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H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

Vancouverthebest

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Hi,

You aren't applying for permanent residence if you don't have AIP yet. You're applying for a waiver for the statutory requirement that permanent residence be applied for outside of Canada. Stage one is the waiver part, AIP is stage two and that's the PR part.

So, Border Officers: a visa gets you in front of one. After that you're under examination prior to being either granted entry or sent home on the next flight. The TRV - that's what gets a person in front of an officer who may detain that person and then send them home.

Treatment options in Canada? You pay.
Mr H&C certified do you have any ideas about my claim ?
 

ibrahim0175

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Jun 26, 2014
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The TRV is very unlikely to be approved with a pending H&C application, especially if you are out of status. But you can by all means try.

If you do obtain an approved TRV, whether you are allowed back into Canada is always up to CBSA.
Thank you for your response…
 

ibrahim0175

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Jun 26, 2014
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Hi,

You aren't applying for permanent residence if you don't have AIP yet. You're applying for a waiver for the statutory requirement that permanent residence be applied for outside of Canada. Stage one is the waiver part, AIP is stage two and that's the PR part.

So, Border Officers: a visa gets you in front of one. After that you're under examination prior to being either granted entry or sent home on the next flight. The TRV - that's what gets a person in front of an officer who may detain that person and then send them home.

Treatment options in Canada? You pay.
thank you for the clarification…
 

Bornlucky

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May 15, 2018
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Yes I’m from a country on the TSR, and It has been 6 months passed since they requested for medical but still no AIP very confused
Well my understanding these days is all dated and out of touch, but I don't think that meds or any of the other background stuff indicates much of anything relating to when the AIP decision can be expected.

My ancient understanding of such an H&C - no PRRA because of the TSR - is that it will just sit there until it gets real old. With no PRRA it isn't one of their priorities so, like someone's parent applying for H&C for another example, it doesn't budge for a few years.

I always thought that a TSR was pretty good evidence regarding hardship since it's their own decision that removal is too fraught with peril. Tough shit seems to be their approach.

Keep updating them with news about how great you are - that's the only positive to a lengthy process.
 
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Vancouverthebest

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Thank you for your details bro, that’s right I don’t expect approval but at least they suppose to finalize my case either approve or refused because usually when they asked for medical exam it means decision is close one step either refuse the case or approve it.

Exactly just because I’m from a country on TSR there is no priorities even cannot apply for PRRA,

There are lots of refusal for TSR countries because officer found it that they can stay in Canada without status just because no deportation and officers feels that no hardship when we stay out of country.

the problem is I don’t have great Integration with Canadian society.
 

Bornlucky

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Thank you for your details bro, that’s right I don’t expect approval but at least they suppose to finalize my case either approve or refused because usually when they asked for medical exam it means decision is close one step either refuse the case or approve it.

Exactly just because I’m from a country on TSR there is no priorities even cannot apply for PRRA,

There are lots of refusal for TSR countries because officer found it that they can stay in Canada without status just because no deportation and officers feels that no hardship when we stay out of country.

the problem is I don’t have great Integration with Canadian society.
I don't believe that's a proper evaluation of the TSR within an H&C, but my opinion isn't worth much other than to sympathize with applicants in limbo.

Integration into any place is a challenge and I can't help but notice your rush to be immediately unpopular. I lived abroad for awhile in a totally different culture 1/2 way around the world and it was a struggle even with all of the advantages I enjoyed. Living in the west without status is all uphill.

I don't know if it will help you at all, but you've got to get out and get into the act of living and Canada does offer a chance for personal reinvention. I was no pleasure before I retired - and I say that from my own culture of understatement. I truly did not care what anyone thought. I realize now that I was even worse in how I was treating myself. People who come between a person attacking himself will often leave offended.

So - so what. Life clicks on and it's another day of "what's your timeline," and "how's my cholesterol?" God gives approvals, and devil-scripted refusals go to the Federal Court. Break the pattern, grab a coffee and try to make the waitress pee herself laughing. Part your hair on the other side if that's all it takes, but do something to enjoy life while it lasts.

You're in Vancouver where anyone can get laid! So, I'd never suggest that anyone go fuck himself in that town.
 
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Vancouverthebest

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I don't believe that's a proper evaluation of the TSR within an H&C, but my opinion isn't worth much other than to sympathize with applicants in limbo.

Integration into any place is a challenge and I can't help but notice your rush to be immediately unpopular. I lived abroad for awhile in a totally different culture 1/2 way around the world and it was a struggle even with all of the advantages I enjoyed. Living in the west without status is all uphill.

I don't know if it will help you at all, but you've got to get out and get into the act of living and Canada does offer a chance for personal reinvention. I was no pleasure before I retired - and I say that from my own culture of understatement. I truly did not care what anyone thought. I realize now that I was even worse in how I was treating myself. People who come between a person attacking himself will often leave offended.

So - so what. Life clicks on and it's another day of "what's your timeline," and "how's my cholesterol?" God gives approvals, and devil-scripted refusals go to the Federal Court. Break the pattern, grab a coffee and try to make the waitress pee herself laughing. Part your hair on the other side if that's all it takes, but do something to enjoy life while it lasts.

You're in Vancouver where anyone can get laid! So, I'd never suggest that anyone go fuck himself in that town.
Thank you for your beautiful words and encouragement
In fact wherever you live, life itself is a challenge and I can’t enjoy something when I know missing out on something that is the main issue
hhhhhh that’s right there are some young girls working in teams and Starbucks that u can make in laughs until pee herself.

I personally don’t like sympathize I mean I can accept the result whatever like refusal or anything bad because I always into real things whatever you achieved not hoping for something that you don’t feel happened in real life, we have Karl popper , he’s Austrian-British philosopher that he’s very good in determining falsifiability in his criterion to distinguish real things from pseudo things so that’s why I can’t misguided myself or I can’t lie to my soul or cheat on myself that’s very dangerous.

And interm of Canada Ofc I can’t blame Canada in some way that they gave me lots of favors like healthcare, financially and education can’t blame of them but u know to be honest irccc is a broke system need to fix asap to offer better service
 

Bornlucky

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Thank you for your beautiful words and encouragement
In fact wherever you live, life itself is a challenge and I can’t enjoy something when I know missing out on something that is the main issue
hhhhhh that’s right there are some young girls working in teams and Starbucks that u can make in laughs until pee herself.

I personally don’t like sympathize I mean I can accept the result whatever like refusal or anything bad because I always into real things whatever you achieved not hoping for something that you don’t feel happened in real life, we have Karl popper , he’s Austrian-British philosopher that he’s very good in determining fallibility in his criterion to distinguish real things from pseudo things so that’s why I can’t misguided myself or I can’t lie to my soul or cheat on myself that’s very dangerous.

And interm of Canada Ofc I can’t blame Canada in some way that they gave me lots of favors like healthcare, financially and education can’t blame of them but u know to be honest irccc is a broke system need to fix asap
Well, I believe that a unique person is someone who discovers that they're just about 99% the same as everyone else. Peace, health and fulfillment are baseline desires and insecurity doesn't allow for those things. You can change whatever you decide to change and get stuck in the mud or propelled into the bliss of utter independence and still end up miserable either way.

My "cultural foundation" says generally, you don't ask for help and when you fall down you get up again. It doesn't help. If you'd be safe and happier somewhere else and it's practical, go there. But since you're in Vancouver, stay there and make the best of it while staying true to yourself. Vancouver's an opportunity to live so unlock that part of you that knows how to ease into a new experience to see what it holds, and not what it lacks.

And keep updating your H&C with all of the new letters of support from people you meet who are delighted by your stubborn adherence to negative stereotypes.

The most efficient immigration systems are in countries that people don't wish to travel to, so Canada's system was born with a limp that will never be corrected.
 

HereToStay

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Writing for a friend very complicated story: came to canada in 1995, stayed in the country for 3 years then filed a refugee case which was denied. Filed for H&C after which was denied. After, friend got deported and stayed in home country for 4 years. Friend came back to canada and stayed 3 days at the detention center. Friend then filed another refugee claim at airport and was released from detention centre. Claim was eventually rejected. Friend has an 17 year old daughter who is a born Canadian. She is looking to file H&C again but the lawyer is asking for $9000 which she cannot afford. Can she apply for legal aid? Any advice would be appreciated,
 

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Writing for a friend very complicated story: came to canada in 1995, stayed in the country for 3 years then filed a refugee case which was denied. Filed for H&C after which was denied. After, friend got deported and stayed in home country for 4 years. Friend came back to canada and stayed 3 days at the detention center. Friend then filed another refugee claim at airport and was released from detention centre. Claim was eventually rejected. Friend has an 17 year old daughter who is a born Canadian. She is looking to file H&C again but the lawyer is asking for $9000 which she cannot afford. Can she apply for legal aid? Any advice would be appreciated,
Daughter is not the one who files the application. Your friend has to file the application.

I don't know if your friend can qualify for legal assistance.