It is NOT legally required to issue visas to all other family members once Principal Applicant has been approved. It is very wrong to assume that, CIC assess each subsequent applications and apply social, family and economic tiers check separately.
Rejected visa- Minor children
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Nothing is guaranteed and there are no legal requirements that everyone gets approved. They are temporary workers not immigrating. This is a special program that makes no mention of a person coming to Canada and then circumventing rules to automatically bring your families here. How did IRCC know she has children? Is it because she applied for a TRV and specifically said “I have kids but they are staying behind and are my ties to return?“ If she didn’t want to be separated from them then why didn’t she apply for her children’s TRVs at the same time? The insane part is leaving your kids with no guarantee that they could come to Canada. She made assumptions and didn’t read this special program’s rules.
So she needs to start her job, get a job letter and pay stubs to show she can support her family. She shows funds in her bank account so that her family can settle. New immigrants have to show funds to settle so she should too. Then she applies for her children’s study permits. They are of school age so would be attending school. Don’t even know if IRCC will approve study permits under this special policy but she has no choice. No point in reconsideration because they are not coming to visit but live and go to school.
This is not an immigration program so she needs a plan on whether to stay if kids are refused and work to immigrate and then bring her family. So if plans are to immigrate then she wants to have a skilled job, get her ECA for her education, take language tests and be eligible for Express Entry/PNP.
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“they knew that a mother cannot be separated from young children”
I can literally feel you clutching your pearls over the horrors they never issued the visas for the children . They never thought out their plan carefully enough . They assumed the kids visa were a slam dunk. They forgot they aren’t immigrants, they are temporary workers. In such they have to show ties they’ll return . Those ties are right in front of them , those kids . The VO isn’t going to shedding one tear about the separation. The mother chose to leave them. So it’s kinda rich to be blaming the VO as heartless
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Thanks all.
I agree, she took a risk, in her visa application she mentioned having kids; but she never mentioned I have to go back because of my children, I mean according to her, she has not used them as ties.
In the visa applications for her kids, she clearly said she is inviting them to be here with her while she has a valid work permit. She also showed funds in her Canadian account (18k) and Irannian account (8k).
So you all think she should start her job and get paystubs and a job letter, then reapply for study permits this time? Do you happen to know how much funds she should provide?
Thank you all!
I agree, she took a risk, in her visa application she mentioned having kids; but she never mentioned I have to go back because of my children, I mean according to her, she has not used them as ties.
In the visa applications for her kids, she clearly said she is inviting them to be here with her while she has a valid work permit. She also showed funds in her Canadian account (18k) and Irannian account (8k).
So you all think she should start her job and get paystubs and a job letter, then reapply for study permits this time? Do you happen to know how much funds she should provide?
Thank you all!
If she mentioned kids in her TRV then those were ties to return. She didn’t have to say it. To IRCC those are her ties. She needs to show she is established in her job and working. She needs an employer letter saying she will have a long term job with xx amount in salary. Her paystubs will match the letter. Why does she have a Canadian account? If so, she really was planning ahead to move and work in Canada. It was pre-planned.
She needs to contact school boards and find out where they will attend based on where she lives. She should look at waitlists and costs for daycare (before and after school care).
Will the kids be approved? Don’t know because IRCC knows what she is trying to do and the current policy doesn’t specify that families can be reunited or guaranteed visas.
If she really wants them in Canada and their visas are refused. Then they can apply as international students and reapply for study permits. However, for each child they will want to show around $25k each per child per year.
There are multiple issues. First issue is she applied to come to Canada as a visitor and likely misrepresented her intentions and then applied for an OWP. She was actually quite lucky to get the OWP because the intention for the special program for Iranians was not to allow any Iranians family to move to Canada and get an OWP and not qualify like anyone else trying to come to Canada or apply for asylum if they left Iran because they were being personally persecuted. It was primarily meant for those already in Canada who now felt unsafe to return to Iran. The parents likely qualified for a TRV because the children remained in Iran so they were less likely to try and remain in Canada if their children remained at home. One of the biggest issues is that the children are no longer true visitor and want to live in Canada so the children need to be applying for a study permit. It would be best for your friend to show that she is employed and has enough funds to support her family without the need for government help because it is very expensive to support a family in Canada and even securing housing for a family can be very difficult. Many require proof of employment and many are now offering up to 6 months rent in advance if people don’t have a Canadian credit score and a rental and employment history. Family reunification in Canada isn’t guaranteed especially immediately in many different situations. The children aren’t that you and they do have their father to care for them so they are not alone. If you have proof that you can support your family in Canada they should be able to get study permits approved although it could take some time. There is not need to prove any form of registration for daycare since the children are old enough to attend school full-time. If both parents are working full-time Monday to Friday you may need to budget for before school or after school care since school often ends mid afternoon. You will also have to budget for childcare during the summer
Don’t think they need to look into daycare and typically before or after school care is organized by the school. Some families are able to organize their work schedule to avoid needing care before school and maybe after school. I know some families when one parent works at night so they can take their children to school and pick them up in the afternoon. Summer time may be the big issue and very expensive because you have to provide childcare or register your children for summer camp for 2 months when there is no school if both parents are working traditional 9-5 Mon-Fri. Some parents work opposite shifts of one parents works 2 full-time jobs so the other parent can stay at home or work part-time. Also don’t need to have proof of registration at the school. Saying a child will attend the local public school is usually sufficient as the child of a WP holder. Securing housing with the level of savings and without a job may be very difficult.
Given that the children did not apply at the some time as the parents they were considered ties without the parents having to highlight that they were ties. Whether your spouse and your unmarried children under 22 are travelling with you are always considered. Since your friend go the WP they no longer are trying to visit Canada they want to live in Canada which is one of the reasons why they got denied. They are lucky they were able to get the OWP because it was really meant for Iranians already in the Canada when the protests about women started. The WP wasn’t meant as a way to skip the typical work permit process for anyone coming to Canada with a new visitor visa from Iran. Given the cost of living your friend should get a job before her children apply for study permits. The cost of living is very high in most of Canada and there is a shortage of housing. Many newcomers are offering 6 months of rent in advance to try and secure housing for their family because they are competing with others who have a credit score and work/rental history. Without a job it is even more difficult to secure housing. The family will need a 2 bedroom apartment at a minimum. With young children they also have to factor in the potential cost of care during non-school hours and for 2 months during the summer when there is no school. Most families need 2 incomes to survive in Canada and it can still be a struggle depending on how high your income is and where you live in Canada. As I mentioned before some families are creative and work opposite schedules to save on childcare costs for example. Given that the children are still with their father they aren’t considered to be alone. There have been many families who end up being separated for years in Canada depending on their profile. It is better than before when it wasn’t uncommon for some mothers to be separated from their children for the majority or their childhood.
I agree with you. I know many people who recently came to Canada as visitors and got WP through this program. But you know, we cannot judge them since the situation in Iran is really not good! especially women are not safe there! Anyhow, thanks everyone for the comments, I will let my friend know, fortunately, she is going to start her job in Jan, so she can wait for one/two more months and reapply for a study permit this time. She should probably discuss this with a lawyer too.
Yes, she can talk with the lawyer. Their other issue is that the policy ends in February (unless extended) so if study permits are not approved until after that, then the husband is not eligible for a work permit on his own. The wife is on an open work permit under the program so he may not be able to apply based on her open work permit. If that is the case then he cannot work in Canada but only be a visitor. He can only stay up to 6 months.
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There are many places in the world where living as a woman or in general is tough. Many people have used both the Turkey earthquake and the Iran protest WP program as a way to skip applying for asylum or as an easy way to obtain a WP while many others experiencing similar conditions will arrive on a TRV and struggle to get even a closed WP. There seems to be a large volume of applicants trying to secure the OWP before the programs closes and didn’t leave as soon as possible. This is more of a criticism for IRCC who creates these programs but often doesn’t police who actually applies for them and doesn’t ask for proof whether people were actively protesting for example in Iran or whether people’s homes were fully destroyed and were left homeless with no other housing options after the Earthquake. Meanwhile Canada is facing both a housing, healthcare and cost of living crisis and we have spent almost a billion dollars of just hotels to house newcomers this year. Canada needs immigrants but uncontrolled immigration isn’t a great idea given the fact that our infrastructure can’t keep up with demand and people applying for special H&C programs, refugees and asylum seekers, international students, etc. are getting faster processing than economic immigrants and express entry programs even for skills Canada desperately needs. Many of the Iranians who were easily able to get an OWP will struggle to obtain PR.
well said,
with respect to what you criticized, according to statistics 2022 , India, China, and Afghanistan ( 27% , 7.2% , and 5.4% respectively ) are Canada’s top immigration sources according to each immigrant’s country of citizenship. FYI, Iran by 2.7% is standing as number 8th in the list.
No offence, though Exclusive Federal programs( Immigration) is designed to help people who are in trouble like Ukraine, Afghanistan, and list goes on. There is no right and wrong when it comes to consider people's life , however the number shows everything in terms of immigration population who recently came in to Canada either by proper monitoring or not.
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The numbers you are quoting are only for PR so doesn’t take into account arrivals from any other program including the Iranian OWP. Canada has limited resources in IRCC. Spending a large portion of resources having people come to Canada on various types of special programs (Ukraine, Iran, Sudan and Turkey), running the private refugee program and especially from Afghanistan, changing the TRV rules so there are significantly more asylum claimants, increasing numbers applying for H&C, the H&C program for Venezuelan, Haitians and Colombians, inviting around 1 million international students and having others on closed WPs while not increasing the amount draws for PRs has created a huge issue. As a small country we are welcoming way more people than we can handle or can afford. Just shelter alone is close to a billion dollars. At the same time people are struggling to qualify for PR because there hasn’t been the same increase in spots and the draws haven’t been as regular and CRS scores have skyrocketed. We also have a goal of how many PRs we want to get PR in a year which is very high but based on the number of people who are arriving the numbers don’t make sense. People are then caught having often studied and worked in Canada with visas and permits expiring unable to secure PR. Many highly skilled and employed want to remain in Canada but can’t because they can’t secure PR and the other permits are expiring.
There is a right way to support people. Accepting so many people that they can’t find a place to live, can’t get support because there are too many people also needing support, have to wait 6-12+ months to get into a language class because there is a long waitlist, accepting people while people already in Canada are struggling to access healthcare and schools are full in many areas and are unable to find licensed teachers, etc. is not providing a good start or foundation to newcomers to Canada.Many of the charitable organizations providing clothing and furniture don’t have enough items to help all the new arrivals due to the volume. There is also a huge stress on the foodbanks in general but many in these special groups are putting even more strain on the food banks. Not to mention our deficit is pretty brutal. Canada is a small a country bringing in many more people through special programs, as refugees and also has a very large # of asylum claimants arriving than many other countries. Canada seems to be the only one really accepting Afghan refugees at the moment for example.
According to Statista Origin of international students in Canada 2022 | Statista
Top ten origin countries of study permit holders with a valid permit in Canada in 2022
1- India ( 319000)
2- China ( 100000)
3- Philippine 32500)
4- France 27000)
5- Nigeria (21500 )
6- Iran (21000)
this is just for study permit , if we consider the same number for visitor visa holders, still numbers tell everything. with respect to that , Study permit process is way easier and accessible as per to getting Visitor visa , at lease for Iranian. so numbers should be slightly less for the visitor visa holders.
I have been living in Canada since 2018, I understand the cost of living , cost of rent etc.. however, what I do not understand is that, why we should blame gov when they come up with the program to help people who really in a trouble and they are small portion of immigrants who came in to Canada for the last 2 years, at least. and still some of us asking for prove to believe they are alive not executed or their home completely destroyed to let them get in because we don't believe in they are going to participate or contribute to Canada?
lets move on , with respect