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I obtained my PR card in early 2020 and it is expring in about 6 months. I returned to my home country after a short landing (of one week) and then due to the pandemic, I am not able to return to Canada till April 2022. After a short stay (a few weeks) in 2022, I had to leave Canada again to take care of my family. Right now I am decided to come back and reside in Canada to meet the RO.

- Any suggestion to answer the questions if I get second at PoE in the airport?
- What's the odds if CBSA decides to allow me in with a report under A44? (In the past 2 years, I get a freelancer and unofficial contract job for a firm in Canada and filed tax as a non-tax resident, not sure if I should bring this up or tell CSBA in case they are about to give me A44 report)

I've read some other threads but found no similar situation like mine. I know its YMMV but just want to get some suggestions here to help me get into Canada this time(planned next month).
 
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I obtained my PR card in early 2020 and it is expring in about 6 months. I returned to my home country after a short landing (of one week) and then due to the pandemic, I am not able to return to Canada till April 2022. After a short stay (a few weeks) in 2022, I had to leave Canada again to take care of my family (parent diagnoised brain stroke). Right now I am decided to come back and reside in Canada to meet the RO.

- Any suggestion to answer the questions if I get second at PoE in the airport?
- What's the odds if CBSA decides to allow me in with a report under A44? (In the past 2 years, I get a freelancer and unofficial contract job for a firm in Canada and filed tax as a non-tax resident, not sure if I should bring this up or tell CSBA in case they are about to give me A44 report)

I've read some other threads but found no similar situation like mine. I know its YMMV but just want to get some suggestions here to help me get into Canada this time(planned next month).

-Tell the truth, be sure to discuss the family health issue (and covid before it can be mentioned). Won't hurt to mention that you have employment here and 'returned as soon as possible.' If you have any documentation of the health issue, would be good to have a bit at hand (they likely would not 'examine' it carefully but may glance at it).
-Impossible for anyone to say. That said, with valid PR card, some real story of a family situation, chances are significantly better than zero that you will not be reported. Covid alone would likely not be enough at this late date.
-Plan on remaining in Canada with minimal travel to get enough days to meet your RO.

Good luck.
 
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Would add that you should avoid sponsoring family until you are compliant with RO if not reported. Working for a Canadian business freelancing does not establish ties to Canada. Many people work abroad for a Canadian business. You should be able to show why you personally needed to be abroad for medical reasons (hospital records and doctors note specifying treatment and prognosis of family member).
 
Thank you both for the prompt responses.

- a freelancing job may not be considered as tie to Canada, but paying tax is, right?
- "Plan on remaining in Canada with minimal travel to get enough days to meet your RO." do I need a plan, like in written, or just verbal plan will suffice?
 
Thank you both for the prompt responses.

- a freelancing job may not be considered as tie to Canada, but paying tax is, right?
- "Plan on remaining in Canada with minimal travel to get enough days to meet your RO." do I need a plan, like in written, or just verbal plan will suffice?

-It will mostly be ignored as a tie to Canada; the advantage if it comes up with the border services officer is not so much ties to Canada but the fact you will be employed upon arrival. They're human beings and will tend to also look a bit more positively on people that are prepared and have employment arranged and they also know people who are working in Canada are more likely to remain. It's a minor aspect - not formal - but still a positive.

-The "plan" was to mean 'you should plan to remain in Canada.' No formal plan required and no need to show anything, except possibly if asked by the border officer the better truthful response is "I understand I will need to remain in Canada to get compliant with the residency obligation."
 
Thank you both for the prompt responses.

- a freelancing job may not be considered as tie to Canada, but paying tax is, right?
- "Plan on remaining in Canada with minimal travel to get enough days to meet your RO." do I need a plan, like in written, or just verbal plan will suffice?

Filing taxes as a non-resident is not the same as paying taxes.
 
-It will mostly be ignored as a tie to Canada; the advantage if it comes up with the border services officer is not so much ties to Canada but the fact you will be employed upon arrival. They're human beings and will tend to also look a bit more positively on people that are prepared and have employment arranged and they also know people who are working in Canada are more likely to remain. It's a minor aspect - not formal - but still a positive.

-The "plan" was to mean 'you should plan to remain in Canada.' No formal plan required and no need to show anything, except possibly if asked by the border officer the better truthful response is "I understand I will need to remain in Canada to get compliant with the residency obligation."

Not clear whether there is a job in Canada.
 
Not clear whether there is a job in Canada.

First post stated "I get a freelancer and unofficial contract job for a firm in Canada" - while this seems not a full-time staff position, cannot hurt in discussion with passport officer on arrival to mention that there is freelance/contract work (in past and ongoing) for a firm in Canada.
 
First post stated "I get a freelancer and unofficial contract job for a firm in Canada" - while this seems not a full-time staff position, cannot hurt in discussion with passport officer on arrival to mention that there is freelance/contract work (in past and ongoing) for a firm in Canada.

If they have a secured job that will continue in Canada then I would say yes but working for a Canadian firm while abroad doesn’t actually provide any ties to Canada. The post isn’t clear.
 
If they have a secured job that will continue in Canada then I would say yes but working for a Canadian firm while abroad doesn’t actually provide any ties to Canada. The post isn’t clear.

Read where I wrote above: "It will mostly be ignored as a tie to Canada." Emphasis was/is should be on capacity to support oneself. Whether freelance, contract, or employment, that's still a plus. Perhaps not much weight, but still a plus.
 
Hello
you have similar situation same as me!!

Got my PR then went home and stuck du to pandemic then 2 year just waiting for my baby to get visa to .

We just came back to Canada April and my Pr expired on May (( I didn't met my RO )) and I have to problem entering.
Actually If I didn't have my child with me I wouldn't met any officer as all the entry and the process is electronic just scan your card and enter

I also asked an immigration consultant in Canada when I arrived and he said no one can denied entry with a valid card
 
Just to get back to some questions above:
- I haven been overseas and in a remote/contract/PT job for a Canadian business, but I guess it didn't prove much ties here.
- Filing taxes as a non-resident is not the same as paying taxes.-> I filed tax form for my Canadian business income so there are taxes actually paid (5-digit). I guess it is probably a slightly better than just filing the tax form.

Thank you very much for the comments and suggestions. Wish me all the best!
 
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The Long Read . . .

I obtained my PR card in early 2020 and it is expring in about 6 months. I returned to my home country after a short landing (of one week) and then due to the pandemic, I am not able to return to Canada till April 2022. After a short stay (a few weeks) in 2022, I had to leave Canada again to take care of my family. Right now I am decided to come back and reside in Canada to meet the RO.

- Any suggestion to answer the questions if I get second at PoE in the airport?
- What's the odds if CBSA decides to allow me in with a report under A44? (In the past 2 years, I get a freelancer and unofficial contract job for a firm in Canada and filed tax as a non-tax resident, not sure if I should bring this up or tell CSBA in case they are about to give me A44 report)

I've read some other threads but found no similar situation like mine. I know its YMMV but just want to get some suggestions here to help me get into Canada this time(planned next month).

The first response by @armoured largely covers the gist of it.

Not sure what YMMV means; not "you made my day" I'm guessing; perhaps some version of results may vary? If the latter, that's really the deal. How it goes can and does VARY. You are in breach of the PR Residency Obligation and in breach by quite a lot. So there is a very substantial RISK that upon arrival at the Port-of-Entry (PoE) you will be subject to inadmissibility proceedings. The possibility of being "reported" does not adequately reflect what is involved in that process, which is discussed at length in numerous topics.

Meanwhile, it appears you largely understand the situation:
Just to get back to some questions above:
- I haven been overseas and in a remote/contract/PT job for a Canadian business, but I guess it didn't prove much ties here.
- Filing taxes as a non-resident is not the same as paying taxes.-> I filed tax form for my Canadian business income so there are taxes actually paid (5-digit). I guess it is probably a slightly better than just filing the tax form.

Such employment is of course, obviously, a direct tie to Canada. But that's it, just a Canadian tie. Filing and paying Canadian taxes likewise. Other factors have far more influence in whether H&C relief is allowed for a PR who has failed to comply with the Residency Obligation.

If you are coming here to settle permanently, to stay, yeah best wishes.

That said, at the risk of going too long, diving too deep, I will offer further more in-depth observations.

Main reasons for adding my two cents:
-- I disagree with the characterizations about working remotely​
-- to emphasize the variability and complexity of making the H&C case, especially emphasizing that H&C cases are tricky​
-- some clarification of the process at the PoE which many in this forum truncate, referring to being reported​

Leading to . . .


Further Observations and Clarifications:

As I noted, the possibility of being "reported" does not adequately reflect that process. The main thing is whether or not the PoE screening results in being issued a Removal Order. A Removal Order is the worst case scenario, but even if this happens you can enter Canada and appeal, and stay pending the outcome of the appeal.

You refer, for example, "in case they are about to give me A44 report." Not sure how you would know that a CBSA officer is about to prepare a 44(1) inadmissibility report, and while how it goes in practice probably varies some, what matters is whether a 44(1) Report is prepared and if so, if that then results in being issued a Removal Order. Sure, it matters whether an inadmissibility report itself is prepared, whether you are given a copy or not. But again the main thing is whether the PoE screening results in being issued a Removal Order. More regarding this below.

Possibility of being waived through; no RO compliance questions:

Meanwhile, you still have a valid PR card and you are still within the first five years since landing. There is some chance that upon your arrival at the PoE you will NOT be questioned about your RO compliance. Be sure to be honest answering questions without dodging.

If you are waived through without being closely questioned about RO compliance (without a Secondary examination), you can then STAY.

This brings up the first clarification: not sure why @armoured refers to "minimal travel," but to be clear, your best chance of keeping PR status will be to STAY with NO travel outside Canada until you are in compliance with the RO. Also do NOT apply for a new PR card until you are at least well settled here and getting close to meeting the RO (it warrants recognizing that it is better to not apply for a new PR card until you are actually in RO compliance).

RO compliance questions but NOT issued Removal Order:

See detailed discussion of the procedure involved in Secondary examinations as to RO compliance in other topics, including procedure involving making H&C case to a second officer (technically the Minister's Delegate; in practice just a second officer) if a 44(1) inadmissibility Report has been prepared.

The scope of questioning varies widely, but as already noted in regards to arriving back here while in breach of the RO the main thing, even if a 44(1) Report is prepared, is whether or not a Removal Order is issued. The most influential factor is the extent of the breach, and this is just arithmetic. The next most important factor (in terms of whether a Removal Order will be issued) is WHY you remained abroad for as long as you did.

Again, it is important to be honest and to NOT dodge questions. This is not to suggest offering more than is asked . . . but when asked "why" questions, that's an opportunity to tell your story, to make your H&C case as to why you more or less deserve the chance to keep your PR status and STAY, to settle and stay.

In particular, when the questioning becomes focused on the fact you are in breach of the RO (if it does become focused on that) there should be some questions which, in essence, ask "WHY" you were outside Canada for so long. Again, this is your opportunity to tell your story, to explain why your plans to move here and settle PERMANENTLY in Canada (assuming this is honestly part of your story) have been delayed, and to offer any other H&C reasons why you stayed abroad.

This is about telling YOUR story, the real story, YOUR reasons for not settling here PERMANENTLY sooner, and to the extent it is true, YOUR plans to stay and settle here. This is totally personal to YOU, to YOUR situation, and as much as there are similarities among different PRs, the variables and, frankly, vagaries in how border officials deal with this or that individual, make it impossible to quantify the odds.

If your H&C case is not persuasive at the PoE, again you can still enter Canada and you will have a chance to appeal and to more formally present your H&C case in the appeal, with the help of a lawyer if you choose.

H&C Cases Are Inherently Tricky:

The variability of influence particular factors might have in regards to H&C relief is illustrated by so-called "family" reasons, which are among some of the most common reasons for remaining abroad that PRs put forward as a positive H&C factor. The details matter. While typically many family reasons are a positive factor, even compelling family reasons can be a negative factor in some situations. For example, see reference to the Mehmood case in further posting below.

Thus, absent engaging in a formal relationship with a lawyer and going over the details of the H&C case specifically and in depth, which few will do for purposes of preparing for PoE questioning, about the best a PR in breach can do is just be ready to tell their story and perhaps have some supporting documents in hand. If despite telling YOUR story there is a Removal Order issued, again you will be allowed to enter Canada and given time (30 days) to make an appeal, and if you do that you can stay pending the appeal and you should have time to meet with a qualified immigration lawyer who can review your situation and evaluate your H&C factors, giving you the information you will need to help make the decision whether to fully pursue the appeal and whether to engage the lawyer to represent you in the appeal.

There is simply no way to quantify what the risk is you will be issued a Removal Order, let alone what the odds are on appeal if you are issued a Removal Order. You are definitely at risk. But you are still within the first five years of landing. The official decisions do not speak of this as a positive factor, but the anecdotal reporting very much suggests that there is a fair chance of being waived through without any extensive questioning as to RO compliance, or even if not waived through, being treated leniently with a decent shot at being allowed to keep PR status based on H&C reasons.
 
The Long Read Part II:

- a freelancing job may not be considered as tie to Canada, but paying tax is, right?
- "Plan on remaining in Canada with minimal travel to get enough days to meet your RO." do I need a plan, like in written, or just verbal plan will suffice?

Working for a Canadian Business While Abroad:

As I noted, one of the reasons I am responding is because I disagree with the characterizations here as to the influence of working remotely for a Canadian business. Especially the statement "working for a Canadian firm while abroad doesn’t actually provide any ties to Canada," which I disagree with since working for a Canadian business is OBVIOUSLY a direct tie to Canada.

However, the actual extent of this "tie" will vary widely depending on the details, and thus there is a very broad range in how much weight it might carry as a positive H&C factor, from minimal to quite a lot. As @canuck78 noted, what has been posted about your work is not clear. As @armoured has referenced, bringing this work up during questioning will not hurt. Moreover, it should bolster representations of an intent to get here to settle.

That noted, if and when the PoE questioning reaches a stage in which H&C factors are involved, it is NOT true that such work will be mostly ignored as a tie to Canada.

One important aspect of this work, for purposes of how much weight it could carry in the H&C assessment, is the extent to which it is actually a tie to Canada. This includes factors like the amount of work and the nature of the Canadian business, including the scope of your relationship with the employer, and the extent to which this is connected to and reflects an opportunity for you to work here when you come. That is, what influence it has can vary depending on the extent to which it shows your establishment in Canada or at least the extent to which you have progressed in establishing yourself in Canada.

I know this is not the question, but to be clear, even though your work may be sufficient to constitute working for a Canadian business while abroad, it does NOT qualify for credit toward the RO for days abroad working for a Canadian business. This is addressed in other topics. Even if this is full time work, it is clearly not a temporary assignment by a Canadian employer. But that does not, not at all, mean it will not be a positive H&C factor.

The thing is, it is just a Canadian tie. Short of having minor children living in Canada, the H&C weight of Canadian ties is generally NOT what will tip the scales absent other substantially positive H&C factors. And even having minor children living in Canada, as big a Canadian tie that is, that is often NOT sufficient to tip the scales favourably absent other positive factors.

Extent of the breach is the biggest factor. Bigger the breach, the more negative. So, returning to Canada as soon as possible is important.

The weight of H&C factors rooted in the reasons for remaining abroad, for not returning to Canada sooner, is the next biggest factor. (Noting that reasons for remaining outside Canada can carry either positive or negative H&C weight, depending on the reason . . . remaining outside Canada for personal economic reasons, for example, is generally a negative factor.)

The fact of having Canadian ties is a distant third, at best a distant third.

Which means in terms of the gist of things, notwithstanding some quibbling in their views, the cautionary approach suggested by @armoured and @canuck78 is warranted despite the fact I disagree with the characterization of remote work as no tie or one that would be mostly ignored.

For example, in a case where the PR was "an independent sub-contractor able to perform his duties anywhere in the world" (remote work while outside Canada that does NOT qualify for credit for days working abroad for a Canadian business), an IAD panel stated:
The Appellant has some continued establishment in Canada after leaving in 2020 by working for various Canadian companies, significant savings in a Canadian bank account, and RRSP investments, which weighs in favour of this appeal.
See Mehmood v Canada, 2023 CanLII 112379 (CA IRB), https://canlii.ca/t/k1dmb

Even though the extent of the breach in that case was "moderate" (IN Canada nearly a year and a half within the relevant five years), and this PR had actually been established in Canada previously, that was NOT sufficient to get H&C relief. On the other hand, this PR had a very strong tie outside Canada, a spouse who could not be sponsored for PR (failure to declare in PR's own PR visa application process). And his reasons for leaving and not returning sooner were negative (in addition to economic reasons constituting a negative factor, the family reasons here were actually a negative as well).

Which illustrates just a sample of potentially competing factors. Which illustrates that remote work for a Canadian business is a Canadian tie that matters but the extent to which it influences the overall H&C assessment will vary depending on the details and on all the other relevant factors.

Overestimated Expectations Regarding Canadian Ties Generally:

Common queries in this forum suggest that many overestimate the positive influence of Canadian ties. From owning residential property to incorporating a business in Canada, from establishing bank accounts here to filing and paying Canadian taxes, there has been no shortage of indications that many PRs have the impression these are things that will have significant positive influence in their favour notwithstanding their breach of the RO. But this is NOT like collecting points. Not only will how much positive influence vary depending on the context, the particulars, it is NOT as if IRCC or CBSA officers are idiots and will fail to recognize efforts to game the system.

Canadian ties are positive factors to the extent they indicate the PR is REALLY establishing a life in Canada. This can be complex. This can get complicated. This is where it can make a difference if the PR is a new PR (within first five years) and the Canadian ties indicate the PR is in the process of getting established in Canada, VERSUS the PR who is trying to retain PR status but not actually in the process of settling PERMANENTLY in Canada.

Appearances matter. Context matters. One of the most common mistakes reflected in many queries here is the failure to recognize that the nearly exact same detail can have a big positive impact for one PR but yet have a negative impact for another. This contributes to the unpredictability PRs in breach face. But to be clear, there is rhyme and reason at play. Although it is impossible to quantify the influence of who-deserves-to-keep-PR elements, that who-deserves-to-keep-PR is a big factor is no mystery.

Leading to the "Canadian business" element . . .

Not All Canadian Businesses Are Created Equal:

For the PR who incorporates a business in Canada, or who is employed by a business incorporated in Canada by his brother or spouse or brother-in-law or close friend, it should be NO surprise that working abroad for such a business does not carry nearly the positive weight that being employed by Enbridge or RBC or Imperial Oil or Thomson Reuters might have. Or Air Canada. And so on. Did I mention that appearances or context matters? I am sure I did. They do. Did I mention that IRCC and CBSA officers are not idiots who can be expected to fail to recognize efforts to game the system? Variability and unpredictability do not mean the dynamics are mysterious. Common sense is rather common, and Canada's bureaucrats are not immune or precluded from using common sense.
 
Hello
you have similar situation same as me!!

Got my PR then went home and stuck du to pandemic then 2 year just waiting for my baby to get visa to .

We just came back to Canada April and my Pr expired on May (( I didn't met my RO )) and I have to problem entering.
Actually If I didn't have my child with me I wouldn't met any officer as all the entry and the process is electronic just scan your card and enter

I also asked an immigration consultant in Canada when I arrived and he said no one can denied entry with a valid card
Don't hijack someone else's thread.. open your own one.