Oh sorry I see the confusion: No I am the host trying to find answeres why my friend is not able to come to Canada visiting me on his holiday. Sorry again...
Two times refused visitor visa, why?
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You inviting and paying all expenses was a big mistake. IRCC has your letter on file so future applications will go back to the first application. So friend must increase funds for any future applications. IRCC (not people on the forum) view single people as mobile with no ties to return. For example, your friend says that he/she is coming for 3 weeks, gets TRV and then comes to Canada and decides to stay for 6 months. Your friend has no family to return to and doesn’t have enough funds past 3 weeks.
What is the estimate for the trip with airfare, insurance, food, gifts, tourist stuff? Estimate $2-3k per week so that is $9k. If friend has $12k then almost all savings on a trip. Friend wants to show that he/she will have savings left over. So estimate $20k. Another person on the forum was refused for a visa with $22k for two people and her siblings are in Canada.
We are trying to help.
I would not have friend reapply until funds are increased. This person has two refusals within the last year so another application without addressing reasons for refusal will just show IRCC desperation to come to Canada. Friend may not be “desperate” to come to Canada but IRCC will think that.
Oh I see, then by what simple criteria would he be short of? The family ties or the funds - or my letter of invitation stating that I pay?
Okay understood, thank you! Never thought that this can go so much involved. Didn't know that offering help can kill such application. But if so, why is there no mentioning on that in the GCMS notes?
What did GCMS notes say. Officer doesn’t have to mention it. Can just say that applicant doesn’t have enough funds to support own visit.
Well its multiple pages showing all checks staggered in a weird format but all to be okay and at the end the repeated text of the refusal letter...
So my two cents is that factors in your application may have made IRCC suspect you are in a relationship with this person and they may have plans to use the TRV to try to remain in Canada long term with you. Keep in mind that IRCC sees thousands of applications and there are certain things that they are probably on the lookout for, whether that's fair or unfair. Things that could have made them suspect this in your application are factors like your travel photos together, your willingness to fund the full trip, single status, etc. I'm not sure it makes sense to apply again unless there is a significant change in the applicant's circumstances. Again, just my two cents.
Was reading through all the posts and agree that it appears that you may be in a relationship and IRCC also will likely assume you are in a relationship. There are so many applicants that apply to visit their friend in Canada which is in fact their bf or gf. Unless you have significant savings it is pretty rare as a young person to be able to gift an expensive vacation to a friend. It makes more sense if you are in a relationship. Unfortunately if you are in a relationship there would also be concerns that your partner would want to remain in Canada to be with you so being in a relationship doesn’t actually help the situation.
That makes sense, thank you. In such case would you rather suggest going with a conjugal sponsorship, where the couple can only be together outside of Canada and might never be able to reach the congugality status of their relationship to be able to apply? To make things complicated, legal common law status would never be achieveable due to the same-sex nature of such relationship... Is this the final perspective? Thank you again
Not sure what you mean by conjugality status. To qualify for conjugal sponsorship you have to show that there are immigration barriers preventing you from applying for common law or spousal sponsorship. Your partner has already been denied a TRV so that is the first immigration barrier. You would also have to explain why living together for a year would not be possible. How long has your relationship been going on? How much time have you spent together in person? Have you seen each other over multiple visits? Are there any other red flags when it comes to your relationship that could be concerning to IRCC?That makes sense, thank you. In such case would you rather suggest going with a conjugal sponsorship, where the couple can only be together outside of Canada and might never be able to reach the congugality status of their relationship to be able to apply? To make things complicated, legal common law status would never be achieveable due to the same-sex nature of such relationship... Is this the final perspective? Thank you again
Thank you so much, this really is helpful!
- We know each other for a little more than 4 years.
- Due to covid we could only be living together in person on two visits for a total of around 6 weeks.
- Red flag could be the age gap of 30 years between us? If so, how can this be dealt with, or how can the genuity of our relationship be proven?
Thank you in advance.
Yes such a significant age gap would certainly be a red flag. How did you meet? When did you meet in person? Assume your partner is the younger one? How old are they? Have they ever applied to work, study or immigrate to any country? Do they have a good job in the Philippines? Have you been supporting him financially? If so for how long? Do you have other differences like differences in religions, major differences in level of education, etc. Does your partner have any family in Canada or other close family members who have immigrated or are working outside the Philippines? Are you still working?
We met through a Philippino friend who I knew for a long time. Due to the covid travel restrictions we met in person first time in July 2022, followed by another visit same year in December. Yes my partner is 30 years old. As far as I know, he or anyone of his large family have never applied to any visa in any country. Except for travelling in other Asian countries which is visa free for them. He has a good job in the Philippines and also provided a letter from his employer endorsing for tourist travel. I know little about the rest of his family, they all live in different parts of the county. Yes, I have been supporting him for the last year. Differences? We both have university degrees in different fields. Level of education thus is comparable. He has no relatives in Canada. Yes, I am also still working.