of PRs should be eligible for domestic rates:
https://registrar.ontariotechu.ca/fees-and-payment/tuition-and-fees/international-student-tuition/eligibility-for-domestic-fees.php

I would not rely upon this unless the educational institution confirms - and the children having valid PR cards (even if needing re-sponsored) may be superior for other reasons, too.

Agree would confirm with financial services department of the school you are applying to. There seems to be variability between schools in terms of proof required. For example in the past year noticed people posting about U of T now asking for valid PR card which I don’t believe was previously the case.

 

[armoured]

Agree would confirm with financial services department of the school you are applying to. There seems to be variability between schools in terms of proof required. For example in the past year noticed people posting about U of T now asking for valid PR card which I don’t believe was previously the case.

Note, however and read the source carefully. Since it appears Ontario says dependants of PRs can study at domestic rates, this should not require PR card of the student (as I believe the cases you're referring to are actually about), but of the parent.

That said: still requires confirmation, still requires the institution's financial department to implement. And I still think overall problematic in many ways to arrive with all but one member of the family (even if the parent) without PR cards and two year's wait to get them. May simply be better for them to renounce and re-apply even.

But it's a different case due to this provision of Ontario's regs.

 

[canuck78]

Note, however and read the source carefully. Since it appears Ontario says dependants of PRs can study at domestic rates, this should not require PR card of the student (as I believe the cases you're referring to are actually about), but of the parent.

That said: still requires confirmation, still requires the institution's financial department to implement. And I still think overall problematic in many ways to arrive with all but one member of the family (even if the parent) without PR cards and two year's wait to get them. May simply be better for them to renounce and re-apply even.

But it's a different case due to this provision of Ontario's regs.

Schools are not immigration experts so likely trying to cover their bases. You could certainly fight with the school but good to know potential issues that you may face if you decide to return to Canada.

 

[armoured]

Schools are not immigration experts so likely trying to cover their bases. You could certainly fight with the school but good to know potential issues that you may face if you decide to return to Canada.

Yes, but: these are regulations of the government of Ontario. There may be uncertainty about implementation, but if it's clearly in the regulations (and it is), the university/college cannot be arbitrary about it.

 

[canuck78]

Yes, but: these are regulations of the government of Ontario. There may be uncertainty about implementation, but if it's clearly in the regulations (and it is), the university/college cannot be arbitrary about it.
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School administrators are not knowledgeable about immigration. You can certainly hire a lawyer to communicate with the school if they demand a valid PR card.

 

[armoured]

School administrators are not knowledgeable about immigration. You can certainly hire a lawyer to communicate with the school if they demand a valid PR card.

Do you read these posts and what you're replying to or just have a macro?

Father has a valid PR card. Ontario Ministry responsible has regs published. Universities and colleges must follow them. A child who is a dependant of a PR in Canada has access to education at domestic rate. Period. There is no need to be knowledgeable about immigration.

Only a moron would think that a non-PR would have to present their own PR card (which they quite obviously cannot have); it is self-evident that in this instance what would be needed is evidence that the parent is a PR - which is covered in the text above. University finance departments are not staffed by morons; can't speak for others.