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Family Sponsorship (PGP) - E-petition to the House of Commons - 2023
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Hi everyone,
Providing a quick today's update on the petition - we've already collected 321 signatures, this is great, thank you all so much!
Please, don't stop at signing the petition because we need to collect 500 signatures before June 19th for the petition to be presented at the House of Commons. NOTE: Anyone in Canada can sign the petition, you don't have to be a citizen or PR. Here are the ways you could spread the word about the petition:
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Providing a quick today's update on the petition - we've already collected 321 signatures, this is great, thank you all so much!
Please, don't stop at signing the petition because we need to collect 500 signatures before June 19th for the petition to be presented at the House of Commons. NOTE: Anyone in Canada can sign the petition, you don't have to be a citizen or PR. Here are the ways you could spread the word about the petition:
-Post on your Instagram
-Post on your Facebook
-Post in relevant Facebook groups
-Share the link with friends
-Share the link in your group chats
Thanks a lot!
Hello again,
Today's signatures count is 385! Thanks so much to all those who signed and shared the petition! Let's hope the interest to sponsor forms for PGP program will reopen in 2023!
If you haven't signed and shared already, please, do so, the petition needs to collect minimum 500 signatures before June 19th.
Thank you all and have a wonderful day!
Today's signatures count is 385! Thanks so much to all those who signed and shared the petition! Let's hope the interest to sponsor forms for PGP program will reopen in 2023!
If you haven't signed and shared already, please, do so, the petition needs to collect minimum 500 signatures before June 19th.
Thank you all and have a wonderful day!
Hi everyone,
Hope you all had a nice weekend!
We collected 417 signatures so far, this is amazing, thank you so much!
We need to collect 500 signatures before June 19th for the petition to be presented at the House of Commons. NOTE: Anyone in Canada can sign the petition, you don't have to be a citizen or PR.
Please, sign and share with friends: https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-4385.
Thanks a lot!
Hope you all had a nice weekend!
We collected 417 signatures so far, this is amazing, thank you so much!
We need to collect 500 signatures before June 19th for the petition to be presented at the House of Commons. NOTE: Anyone in Canada can sign the petition, you don't have to be a citizen or PR.
Please, sign and share with friends: https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-4385.
Thanks a lot!
PGP applications are scheduled to go up to 40k applications per year (not individuals) so not few thousand extra seniors. That is addition to applications via H&C and parents visiting under supervisas. There could be hundreds of thousands of extra seniors visiting via supervisa. Even if they do have supervisa insurance the system doesn’t have the extra beds to treat all the extra seniors.
If you look a similar petition is filed every year. Even if parents willing to immigrate aren’t the reason for issues in the healthcare system they will only make the issues in the healthcare system worse not better.
If you check the stats the annual rate of hospitalization in Canada is 7% , it is about 2,677,000 per year out of 38,250,000 Canadian population.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/497098/canada-hospitalization-rate/
Not all parents who come to Canada are in bad health shape, they are filtered by medical exams before entering ( which, IMO is a type of discrimination).
There is a plan for PGP 2023 from canada.ca, which targets between 25,000 - 38,000 admissions for parents and grandparents. We know from previous years that the number of invitations is much less. But suppose they invite a maximum of 38,000 people and consider a worst-case scenario where half of them would be hospitalized.
19,000 out of 2,677,000 is 0.7%
Even in this unreal scenario, the impact on the healthcare system would be less than 1%
According to a study by Madine Vanderplatt, Howard Ramos, and Yoko Yoshida titled
"What do Sponsored Parents and Grandparents Contribute?," :
"Sponsored parents and/or grandparents are not as old as many suspect, they tend to live in similar households as other immigrants and, as our analysis of their contributions suggest, they overwhelmingly—two thirds—work or are selfemployed, engage in homemaking, care for family, or engage in other activities. They are active and they do make important contributions to their families."
Can you imagine TWO THIRDS of parents work and pay taxes?
Regarding Super Visa insurances, they are TRAVEL insurances that do not cover specialized health treatments, only emergency cases like physical traumas. This poses a significant problem for Super Visa visitors, as they cannot receive medical treatment and are not allowed to work to pay for it. Although they can live in Canada for five years, they do not have any rights.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/497098/canada-hospitalization-rate/
Not all parents who come to Canada are in bad health shape, they are filtered by medical exams before entering ( which, IMO is a type of discrimination).
There is a plan for PGP 2023 from canada.ca, which targets between 25,000 - 38,000 admissions for parents and grandparents. We know from previous years that the number of invitations is much less. But suppose they invite a maximum of 38,000 people and consider a worst-case scenario where half of them would be hospitalized.
19,000 out of 2,677,000 is 0.7%
Even in this unreal scenario, the impact on the healthcare system would be less than 1%
According to a study by Madine Vanderplatt, Howard Ramos, and Yoko Yoshida titled
"What do Sponsored Parents and Grandparents Contribute?," :
"Sponsored parents and/or grandparents are not as old as many suspect, they tend to live in similar households as other immigrants and, as our analysis of their contributions suggest, they overwhelmingly—two thirds—work or are selfemployed, engage in homemaking, care for family, or engage in other activities. They are active and they do make important contributions to their families."
Can you imagine TWO THIRDS of parents work and pay taxes?
Regarding Super Visa insurances, they are TRAVEL insurances that do not cover specialized health treatments, only emergency cases like physical traumas. This poses a significant problem for Super Visa visitors, as they cannot receive medical treatment and are not allowed to work to pay for it. Although they can live in Canada for five years, they do not have any rights.
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In addition, it's important to consider the well-being of children who see their parents and grandparents as an essential part of their family. Separation from their loved ones can have a negative impact on their well-being, and in some cases, it can even be a reason for them to consider returning to their home country.
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Thank you for this, that's a great answer, and I totally agree!
We already have 444 signatures, please, help us get to 500! Sign and share: https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-4385
Me & my spouse signed it. 502
Me & my spouse signed it. It crossed mark of 500.
2/3rds don’t pay taxes. Your quote doesn’t say that. It says that 2/3rd either work, take care of the home or participate in other activities which could mean volunteer to taking an exercise class. Contributing to their own family doesn’t necessarily mean contributing to Canada in general. If every sponsored parent took care of children leading to both parents being able to enter the workforce especially if one parent was unable to enter the workforce before that would be significant economic benefit but that isn’t the case. I would imagine 10% paid taxes and that is probably generous.
Hospitalization represents a fraction of healthcare spending or use. Just because you aren’t hospitalized doesn’t mean you aren’t putting stress on the healthcare system or spending significant HC dollars. Cost of LTC is also not factored into hospitalization either. Although many care for elderly parents at home it is not possible in all cases. Given a large issue is HC staffing an increased number of people using the HC system means more demand on limited staffing resources. That Is also why the fact that seniors on supervisas also place a lot of stress on the system especially ERs. Even if someone has private insurance there isn’t the staff to service an extra bed in hospital or an extra appointment slot. Given the increased length of stay, with many have no intentions of returning home, the amount of seniors that will remain in Canada will likely increase dramatically. Most consider a 5 year visit with a possibility of a 2 year extension a move to Canada not a visit which is why the length of stay is problematic. It is also likely that a
parents health will decline over the 5-7 years. There are many cases where parents or grandparents don’t return home to receive treatment even if supervisa insurance doesn't cover the cost. Most hospitals allow payment plans and some even allow the foreign national senior who is ill and not the Canadian to be the one who agrees to pay for ongoing treatment. Many of the bills go unpaid or only a fraction of the costs are received. When supervisas were limited to a 6 month stay most did not view their visit as a permanent move to Canada and at that time our HC system was in better shape and our average population was younger.
Canadians also see their grandparents too but a visit of for example 6 months versus 5 years is significantly different. Nobody is saying that seeing a grandparent is a negative thing but whether grandparents can move to Canada is very different. Immigration is not for everyone. Most countries with medicare do not allow parent and grandparent sponsorship with access to public healthcare or visits for 5-7 years. Canada didn’t allow parent sponsorship for a long time or quotas were very small numbers. Canada doesn’t have a surplus of healthcare resources. Very tough to say to millions who are working and paying taxes or who have worked for decades and paid taxes (many who are immigrants) that they have the same access to healthcare as someone who arrived in Canada in their 60s-80s. Millions are without GPs and waiting months to years for appointments and surgeries so adding more seniors to the situation only makes it worse not better. Ask anyone who works in healthcare if they think the system can absorb more people in general but more seniors especially and they will hopefully give you an honest answer and it is petrifying.
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