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Guys I need your advise, I am PR holders my wife's Outland sponsorship in progress(It's been 5 months already). Her TRV is approved, she's 4 months pregnant now . Planning to bring her to canada apply for work permit once landed in Canada and using an offer letter get her OHIP and deliver the baby in Canada. My wife want to stay in India and deliver the baby. If baby is delivered in India. I have to go through baby's PR process which is taking 10-11 months of processing time on IRCC portal. Please advise, Which option is best delivery in India or Canada?
 

armoured

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Guys I need your advise, I am PR holders my wife's Outland sponsorship in progress(It's been 5 months already). Her TRV is approved, she's 4 months pregnant now . Planning to bring her to canada apply for work permit once landed in Canada and using an offer letter get her OHIP and deliver the baby in Canada. My wife want to stay in India and deliver the baby. If baby is delivered in India. I have to go through baby's PR process which is taking 10-11 months of processing time on IRCC portal. Please advise, Which option is best delivery in India or Canada?
It's your choice. Others can only give you opinion and info about issues you will face.

My opinion is your plan for how you will bring her to Canada, get OHIP in time and - very, very important - get good quality access to obstetrician and/or midwives etc is VERY weak. Id' go so far as to say mostly unworkable.

-Consider processing for the work permit will take (most likely) two months or more.
-Hence your spouse will be six months or more pregnant. Minimum.
-She will probably not be eligible for any commercial insurance as already pregnant. Even with commercial insurance, it would be difficult to get doctors to see her in Canada - there is currently a shortage, and residents (OHIP covered) take precedence. For that period without health insurance - financially risky. Probably not a big deal for many, but in pregnancy - risky. EVen out of pocket costs for check-ups and tests might get dear.
-It will be difficult at best to get an offer letter and OHIP in a short period of time - and don't make me define 'short' here. It may simply not be possible.
-Even if OHIP is obtained in that process - say when your spouse is (best case) seven months or so pregnant, it will be difficult to get the level of care that a pregnant woman should be receiving. She may - effectively - be limited to walk-in clinics, which absolutely are NOT geared up for proper care during pregnancy.
-This is all predicated on her health and pregnancy going perfectly. If any issues in the interim, it might cost you and your spouse tens of thousands of dollars. More if anything serious, possibly much more.
-If she doesn't have coverage for the birth itself - $$$$$.
-If you and your spouse need assistance here (while at work or other, eg due to health issues), consider it will be MUCH more expensive than in India (where I assume there may also be family able to help).

On the other side (having the child in India), I think you know the situation better than me. I would add that I don't think adding the baby to your spouse's PR process would take 11 months (which is how you would have to do this, not by a separate application later, assuming she did not land and become a PR before, i.e. travel to Canada just to land, which the later in the pregnancy she gets approved for PR, the less likely it will be advisable.)

How long would it take to add the child? Well, a guess, but 2-6 months, mainly limited by how quickly you can get the docs for the kid, 4 months probably a reasonably safe bet. I'm counting from birth. I think it's fair to say most couples with newborns don't want to undertake long travel like India-Canada much earlier than that.

Yes, it does mean you and your spouse and newborn will be apart longer than you'd like.
 
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canuck78

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It's your choice. Others can only give you opinion and info about issues you will face.

My opinion is your plan for how you will bring her to Canada, get OHIP in time and - very, very important - get good quality access to obstetrician and/or midwives etc is VERY weak. Id' go so far as to say mostly unworkable.

-Consider processing for the work permit will take (most likely) two months or more.
-Hence your spouse will be six months or more pregnant. Minimum.
-She will probably not be eligible for any commercial insurance as already pregnant. Even with commercial insurance, it would be difficult to get doctors to see her in Canada - there is currently a shortage, and residents (OHIP covered) take precedence. For that period without health insurance - financially risky. Probably not a big deal for many, but in pregnancy - risky. EVen out of pocket costs for check-ups and tests might get dear.
-It will be difficult at best to get an offer letter and OHIP in a short period of time - and don't make me define 'short' here. It may simply not be possible.
-Even if OHIP is obtained in that process - say when your spouse is (best case) seven months or so pregnant, it will be difficult to get the level of care that a pregnant woman should be receiving. She may - effectively - be limited to walk-in clinics, which absolutely are NOT geared up for proper care during pregnancy.
-This is all predicated on her health and pregnancy going perfectly. If any issues in the interim, it might cost you and your spouse tens of thousands of dollars. More if anything serious, possibly much more.
-If she doesn't have coverage for the birth itself - $$$$$.
-If you and your spouse need assistance here (while at work or other, eg due to health issues), consider it will be MUCH more expensive than in India (where I assume there may also be family able to help).

On the other side (having the child in India), I think you know the situation better than me. I would add that I don't think adding the baby to your spouse's PR process would take 11 months (which is how you would have to do this, not by a separate application later, assuming she did not land and become a PR before, i.e. travel to Canada just to land, which the later in the pregnancy she gets approved for PR, the less likely it will be advisable.)

How long would it take to add the child? Well, a guess, but 2-6 months, mainly limited by how quickly you can get the docs for the kid, 4 months probably a reasonably safe bet. I'm counting from birth. I think it's fair to say most couples with newborns don't want to undertake long travel like India-Canada much earlier than that.

Yes, it does mean you and your spouse and newborn will be apart longer than you'd like.
Also need proof that job will last at least 6 months and is full-time to qualify for OHIP. Difficult to get hired and to prove that you will be working at least 6 months in the next year when you are heavily pregnant.
 
Feb 28, 2024
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Guys please advise, my wife's Outland family class PR application is in final stages. IRCC sent a letter to declare any changes in her situation. She is due for delivery mid august(in India). Should I declare that she's pregnant or let her get her PR, then Re-apply for baby's PR? I want my wife and kid to be here in Canada with me after delivery (after 4 months). She already has TRV. I am worried if I let the IRCC know that we are having a baby, her application would be set aside and after the delivery they would process both my wife's and baby's PR, This would take I don't know, may be 10 more months post delivery, not sure? This way neither of them will have PR, if they want travel to Canada after 4 months(I'll apply Visit visa for the baby after birth). They can travel without PR but they will not have health benefits. I am leaning towrds not declaring-->let my wife get her PR--> apply for baby's TRV--> bring them to Canada--> apply for baby's PR.

PS: @canuck78 @armoured you guys helped me take right decision earlier. Please advise.
 

armoured

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I am leaning towrds not declaring-->let my wife get her PR--> apply for baby's TRV--> bring them to Canada--> apply for baby's PR.

PS: @canuck78 @armoured you guys helped me take right decision earlier. Please advise.
Basically you can't 'declare' something that hasn't happened.

BUT: your terminology is all wrong in terms of timing. Your wife cannot become a PR until she gets COPR and travels to Canada (or travels to Canada and gets copr/virtual landing in Canada).

If she is not going to travel to Canada before giving birth, there is basically only one/two routes that will be about the same: wait and inform them of birth after. The only difference will be if she gets passport request before or not. If she gets hte PPR before - submit passport and then advise of need to add child after the birth. If child born before PPR - do it then.

Either way, IRCC will then do the 'add dependent to existing app' route, and that might take about four months, possibly a bit longer - biggest delay is going to be getting indian docs for the child (and the medical test, if any delays there).

Note though, I cna't say how long the 'add child' part will take exactly - probably NOT ten months.

[Also not clear to me child/wife will get health care upon arrival in Canada - depends on province I guess.]
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Guys please advise, my wife's Outland family class PR application is in final stages. IRCC sent a letter to declare any changes in her situation. She is due for delivery mid august(in India). Should I declare that she's pregnant or let her get her PR, then Re-apply for baby's PR? I want my wife and kid to be here in Canada with me after delivery (after 4 months). She already has TRV. I am worried if I let the IRCC know that we are having a baby, her application would be set aside and after the delivery they would process both my wife's and baby's PR, This would take I don't know, may be 10 more months post delivery, not sure? This way neither of them will have PR, if they want travel to Canada after 4 months(I'll apply Visit visa for the baby after birth). They can travel without PR but they will not have health benefits. I am leaning towrds not declaring-->let my wife get her PR--> apply for baby's TRV--> bring them to Canada--> apply for baby's PR.

PS: @canuck78 @armoured you guys helped me take right decision earlier. Please advise.
Believe the PR application asks about pregnancy. If so did you declare it?

No matter what your wife will have to declare a change in family composition if she tries to land in Canada as PR. Without listing her child on her PR application she shouldn’t be able to land. If she does she misrepresented her family composition leading to more problems. Only real option is to add your child to your spouse’s PR application after birth. Infants aren’t always granted TRVs so you can’t assume the baby will be awarded one.
 
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Feb 28, 2024
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Believe the PR application asks about pregnancy. If so did you declare it?

No matter what your wife will have to declare a change in family composition if she tries to land in Canada as PR. Without listing her child on her PR application she shouldn’t be able to land. If she does she misrepresented her family composition leading to more problems. Only real option is to add your child to your spouse’s PR application after birth. Infants aren’t always granted TRVs so you can’t assume the baby will be awarded one.
They didn't ask for pregnancy, No I didn't declare.
 
Feb 28, 2024
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Basically you can't 'declare' something that hasn't happened.

BUT: your terminology is all wrong in terms of timing. Your wife cannot become a PR until she gets COPR and travels to Canada (or travels to Canada and gets copr/virtual landing in Canada).

If she is not going to travel to Canada before giving birth, there is basically only one/two routes that will be about the same: wait and inform them of birth after. The only difference will be if she gets passport request before or not. If she gets hte PPR before - submit passport and then advise of need to add child after the birth. If child born before PPR - do it then.

Either way, IRCC will then do the 'add dependent to existing app' route, and that might take about four months, possibly a bit longer - biggest delay is going to be getting indian docs for the child (and the medical test, if any delays there).

Note though, I cna't say how long the 'add child' part will take exactly - probably NOT ten months.

[Also not clear to me child/wife will get health care upon arrival in Canada - depends on province I guess.]
Understood! thank you for the answer.