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Potter Harry

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Hi guys. My situation is a bit complicated. Need help.

I applied for Express Enrty PNP and I have added my CLP in my application wayback 2021. During the process, there was a breakdown in the relationship and I removed him from my application and I landed as single here in Canada last February 2023. Just this year we got in touch again and he's planning to visit me here. Will there be a problem if I sponsor him once a cohabitation of 12 months will be established again inside Canada?

And also, is my status here single or legally separated since I was in a common-law relationship before landing as PR?
Thank you and appreciate all your help.
 

armoured

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In theory, no issue. In practice you might consider marrying to draw a line between the common law relationship (that ended) and the restart to permanent form.

But the key is that the relationship ended when you moved. Just be open and direct about that .

Your status now is single.
 
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Hi guys. My situation is a bit complicated. Need help.

I applied for Express Enrty PNP and I have added my CLP in my application wayback 2021. During the process, there was a breakdown in the relationship and I removed him from my application and I landed as single here in Canada last February 2023. Just this year we got in touch again and he's planning to visit me here. Will there be a problem if I sponsor him once a cohabitation of 12 months will be established again inside Canada?

And also, is my status here single or legally separated since I was in a common-law relationship before landing as PR?
Thank you and appreciate all your help.
"legally separated" status only applies to people who got married and are separated waiting for a divorce to be finalized or somewhere near that direction.
Your status is single. (since you were never married)
 
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And also, is my status here single or legally separated since I was in a common-law relationship before landing as PR?
Thank you and appreciate all your help.
Contrary to popular belief, there is really no such thing as "legally separated". That would seem to suggest that some separations must be "illegal". As an aside, let me recall early on in first year law school, our property law professor had a bit of fun with the class when he decided to describe for us the difference between "unlawful" and "illegal". Everyone in the room sat with pens poised (I suppose pens are no longer seen in classes), hanging on his every word, starting to take notes. We learned that "unlawful" means "contrary to the law" and "illegal" means "a large, sick bird".

Anyway, you are separated or you are not. Adding the magic word "legally" adds nothing.

Here's a description with which I can agree:

https://www.crossroadslaw.ca/blog/what-is-legally-separated/
 

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Contrary to popular belief, there is really no such thing as "legally separated". That would seem to suggest that some separations must be "illegal".
Ah, fun, a quasi-legal and quasi-linguistic dust-up disagreement.

I disagree. First, you know perfectly well that there is more than one meaning here of 'legally', one of which is 'in a legal manner' or 'in accordance with the law.' The opposite of that is not 'illegal' (against the law), but not according to legal procedures, or in an 'informal' manner. (The distinction between de facto and de jure is an apt analogy here).

Yes, there's no such legal procedure here, so it's a dumb distinction in Canada. But see below.

Anyway, you are separated or you are not. Adding the magic word "legally" adds nothing.
IRCC has it on the form, actually. That may be inadvisable - as basically irrelevant under (current) Canadian law (so why does IRCC offer it as an option? Probably historical) - but it is a normal question for applicants/sponsors to ask here on the forum, whether they should put that or - wait - do I need to be legally separated?.

I'd also note that it's entirely possible that other jurisdictions/countries DO have or had some legal procedure to denote some kind of recognition of separation as distinct from divorce (which is after all outlawed in some countries).

But overall I mostly agree with your point, there's not really such a thing in Canada (to my layman's knowledge). Some want to spend money on an affidavit, which is usually nothing more than a letter saying "we are separated" with a lawyer or notary's stamp affixed saying "this guy said this! really!."
 
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IRCC has it on the form, actually. That may be inadvisable - as basically irrelevant under (current) Canadian law (so why does IRCC offer it as an option? Probably historical) - but it is a normal question for applicants/sponsors to ask here on the forum, whether they should put that or - wait - do I need to be legally separated?.
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But overall I mostly agree with your point, there's not really such a thing in Canada (to my layman's knowledge). Some want to spend money on an affidavit, which is usually nothing more than a letter saying "we are separated" with a lawyer or notary's stamp affixed saying "this guy said this! really!."
And overall I agree with you. I seem to recall it is on the IRCC form, as you say, but I also recall, regardless of the nature of one's separation so to speak, if married, the form pretty much requires you to check "legally separated" since, in the case of most who are separated, there's no other reasonable choice. For example, being separated in any manner does not allow one who is married to answer "single".

In the case of @Potter Harry, having never been married, I would answer the question as "single", even though the two were apparently together for long enough to be seen as common law in the eyes of the IRCC. In that regard, the IRCC has adopted its own notion of what constitutes "common law". Here in BC, that term has fallen somewhat into disuse in the courts and replaced with the more awkward "marriage-like relationship" and, under the BC Family Law Act, must subsist for more than 2 years to be recognized, instead of the 1-year period deemed sufficient by the IRCC.

I'd also note that it's entirely possible that other jurisdictions/countries DO have or had some legal procedure to denote some kind of recognition of separation as distinct from divorce (which is after all outlawed in some countries).
That could be possible, but I doubt the form contemplates much beyond such things as "single", "married" (legally) "separated", "divorced" or "widowed" and, perhaps, "annulled". But that might be incorrect. Maybe there's a choice of "other". But my guess is that one must select from the limited list presented - a list the IRCC considers adequate. Other countries might well have a range of recognitions, but the form will require one to pick from the IRCC terms. I would not expect any country to have some form of recognition of "common law separation". I know of quite a few people in Canada and elsewhere who have had a string of relationships, each lasting a year, but not much more. They might have to answer "separated x 8" or something like that. And some of them have also been married and divorced along the way, so they would have to answer "divorced and separated x 8".

It's been a fun, a quasi-legal and quasi-linguistic dust-up disagreement over a bit of a trifling point, in which I sought simply to point out that "legally separated" is no different from "separated" in Canadian law. I hope not too distracting for the OP.
 
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I should have noted ] I'm not aware of any place that would make you put "separated " with respect to a common law relationship. At any rate for the purposes here, the OP's question
 
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Potter Harry

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Thank you for all your insights.

IRCC was informed when we ended the common law relationship and I was able to remove him from my application. That was when the application was ongoing.

I landed as single when I became a PR. Now he's trying to visit me here and in the application form for tourist visa, will he answer separated or single? we were never married. just CLP in the eyes of IRCC who had a breakdown of relationship while the application was ongoing wayback 2021.

Sorry I know this is a bit confusing.
 

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I landed as single when I became a PR. Now he's trying to visit me here and in the application form for tourist visa, will he answer separated or single? we were never married. just CLP in the eyes of IRCC who had a breakdown of relationship while the application was ongoing wayback 2021.
If you're single, I think that means he should be, too.