Company closed - reference letter from ex colleague

[empower]

My company closed and no one is responding. 1 ex colleague has agreed to sign my reference letter which i would create in plain paper and send her.

My questions are:
1. Should I include my salary in reference letter considering that salary is usually kept confidential in companies? IRCC might think I am revealing my salary to my colleague.
2. What other proof should I submit from my colleague to make sure my reference letter gets accepted? This is my primary noc 1 year mandatory experience.

 

[empower]

My company closed and no one is responding. 1 ex colleague has agreed to sign my reference letter which i would create in plain paper and send her.

My questions are:
1. Should I include my salary in reference letter considering that salary is usually kept confidential in companies? IRCC might think I am revealing my salary to my colleague.
2. What other proof should I submit from my colleague to make sure my reference letter gets accepted? This is my primary noc 1 year mandatory experience.

Please reply

 

[Lord_Tony]

It has to be a colleague who was a boss or someone who you worked for, Also just signing won't suffice it has to be notarized, just get only the roles and responsibilities signed by him.
The salary and other details of-course a colleague can't notarize, please submit other documents like your offer/increment letters, Paystubs etc... and tax summary as proofs

 

[empower]

It has to be a colleague who was a boss or someone who you worked for, Also just signing won't suffice it has to be notarized, just get only the roles and responsibilities signed by him.
The salary and other details of-course a colleague can't notarize, please submit other documents like your offer/increment letters, Paystubs etc... and tax summary as proofs

My colleague is in a country where notarization is not possible. Can I get it signed from her, then notarize it from my place in India? Will IRCC accept it - seeing the location of the notary is actually my location, not my colleague's location (IRCC can check colleague's location through linkedin).

 

[Lord_Tony]

She will have to do the equivalent of notarization, e.g. in Australia for example it is called as declaration made in front a justice of peace or Police officer. Research and do that equivalent step relevant to the country that colleague stays.
I feel you are over engineering thinking about the LinkedIn checks . Notary in your home country signing a declaration by someone abroad is illegal. If a Notary is willing to do that for you they are crossing the line of legality.
My suggestion is to please do only the activities that are allowed within the ambit of law. In an ideal world the person making the declaration will have to be present, sign in front of the notary before the notary signs. Also the notary will ask for the ID proof of person signing before notarizing the declaration etc..

 

[empower]

She will have to do the equivalent of notarization, e.g. in Australia for example it is called as declaration made in front a justice of peace or Police officer. Research and do that equivalent step relevant to the country that colleague stays.
I feel you are over engineering thinking about the LinkedIn checks . Notary in your home country signing a declaration by someone abroad is illegal. If a Notary is willing to do that for you they are crossing the line of legality.
My suggestion is to please do only the activities that are allowed within the ambit of law. In an ideal world the person making the declaration will have to be present, sign in front of the notary before the notary signs. Also the notary will ask for the ID proof of person signing before notarizing the declaration etc..

1. Thanks. My colleague is in Saudi Arabia and there is no concept of notarization here. Is it okay if i submit the reference letter without notarization. Does it work?

2. I will submit bank statements too. Can i print the bank statements from online or do i have to get it from bank, stamped and signed by branch manager to support my work experience?

 

[Lord_Tony]

See if it is PNP nomination application to a state it is worth risking with your handwritten own letter, IRCC PR application you better not mess with them, just giving a LOE has worked for some if you read the forums and also hasn't worked so we can't predict how your VO will behave. On your colleague in RSA there are Notaries who come on Zoom calls from abroad and certify, please check and do one of those or if you don't have an ITA yet why don't you wait for her to return home for vacation and do it then.
On proof of pay - Paystubs, Tax summary and bank statement should suffice. The signing of bank manager is for the proof of funds not for the proof of employment

 

[moscatojuices]

Sigh.... some of the advice here *face palm*

When IRCC looks at each element of your application, they don't look at just a reference letter per se, they look at the totality of the evidence you provide and how credible it is.

Everyone understands that companies close, people move on and your old bosses never email you back because they hate you (I know because I've tried).

So if you were to put together a bank of evidence in this case that credible SHOWED:

• You and your colleague worked together
• Both your salary slips, contracts and pension payments that prove your company paid you
• Evidence like content, reports, and business cards, for each of you
• Photos where you were badges together at a function
• An explanation of why you're providing alternative documents in lieu of a standard letter

You'll be fine. I ran into exactly your scenario, and I got a letter signed by my colleague who wasn't my manager. We showed photocopies of the magazine we wrote for with our names together, and also her British citizenship certificate and marriage certificate to prove her maiden name and married name, and we linked everything together and how we knew each other, and photos of us at functions together. I wasn't even asked for any additional info because I provided so much detail.

It's the totality of evidence you provide, not just a letter for a letter's sake. Also nobody at IRCC gives 2 shits about your salary. Maybe they'll be jealous if you earn a lot more than them, but that's fine. You don't even have to provide your salary if your contract stipulates that.

Don't bother with a notary. What does that even mean, honestly? All a notary's role is to swear that they saw you sign something, a notary DOES NOT verify the authenticity of the contents of your letter. You must create a credible story. You're welcome.

 

[empower]

Sigh.... some of the advice here *face palm*

When IRCC looks at each element of your application, they don't look at just a reference letter per se, they look at the totality of the evidence you provide and how credible it is.

Everyone understands that companies close, people move on and your old bosses never email you back because they hate you (I know because I've tried).

So if you were to put together a bank of evidence in this case that credible SHOWED:

• You and your colleague worked together
• Both your salary slips, contracts and pension payments that prove your company paid you
• Evidence like content, reports, and business cards, for each of you
• Photos where you were badges together at a function
• An explanation of why you're providing alternative documents in lieu of a standard letter

You'll be fine. I ran into exactly your scenario, and I got a letter signed by my colleague who wasn't my manager. We showed photocopies of the magazine we wrote for with our names together, and also her British citizenship certificate and marriage certificate to prove her maiden name and married name, and we linked everything together and how we knew each other, and photos of us at functions together. I wasn't even asked for any additional info because I provided so much detail.

It's the totality of evidence you provide, not just a letter for a letter's sake. Also nobody at IRCC gives 2 shits about your salary. Maybe they'll be jealous if you earn a lot more than them, but that's fine. You don't even have to provide your salary if your contract stipulates that.

Don't bother with a notary. What does that even mean, honestly? All a notary's role is to swear that they saw you sign something, a notary DOES NOT verify the authenticity of the contents of your letter. You must create a credible story. You're welcome.

Thank you very much for your response, its making things clear. I and my ex-colleague dont have anything together to show. Its just that she has her ID card and I have my ID card from that company, not even business card. I do have my other documents like contract, offer letter, experience letter, etc. Will these be enough?
What exactly should I write to the officer to explain my situation?

 

[moscatojuices]

Thank you very much for your response, its making things clear. I and my ex-colleague dont have anything together to show. Its just that she has her ID card and I have my ID card from that company, not even business card. I do have my other documents like contract, offer letter, experience letter, etc. Will these be enough?
What exactly should I write to the officer to explain my situation?

Remember a reference letter is not signed by you.

You'll need to apply some critical thinking skills here and work out with your ex-colleague what he/she can say that credibly verifies and attests that you worked at the same company and performed the tasks under that NOC.

 

[vkamath]

My company closed and no one is responding. 1 ex colleague has agreed to sign my reference letter which i would create in plain paper and send her.

My questions are:
1. Should I include my salary in reference letter considering that salary is usually kept confidential in companies? IRCC might think I am revealing my salary to my colleague.
2. What other proof should I submit from my colleague to make sure my reference letter gets accepted? This is my primary noc 1 year mandatory experience.

Keep it simple. if the company is closed, gather proof that the company is closed. Try to reach your manager and get a letter from him. Also have some proof that the person signing was your manager like his ID card copy or something showing that he was a manager Have all your payslips, Relieving certificate and other documents from the ex-company and prepare a good LOE stating the facts. It is Ok not to have a Letter from your ex-firm but be honest about it and provide a strong LOE with as much proof as possible. Your ex-colleague will not work.

The main purpose of the Letter of Reference is to check the points you claimed for in your work exp match the NOC code.

 

[empower]

Remember a reference letter is not signed by you.

You'll need to apply some critical thinking skills here and work out with your ex-colleague what he/she can say that credibly verifies and attests that you worked at the same company and performed the tasks under that NOC.

Does my ex-colleague need to mention in reference letter that she worked with me?

 

[empower]

Keep it simple. if the company is closed, gather proof that the company is closed. Try to reach your manager and get a letter from him. Also have some proof that the person signing was your manager like his ID card copy or something showing that he was a manager Have all your payslips, Relieving certificate and other documents from the ex-company and prepare a good LOE stating the facts. It is Ok not to have a Letter from your ex-firm but be honest about it and provide a strong LOE with as much proof as possible. Your ex-colleague will not work.

The main purpose of the Letter of Reference is to check the points you claimed for in your work exp match the NOC code.

Ex-colleague wont work? Manager is not responding. What to do now?

 

[moscatojuices]

Keep it simple. if the company is closed, gather proof that the company is closed. Try to reach your manager and get a letter from him. Also have some proof that the person signing was your manager like his ID card copy or something showing that he was a manager Have all your payslips, Relieving certificate and other documents from the ex-company and prepare a good LOE stating the facts. It is Ok not to have a Letter from your ex-firm but be honest about it and provide a strong LOE with as much proof as possible. Your ex-colleague will not work.

The main purpose of the Letter of Reference is to check the points you claimed for in your work exp match the NOC code.

Did you read any of the preceding posts........?

Does my ex-colleague need to mention in reference letter that she worked with me?

Suggest ignoring the other guy as he clearly hasn't been in this situation or bothered to read that I managed to circumvent this issue. Yes - apply your critical thinking skills here. You would say something in the lines that she is providing this reference letter in lieu of the company's closure and your manager(s) being unavailable. She then needs to credibly establish that you worked together at the same company and she saw you perform the tasks you claim you did consistent with your NOC.

ChatGPT is your friend.

 

[empower]

Did you read any of the preceding posts........?



Suggest ignoring the other guy as he clearly hasn't been in this situation or bothered to read that I managed to circumvent this issue. Yes - apply your critical thinking skills here. You would say something in the lines that she is providing this reference letter in lieu of the company's closure and your manager(s) being unavailable. She then needs to credibly establish that you worked together at the same company and she saw you perform the tasks you claim you did consistent with your NOC.

ChatGPT is your friend.

Thank you so much! I really need advice on my first job as well for which i m claiming points to make it 3 years.
I worked in a small school for 6 months, salary was paid in cash, I wasn't given any offer letter, I had gone with my resume and they took me in. It was my first job and I had no clue. I only have experience letter from them, no other proof. They are not ready to give me reference letter saying it was 7 years ago. What should i do now? I need to include this job in my work experience because only then I get points for 3 years. Please help